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OfflineAlan Stone
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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2014856 - 10/16/03 04:01 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

It's clich?, but the only way we'll change the world is by starting with ourselves. Don't complain Coca-Cola destroyed Central American the softdrinks market, don't buy their products. Don't complain Nike exploits minors in Asia, don't buy their gear. It won't be easy, but if you take the dream further than words, you're much more credible to people around you, and they'll start thinking about their own way of life. Either act upon the dream, or don't speak the dream at all.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2014902 - 10/16/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

First off, I long ago was released from my cage, that is if it was ever really completely in a cage in the first place.. thank god for almost no parenting! (purposely, of course. I think my Dad saw it all as I have and made it the way he did on purpose..).

This is my life: I play bass guitar. I listen to heavy metal music. I think about things and converse about them. I treat life as an experience and remain open to almost all experiences. This is my life, and life is good.

Why the hell do we have to suscribe to any causes? I have my own agenda. I go about living my life as I wish. There is not ONE thing that I have to suscribe to if I don't choose to. My life is my own, and I live it.

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Next time you eat, consider how many deaths occured so you could take that bite for granted, the plants or animals in the food itself, the pollution caused by the 2600 miles it travelled to get to your plate, the labour of hundreds of people from production all the way through to consumption....

Next time you drive your car think about how we're all choking ourselves to death so you can get to the movie theatre 10 minutes faster than the bus will take you.

Or how about the next time you throw away a scrap of paper, consider that millions of hectares of ancient growth forests were decimated, only to be sent right to the pulp mill for paper production. And then think of all the beings that go extinct because they no longer have any habitat. It's 20 species a day (plants/animals) in case you're wondering.

If after you appreciate how much others have sacraficed for you you still want to smile, smoke your joint and get laid, go for it buddy. You'll get yours, karma is a bitch.





Do we have to constantly think of that shit? I don't think so. Fucking shit is going the Earth's way now. Public transporation sucks. There should be no reason why I have to get on transportation that follows someone else's time schedule. Hydrogen cars are coming. Our impact on the Earth is continously being lessened.

Sure, the Republicans are in office. However, it is becoming a standard now for both parties to pursue environmental protection. It is a general trend that we have been heading towards and it isn't something that we have to have consume our thoughts. I have a bass guitar to fucking play.

Here in Norway, most of the energy production is hydroelectric. The waterfalls in mountains are set up to produce energy. They are also experimenting with geothermal heating, like the government is..

Anyways. What am I suspossed to do? Lead protests? Donate money to fucking charities? Fuck that. All I can do is live my own life as I should. I don't fucking waste paper. The best I can do is live as low impact as possible, as long as it doesn't sacrifice my living. If guitars were only made out of fucking ivory, I think I would be playing a fucking ivory guitar right now..
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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2015003 - 10/16/03 04:46 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

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I dont wanna wake the fuck up!
Lemme fuckin sleep in!
ahh...-dreams of xrated dreams with Vida Guerra-




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Thats what im fucking talking about! :lol:

Seriously though it just sounded to me like he was implying that we should escape the cage by isolating ourselves and brake away from society and our culture. I was trying to say that if we are conftorble in our culture and society we can take action within it. We dont have to move out to the woods and live off the land and masturbate for entertainment. We can help those in need, go vote!! Run for office make a diffrence. The reason why we have children in Malaysia starving to make our products is because the people who are aware of it just want to escape reality and society. Your not helping that little boy or girl by not buying that product. The best that will do is leave the boy withouth that daily 5 cents and make him starve to death. If we are comftorble in the cage dont call us murderes because we are trying to help get those children out of there while you are staring at us from outside the cage. We can enjoy the good things the cage provide for us. We have to get involved in the system, get involved with politics. Destroy the current system from the inside and build a new one and even then the world will never be perfect. 


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Spokesman]
    #2015023 - 10/16/03 04:51 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

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If we are comftorble in the cage dont call us murderes because we are trying to help get those children out of there while you are staring at us from outside the cage. We can enjoy the good things the cage provide for us. We have to get involved in the system, get involved with politics. Destroy the current system from the inside and build a new one and even then the world will never be perfect.   




Indeed. Stopping using a product doesn't stop anything. Getting awareness of what is wrong so that the people who were hiding these things have to change it in order to stay in business is going to work.

