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OfflineMalachi
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white privilege: yay or nay?
    #1776654 - 08/03/03 10:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

white privilege

I think everyone knows how I vote.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1776863 - 08/04/03 12:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Of course. I can't imagine anyone, no matter how conservative, who would not acknowledge that white privilege exists - at least in this country.

/e waits for those who will, of course, prove him wrong.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1776893 - 08/04/03 12:12 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

you'd be surprised, then, cause many people seem to think that affirmative action is a gravy train.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777091 - 08/04/03 01:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

so everyone who believes that a white privilege exists also must believe that affirmative action is the right way to deal with it?


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777173 - 08/04/03 02:08 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I stopped reading here:

"I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another woman's voice in a group in which she is the only member of her race."

I don't even understand what that means..


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1777187 - 08/04/03 02:16 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Doctor J is a priveledged motherfucker

but I help the less fortunate whenever I can. What else am I supposed to do? Feel guilty?


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1777205 - 08/04/03 02:29 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

well, you're supposed to be more aware of it. hopefully that doesn't mean you'll be burdened with the guilt, but a little wouldn't hurt.

the biggest criticism of AA is the denial of white privilege- privilege that whites get regardless of their gender, income class, education level, religon, creed, etc.

if this can be agreed on, it seems silly not to fund efforts to reduce the inequity, i.e. AA or something in that line of thought- after all, our gov't funds such common needs as airlines, farmers, poor multinational corporations, etc....


personally, I just want my land back.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1777218 - 08/04/03 02:35 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"White privilege" is a little misleading. I think it has more to do with education and culture. Growing up in ghettos or trailer parks can definitely impede mental growth (artists are exceptions... as oppression can breed new memes). Growing up with two supportive parents and not having to worry about anything besides school and socializing... yeah, this is bound to be easier.

Calling the phenomenon "white privilege" is just as inflammatory as the phrase's cultural innuendo.

Stereotypes are just another form of dogma.

I don't discriminate against people based on skin color, gender, or religion... UNLESS they do so against me. I was called a cracker many times in middle school (desegragation laws actually bussed all the middle-class kids - white, black, hispanics, asian - to a ghetto with a primarily black population) by black and hispanic kids, but I NEVER called them spics or niggers. I knew the problem had nothing to do with skin color and EVERYTHING to do with culture and finances. Hell, there were black suburban kids who rode my bus and got into just as many fights with the ghetto kids as I did.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1777240 - 08/04/03 02:45 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

1/64th of me wants my land back, too.

Welcome to the melting pot.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Sclorch]
    #1777296 - 08/04/03 03:30 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"Welcome to the melting pot."

eeww, what a stickey mess!


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777323 - 08/04/03 03:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Why in the world should I feel even a little guilty because of circumstances that are beyond my control? 

AA is only perpetuating the racial divide.  It simply another form of discrimination.  With it, I am being penalized because I am white.  I have seen on the news, local black leaders calling for the support of their "own."  What would happen if a white man did that? 

So it seems, we must supress one group in order for the other to catch up. :nonono:

Each sucessive generation, with their MTV indoctrination teaching tolerance and diversity, they become more and more acceptive.  I believe AA is actually counter-productive, and person saying this will lead to more tolerance, is failing to see the long term picture.

What's weird about it is it seems that only the black leaders have issues.  How many black people have ever said they felt shafted by not having viscous storms named after them?  :rolleyes:  They seem to want to keep the issues alive just so they will have something to talk about.
 


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777565 - 08/04/03 08:37 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Malachi said:
you'd be surprised, then, cause many people seem to think that affirmative action is a gravy train.



So, giving someone a job or a slot in school that they're unqualified for isn't a gravy train?

Treating a group as if they're too stupid to succeed on their own is foolish.

Not to mention the angry backlash from those who would have made it had it not be for some unqualified charity case getting the spot.

Race shouldn't even be allowed on applications.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1777582 - 08/04/03 09:01 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Where I live it is 10% white, 90% black.  It is kind of interesting to be on the other side for a change, though to be honest I only notice something every now and then.  People can be racist regardless of their color.  :smile:

The most interesting incendent was when I was standing in line at subway for lunch.  I was next in line until a couple walked into the store and cut in front of me.  I gave the polite, 'excuse me, but the line starts back there', but was ignored.  After repeating myself a few times, the guy looks at me and says, 'I dont see you... you are too clear'...  The lady behind the counter ignored the couple and took my order next.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777672 - 08/04/03 10:27 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

when was it your land and what gives the right to take it from someone they same way it was taken from others? how do you have any more of a right to it than they do?


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1777765 - 08/04/03 11:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Where I live there doesn't seem to be much of a privilege for anyone.

I can assure you that the university I went to, along with MOST universities in Ontario, has white males in the MINORITY.

Your country is messed up, though.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1778029 - 08/04/03 01:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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So, giving someone a job or a slot in school that they're unqualified for isn't a gravy train?



I don't think they would be completely unqualified. They give special preference to applicants of certain races, but they also have to have certain qualifications. An uneducated black guy from the ghetto can't just go to a school and automatically get a job. That's the problem with affirmative action: it doesn't really let poor minority groups get ahead. It just lets middle and upper-class minorities get special treatment over middle and upper-class white people.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: dawn of a new day]
    #1778034 - 08/04/03 01:37 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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dawn of a new day said:
when was it your land and what gives the right to take it from someone they same way it was taken from others? how do you have any more of a right to it than they do?




rule of law. america is illegally occupying my land.




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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: Malachi]
    #1778048 - 08/04/03 01:41 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

literally the government is using your land? if so, i'm sorry man, that really blows. it's a shame that they can just do that to their citizens.


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: silversoul7]
    #1778052 - 08/04/03 01:44 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
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That's the problem with affirmative action: it doesn't really let poor minority groups get ahead. It just lets middle and upper-class minorities get special treatment over middle and upper-class white people.




you're missing the point. minority groups, regardless of their income, are hindered from achieving what they could because of their race. they don't have the privileges of whites. so the treatment middle class minorities get is an attempt to make their treatment closer to the special treatment whites have always enjoyed in this country.

seriously, if you think that AA is so simple an issue, and the arguments supporting it don't matter, you're an uncultured yokel. lds -- do you have any friends who aren't white? do you enjoy telling them you want to suppress their people? are there black people out there with you in the ozarks?


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Re: white privilege: yay or nay? [Re: dawn of a new day]
    #1778056 - 08/04/03 01:45 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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dawn of a new day said:
literally the government is using your land? if so, i'm sorry man, that really blows. it's a shame that they can just do that to their citizens.




yeah, I don't like it either.


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