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Wake Up!
    #3132698 - 09/14/04 01:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This is just a short description of my current philosophical/religious cosmology. It isn't 'true', because in trying to describe the indescribable with words, words always fall short of truth. This cosmology is what I see when I gather all the knowlege I have accumulated so far and piece it together and examine how it fits using my third eye.

It seems to me now that one vast consciousness is experiencing different realities which are coded on the different DNA programs. Consciousness is just witnessing different realities. The consciousness that I call 'me' (tha Atman) is the part of Brahma which is watching the show of 'my' DNA. Every species represents a unique show, and every individual in the species is a unique perspective on that show.

So, make it a good show for consciousness to watch because until you wake up you're never EVER going to see a different show...Just THIS life over and over again. That's the 'Determinism' part of it.

But since you don't know what the rest of your 'predetermined by DNA' life experience is going to be...YOU CAN MAKE IT ANYTHING YOU WANT! That's the 'Free Will' part of it.

The best thing you can do in this life is WAKE UP. Because when you 'wake up' in this world, you're waking life becomes 'lucid living'. When you WAKE up, or become 'enlightened' you will have total mastery of the physical world, just as you have mastery in the dream world when you lucid dream.

So...how do you wake up? Well you gotta remember who you really are. You are NOT anything in the show (not the DNA programmed mind, body, or external show). What you ARE is the CONSCIOUSNESS that is watching this mind/body that you are calling 'you' have an adventure in space time.

Dis-identify yourself from everything that can be experienced and discover your true self.

Once you do that...there is only one more hurdle until you awaken.










Now WAKE UP!


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3132738 - 09/14/04 02:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

but what if you prefer the dream world  :oogle:



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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3132758 - 09/14/04 02:10 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hm, that seems like a roundabout way to get to where most people already are.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Muppet]
    #3132769 - 09/14/04 02:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

No matter what world you're in, your always in a dream.

The difference is KNOWING you are in a dream. Then the dream of 'waking life' becomes lucid...and then there is no limit to what you can do in your life. Absoltely NO LIMIT!


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Stinky]
    #3132798 - 09/14/04 02:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Stinky said:
Hm, that seems like a roundabout way to get to where most people already are.




Who was it who said, "And at the end of all our wanderings, we will arrive at the place we began. But We Will know the place for the first time."

It isn't about 'going somewhere else'. There's no where else to go. It's about fully realizing WHERE AND WHAT YOU ARE.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3132809 - 09/14/04 02:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

my point exactly - if you 'wake up' from the dream, then you just find yourself in another reality that you assume is actually the 'real world' and the whole process starts anew

staying in the dream world after realizing it's all just a dream is k3y  :thumbup:



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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Muppet]
    #3132879 - 09/14/04 02:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the 'waking up' doesn't take you out of any dream, it only means you realize you're dreaming.

I think that's why the Buddhists say Samsara = Nirvana.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3133000 - 09/14/04 03:37 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ah to be lucid for extended periods of time without waking up - the holy grail of lucid dreaming. I have achieved such a state a few times, it was probably just one rem cycle - 15-20 minutes of dreaming, but it seems like hours or even days.

its so easy to fall back into "normal" dreaming after gaining lucidity. in fact, staying lucid is the hardest thing to do in lucid dreaming. many a night you'll realize you're dreaming only to fade back into non-lucid dreamland. many a night you'll find yourself - aware - and amazed and staggered by the possibilities, uttering to yourself "this is a dream and I am the dreamer. I control my own destiny; there is no script, no truth, no limits." then, as always happens,
the dream is gone.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3133070 - 09/14/04 04:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for posting this. I've been entertaining similiar venues of thought lately.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #3133178 - 09/14/04 06:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And then of course, the one who has attained enlightenment may fall back to sleep dreaming that he is enlightened.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3133180 - 09/14/04 06:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Source said:
This is just a short description of my current philosophical/religious cosmology. It isn't 'true', because in trying to describe the indescribable with words, words always fall short of truth. This cosmology is what I see when I gather all the knowlege I have accumulated so far and piece it together and examine how it fits using my third eye.

It seems to me now that one vast consciousness is experiencing different realities which are coded on the different DNA programs. Consciousness is just witnessing different realities. The consciousness that I call 'me' (tha Atman) is the part of Brahma which is watching the show of 'my' DNA. Every species represents a unique show, and every individual in the species is a unique perspective on that show.

So, make it a good show for consciousness to watch because until you wake up you're never EVER going to see a different show...Just THIS life over and over again. That's the 'Determinism' part of it.