I think I will continue playing guitar, get into a position where I can spread ideas to large amounts of people. That is how I'LL help. :grin:
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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2015077 - 10/16/03 05:04 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

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fireworks_god said:
I think I will continue playing guitar, get into a position where I can spread ideas to large amounts of people. That is how I'LL help. :grin:
Peace. 




Exactly you can get some kind of record deal and use the system to spread the word, like so many musicians that we love have done.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Spokesman]
    #2015089 - 10/16/03 05:07 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

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Spokesman said:
Exactly you can get some kind of record deal and use the system to spread the word, like so many musicians that we love have done. 




Before they all fucking die of different causes that really wouldn't have happened if fucking someone wasn't out to kill them..  :sad:
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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2015104 - 10/16/03 05:11 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

lol, but where they failed we will succeed... right?............................right???............:sad:

Maybe i'll just become a pornstar that spreads the word... :wink: 


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Spokesman]
    #2015115 - 10/16/03 05:14 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

Well, I will try.. but I know I will die early, anyways, because I will go agansit the will of some other "force" and will be killed.. thus making me a martyr, more powerful after my death than ever before...

sort of like Jesus, no? :grin:
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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2015371 - 10/16/03 06:13 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

"Or how about the next time you throw away a scrap of paper, consider that millions of hectares of ancient growth forests were decimated, only to be sent right to the pulp mill for paper production. And then think of all the beings that go extinct because they no longer have any habitat. It's 20 species a day (plants/animals) in case you're wondering. "

BIG FUCKING DEAL. As far as I can tell, we are bundles of chemicals built for the purpose of breeding. Lets say society is some kind of horrible imprisonment that "destroys us" what do you propose as an alternitive? Lets say everyone was happy and fed. Would you be satisfied? Would we be "free" from our "cages"? What does "suffering" matter? (and yes, I have emotions, and can feel/do not enjoy suffering, and thats 100% beside the point.)


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2015377 - 10/16/03 06:15 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

heh.. someone didn't get their "Cheerios" in the morning.

edit: i meant the original poster.


Edited by Keyannki (10/16/03 06:23 PM)


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Keyannki]
    #2015396 - 10/16/03 06:22 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

NiamhNyx: yes, I take those simple needs for granted.  it's real hard to say no to a juicy hamburger. "eat me eat me"

:laugh:

i do know the injustices of capitalism and governments.  look at Enron.  they pillaged every investor and will do no jail time. 

so i salute this phacked-up planet and its gregorian laws with my middle finger.

*smeep*

cuz i'm about to break some.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Keyannki]
    #2015414 - 10/16/03 06:29 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

"If after you appreciate how much others have sacraficed for you you still want to smile, smoke your joint and get laid, go for it buddy. You'll get yours, karma is a bitch. "

I really should have quoted this...

So what do you suggest? since so many other people and animals are suffering, he does not have a right to be happy?!?!  :lol: 

That its "wrong" to be satisfied with what you have and live for yourself?

Well, the only thing more rediculous than your morals is your thought of Karmic law, that the "evil" people will experience suffering proportionate to the amount that they have caused...  :shake:

Does the same hold true for animals? if a lion eats a mother of three, and the three offspring then starve to death , does the lion suffer for the horrible act of murder it commited?

And what horrible crime against The laws of Karma have the many  orphans with AIDS in Africa commited? Perhaps they were lions in thier past lives? :grin: 


EDIT:
"so i salute this phacked-up planet and its gregorian laws with my middle finger.

cuz i'm about to break some."

that quote kicks ass!!! Hmm, now im semi sorry for the overley agressive post above...


Edited by domite (10/16/03 06:31 PM)


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: domite]
    #2015485 - 10/16/03 06:46 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

Actually one of the guys at Enron will do 7 years. Just goes to show you how the system works though. That guy is responsible for many families going bankrupt and he stole millions of dollars, he gets 7 years. I have people doing 30+ years for selling just acouple thousands worth of cocaine. The goverment got paid out of Enrons crimes so they get less time, the coke dealer who wants to feed his family in a fucked up economy will miss his children growing up. And the cycle continues.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2015577 - 10/16/03 07:20 PM (18 years, 16 days ago)

I chase those pipe dreams because i want to live a comfortable life. I want to be safe and healthy when i grow old. What is wrong with that?

