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You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores.
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Discuss.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Icelander]
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read thoreau.


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Icelander]
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I think to many people are under the impression that they HAVE to do this their whole life. Some people may never realize there are plenty of alternatives. However, some people really enjoy their work and they wouldn't trade it for anything.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Icelander]
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So adopting an attitude of enjoying work and chores is the key to happiness.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: DieCommie]
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I've spent the last 2 weeks doing nothing but relaxing.


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Icelander]
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Work is nothing but creating value of some sort that you can trade for whatever you need to live.

The problem is when you assume that you have to do something unpleasant to create value. 

Most people cannot think of a way to create value other than to sell their time at a low price to someone who is more creative and ambitious than they are. 

In North America people customarily sell half their waking time to someone else, five days a week.  Typically no consideration is given to how much value they are actually providing with their work, only with how much compensation they can receive in the 8 hours they've decided to surrender to someone else.

Normally they find absolutely nothing gratifying about producing the kind of value their company sells (insurance, magazines, industrial piping, whatever) so their huge time investment at work provides very little back to them in the way of quality of life, other than their paycheck.

This is the typical arrangement but creative people can find better ways to support themselves than to surrender half their lives to something they dread.


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

:heartpump:

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Taco Chef]
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novumorganum said:
read thoreau.


and Blake.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
Work is nothing but creating value of some sort that you can trade for whatever you need to live.

The problem is when you assume that you have to do something unpleasant to create value. 

Most people cannot think of a way to create value other than to sell their time at a low price to someone who is more creative and ambitious than they are. 

In North America people customarily sell half their waking time to someone else, five days a week.  Typically no consideration is given to how much value they are actually providing with their work, only with how much compensation they can receive in the 8 hours they've decided to surrender to someone else.

Normally they find absolutely nothing gratifying about producing the kind of value their company sells (insurance, magazines, industrial piping, whatever) so their huge time investment at work provides very little back to them in the way of quality of life, other than their paycheck.

This is the typical arrangement but creative people can find better ways to support themselves than to surrender half their lives to something they dread.

:thumbup: Hell yes


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
novumorganum said:
read thoreau.


and Blake.


And Edgar Rice Burroughs.


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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With that being said.  You better make sure the work you do is something you are being passionate about, and love with all your mind, body, and soul.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: ShR0omZz]
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That's why I spend very little time doing chores. Most beautiful homes are inhabited by ugly and/or sick souls.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: iamconfused]
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iamconfused said:
That's why I spend very little time doing chores. Most beautiful homes are inhabited by ugly and/or sick souls.


i dont know where to begin with that


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: learningtofly]
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Quote:
i dont know where to begin with that


By saying I'm right? Really, though, I don't know, I just like to say controversial statements because I don't know the point of other kinds of statements. At least controversy makes you question.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
Mark Twain in 'The Adventures of Tom Sawyer' wrote:

If he had been a great and wise philosopher, like the writer of this book, he would now have comprehended that Work consists of whatever a body is obliged to do, and that Play consists of whatever a body is not obliged to do.



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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
...creative people can find better ways to support themselves than to surrender half their lives to something they dread.


I'm nothing if not creative, but the greatest drag on my life is that I haven't found a way to happily make a living...  I think I must be flawed.  Discuss.


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: Lion]
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Lion said:
WhiskeyClone said:
Work is nothing but creating value of some sort that you can trade for whatever you need to live.

The problem is when you assume that you have to do something unpleasant to create value. 

Most people cannot think of a way to create value other than to sell their time at a low price to someone who is more creative and ambitious than they are. 

In North America people customarily sell half their waking time to someone else, five days a week.  Typically no consideration is given to how much value they are actually providing with their work, only with how much compensation they can receive in the 8 hours they've decided to surrender to someone else.

Normally they find absolutely nothing gratifying about producing the kind of value their company sells (insurance, magazines, industrial piping, whatever) so their huge time investment at work provides very little back to them in the way of quality of life, other than their paycheck.

This is the typical arrangement but creative people can find better ways to support themselves than to surrender half their lives to something they dread.

:thumbup: Hell yes


Creativity FTW. I havent had a "job" in over a year.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: sterbeklang]
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Being creative and marketing a product are two very different skill sets.  Some can do both, most can't. Find someone cool that is good at selling your creativity, forget about it and start producing. :bigblunt:

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: C.M. Mann]
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C.M. Mann said:
Being creative and marketing a product are two very different skill sets.  Some can do both, most can't. Find someone cool that is good at selling your creativity, forget about it and start producing. :bigblunt:


Good advice.  I think I need a literary agent who can get me a six-figure advance (hah! on the first book?  well, maybeee).  But the production aspect is the most important part, as far as the foundation of the work goes.  If you've made nothing in the first place, then you have nothing with which to display your talents when the marketeer tries to sell you.


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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: sterbeklang]
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some people really like work.  For some reason or another work keeps them satisfied.  My friend's dad is like that.  You give him some work and he is happy.

I read somewhere that prehistoric man only spent about 3 hours a day to keep himself fed and sheltered.  I don't have a source for this claim.

Work keeps you preoccupied, so you don't have to think about anything.


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Let that which doesn't matter truly not matter.

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Re: You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores. [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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"You're most likely going to spend most of your waking life at work or doing chores."

Speak for yourself.

My answer to creativity, is being frugal and living with less. Wealth is in experiences and relationships, not material things.

Working is a way to provide for oneself material things, or distract oneself from reality.

I prefer to have few things and play in reality. I hope to spend the time throughout my life in better ways than working, whenever possible.

Obviously, i want things, comfort, transportation, security and some luxury - but i think possessing smart consumption habits allows one to work less.

That said, being frugal is only one part of the equation. Being smart with your money, + making your money work for you is another..


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