But since you don't know what the rest of your 'predetermined by DNA' life experience is going to be...YOU CAN MAKE IT ANYTHING YOU WANT! That's the 'Free Will' part of it.

The best thing you can do in this life is WAKE UP. Because when you 'wake up' in this world, you're waking life becomes 'lucid living'. When you WAKE up, or become 'enlightened' you will have total mastery of the physical world, just as you have mastery in the dream world when you lucid dream.

So...how do you wake up? Well you gotta remember who you really are. You are NOT anything in the show (not the DNA programmed mind, body, or external show). What you ARE is the CONSCIOUSNESS that is watching this mind/body that you are calling 'you' have an adventure in space time.

Dis-identify yourself from everything that can be experienced and discover your true self.

Once you do that...there is only one more hurdle until you awaken.








How would aliens fit into your theory? Just out of curiousity? Are they part of "It" too? Or did they create "It?"


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: MOTH]
    #3137180 - 09/15/04 01:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I guess, in keeping with the ideas I stated, aliens would just be 'part of the show', to thicken the plot.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3138052 - 09/15/04 10:56 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Where would free will be in this theory? The way I see it is believing you have free will is the dream, realizing you don't have free will is waking up, and continuing to guide (can't think of a better word right now) your will though you know it's not free is staying in the dream after waking up.

But then I can also see someone saying, believing you do not have free will is like watching a dream, and believing you do have free will is waking up.

After writing this though I feel like I just wrote the same thing twice, instead of two opposite sides, like it doesn't really matter how you feel about free will at all. Or maybe I'm just noticing what you said about not being able to express truth through words, only kind of backwards, opposite words both being truth. This always happens when I think about philosophy, I realize that any statement is wrong, and right, kind of like how opposites create balance, yet are always in conflict. But I'm always left with a great feeling of harmony that lies between the two opposites, I guess where a lot of people see conflict I see harmony. I kind of got off topic, but does that make sense at all to anyone?


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: FrankieN]
    #3138067 - 09/15/04 11:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yes. when I think about philosophy, I "realize" that any statement is wrong, and right, kind of like how opposites create balance, yet are always in conflict. But I'm always left with a great feeling of harmony that lies between the two opposites, I guess where a lot of people see conflict I alsow see harmony. you kind of got off topic, but that make sense to me :wink:


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3140142 - 09/15/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think if a person puts enough effort in anything, they can accomplish their goals.

I have always wondered about people with certain talents, as if they were meant to do what they do.  I'm just curious if you think what we experience is already mapped out in a certain direction, to accomplish certain goals.  hehe just a thought  :grin:

with that being said your idea is really well thought out.  especially when you mentioned that we will never see a different show till we 'wake up'

that was an awesome read.  :thumbup:


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: kaiowas]
    #3140176 - 09/15/04 08:32 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Knowing the powers you posess and keeping yourself aware of your powers and your proceedings.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Droz]
    #3140198 - 09/15/04 08:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

ive had about 3 of these experiences. WOW. totally seems like hours or days. Peak experiences in my life, equal to my most amazing drug trips in wickedawesomewierdness


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: kaiowas]
    #3142145 - 09/16/04 03:02 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

kaiowas said:
I think if a person puts enough effort in anything, they can accomplish their goals.

I have always wondered about people with certain talents, as if they were meant to do what they do.  I'm just curious if you think what we experience is already mapped out in a certain direction, to accomplish certain goals.  hehe just a thought  :grin:

with that being said your idea is really well thought out.  especially when you mentioned that we will never see a different show till we 'wake up'

that was an awesome read.  :thumbup:




Thanks Kaiowas!

Yeah, I guess I'm saying according to this 'view' our future is already mapped out (determinism), but since we don't know WHAT is mapped out we can create it to be anything we want (free will).

So you first have to realize that you're not free before you can become free.

Since this is my dream, I think I'm going to work on making it a dream that Christ Consciousness returns to the earth.  :thumbup:  :laugh:


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: Source]
    #3142655 - 09/16/04 08:51 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Could you describe "Christ Consciousness" a little.


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Re: Wake Up! [Re: FrankieN]
    #3143317 - 09/16/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:hit's snooze for a few more years:

:wink:

:heart:

Thanks For posting This Source But staying awake is a really really really hard part. I can honestly say I've been awake Twice so far but both times for only a short while if fact the last time I did a count down for myself when I was going to go back to "sleep" I got a good laught but it was cool. Learn something every time.


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