There is no conspiracy. You want freedom? move to a third world country.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2015681 - 10/16/03 07:50 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Spread the good vibes and touch peoples insides
thats all it takes, and maybe make some pf cakes
mushrooms are my tool and if u dont see why then your a fool
stop trying to be cool and find yourself a tool
whether that be music, or thought
just know what the life you have has brought


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: whole9]
    #2015847 - 10/16/03 08:34 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Touche`
I'm so keeping that...


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2018365 - 10/17/03 05:51 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

rid yourself of non essentials, the internet is probably the most fortifying peice of your cage, as the good rasta said, "emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"
forget about cable, all it does is dissapoint anyway, it is shallow and meaningless entertainment. in fact, why pay for entertainment?
it takes away your ability to be yourself, emersing yourself in distraction, you become separated from your mind, it gets away from you, creativity becomes hard and unfammiliar, drugs for example, why do you do them? im not saying its wrong to do them, but perhaps they ought not be done for the enjoyment of distraction.
advertizement excersizes our ability to covet. as does possesion, for it is not forever, same with an altered state of conciousness, it is fleeting.
desire is not a means to fulfillment, it is the polar opposite.


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2018431 - 10/17/03 06:33 PM (18 years, 15 days ago)

Hey cable has some good shows, Sure sometimes they cancel brilliant shows like Family Guy but we still have The Simpsons and re-runs of Seinfield...........


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2018623 - 10/17/03 08:07 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

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rid yourself of non essentials, the internet is probably the most fortifying peice of your cage, as the good rasta said, "emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"
forget about cable, all it does is dissapoint anyway, it is shallow and meaningless entertainment. in fact, why pay for entertainment?
it takes away your ability to be yourself, emersing yourself in distraction, you become separated from your mind, it gets away from you, creativity becomes hard and unfammiliar, drugs for example, why do you do them? im not saying its wrong to do them, but perhaps they ought not be done for the enjoyment of distraction.
advertizement excersizes our ability to covet. as does possesion, for it is not forever, same with an altered state of conciousness, it is fleeting.
desire is not a means to fulfillment, it is the polar opposite.




rid myself of non-essentials? allright, right after you get yourself off the internet and stop telling people what to think. by the way, you lose credibility when you arent representative of what you speak.

why not pay for entertainment, and since when does entertainment take away from who you are? so many forms of entertainment have been inspirational to so many people. how does entertainment distract and seperate you from your mind? you sound like tipper gore and the rest of those fucks that push censorship of media and scream about entertainment causing violence. who doesnt enjoy distraction from their everyday lives every once in a while, and whats wrong with that? granted, some people push it to a limit, but fuck you for assuming everyones like that. stop being so fucking cynical and stop believing you've got it all figured out, i assure you, you dont and neither do i.

i see nothing profound in what you've said. you think theres no way to live within this society in a productive way? shut the fuck up and live what you speak before criticizing other people. not everyone is compelled by society to do its bidding as you seem to think.

thanks for entertaining me, fascist.

to those telling people to free themselves of society by walking into the woods and making it their home, good fucking luck. unless you're well prepared i dont see you making it long. plus what difference can you make in this society if you just run off into the woods and hide from it? make a fucking stand and bend norms but dont break them, adhere but stray from the path, remain a part of this society in body but not in spirit. this is where you will truly make a change. the system we all are a part of is passed on to those with power, support and influence. to achieve these things requires a few things: rational thinking, rhetoric, perseverance, charisma, and money. it is unfortunate that this society works this way, but unless you plan on changing the mind of some of the conservatives in this country (ignorant people are usually conservative but not all conservatives are ignorant) its probably the most effective way of making changes. if the 'make a change in yourself and the rest of the world will follow' method worked best, things would be different now. im not saying that this isnt at all effective or that you shouldnt bother, instead, in addition to making a change in yourself there are other things that will accelerate these changes. remain a part of society, be creative and find a way to make changes from within. this society is not saying 'follow or leave' with its norms, but rather 'follow or work fucking hard.' perhaps im being optimistic, but this post needs optimism right now. if all of us ran into the woods and lived off the earth it would make no difference and we'd be the ones losing our homes to deforestation. "stay in school, learn the system, then change the system"


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Re: wake the FUCK up! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2018734 - 10/17/03 08:47 PM (18 years, 14 days ago)

You are right!

But you are also full of shit!


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