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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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Zanthius said:
for the greater good of the universe.


But not to your benefit, right?


Whatever benefits one may not necessarily benefit another, to claim otherwise would be wrong.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
But not to your benefit, right?



It would benefit me also. Whatever benefits the society also benefits me, and if I was a malevolent creature only spreading malevolence to my sorroudings, my death would also be my own benefit.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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People who think like you will make perfect cogs in the next totalitarian regime's machinery!


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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Zanthius said:
...if I was a malevolent creature only spreading malevolence to my sorroudings, my death would also be my own benefit.


How so? :confused:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
People who think like you will make perfect cogs in the next totalitarian regime's machinery!


Totally. :sadyes:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Since you are an individual and not society, thinking in such a perspective is all you'll ever be able to do.


I wouldn't necessarily agree that I am an individual, and not society. Certainly the data imprinted in my neural net comes from society, and if I identify with this data as being "me", then I am society.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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:dudewtf:

So if you die, society dies, too?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
So if you die, society dies, too?


If the entire knowledge-base of our society only existed in my neural net, then society would die with me. Fortunately the knowledge-base of our society is also stored in other neural nets, books, and harddrives.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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Well, duh! The fact remains that you are an individual, and to assert that you are a colony of individuals (i.e.- a society) would be ridiculous.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Well, duh! The fact remains that you are an individual, and to assert that you are a colony of individuals (i.e.- a society) would be ridiculous.


To assert that the protocol you are using to generate thoughts in your mind is your own would be ridiculous, when you have assimilated every word you know from society. Rather it is society that is thinking through your neural net.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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then I think I should be eliminated for the greater good of the universe.

I concur:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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Zanthius said:
Poid said:
Well, duh! The fact remains that you are an individual, and to assert that you are a colony of individuals (i.e.- a society) would be ridiculous.


To assert that the protocol you are using to generate thoughts in your mind is your own would be ridiculous, when you have assimilated every word you know from society. Rather it is society that is thinking through your neural net.



:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Well, duh! The fact remains that you are an individual, and to assert that you are a colony of individuals (i.e.- a society) would be ridiculous.


Yep.  It's absolutely illogical to argue that whatever benefits society necessarily benefits the individual.


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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
Yep.  It's absolutely illogical to argue that whatever benefits society necessarily benefits the individual.


Illogical? According to what axioms? I rather think it is related to how large your perspective is, and the more data you have assimilated from society, the larger your perspective is. It is a huge difference between a neural net that has only assimilated 1 gigabyte of data from society, and a neural net that has assimilated 1 terabyte of data from society. I don't know exactly how much data you must have assimilated from society in order to identify with it, but I think it is a rather large amount of data.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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You're a HUGE genius!:whoa:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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I don't care how much data you've assimilated from society.  The fact remains that you are an individual with your own individual pains and pleasures, and whatever benefits the majority of individuals (namely, society) will not necessarily benefit you.


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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
I don't care how much data you've assimilated from society.



I think it is highly relevant, because the more data your neural net has assimilated from society, the more society dominates you compared to your genes and instincts.

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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: deCypher]
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Drug prohibition benefits everyone! :cheer:


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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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There's a difference between society influencing you and society being equivalent to you.


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Re: Overcoming fear and turning to LOVE? [Re: Zanthius]
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Zanthius said:
Poid said:
Well, duh! The fact remains that you are an individual, and to assert that you are a colony of individuals (i.e.- a society) would be ridiculous.


To assert that the protocol you are using to generate thoughts in your mind is your own would be ridiculous, when you have assimilated every word you know from society. Rather it is society that is thinking through your neural net.


Well then, for the sake of argument, say I was born in the wild and have never come in contact with any societies; would that, in your opinion, make me an individual?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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