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Am I racist?
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Lately I have been having some problems that have been pointed out by a friend of mine...

When a black person comes into where I work I always watch them closely and 90% of the time they mess up shit or steal it. I always end up telling them to get out. This is NOT in the ghetto BTW. When they are at my neighborhood pool I avoid it. I can hear them a mile away always so loud and drastic. If a random black people is in my neighborhood I watch them, closely. If they visit my house I always check my belongings when they leave. I never walk close to black people (I was robbed by one at my school like 5 years ago) so they look at me funny when I obviously avoid them, shouting as screaming as they usually do.

Most the black people I know, even my best friend are not fond of white people at all and that seem to be socially acceptable because of the whole slavery thing so I cannot see why my actions are not socially acceptable because I have already been robbed with a weapon by them and have been treating like shit by them.

I just can't get over my non-trusting ways of black people. Yet the friend who noticed it IS BLACK and he is a very good friend. Am I racist? Or do I just avoid moronic acting people? It's hard to tell because they are almost always black. Or maybe more black people just act moronic but its not because they are black.

I have been called racist many times and it's pissing me off because I take precautions not to get robbed/killed by a more likely individual I called a racist? I mean I am just trying to cover my own ass for all these things that is more likely to happen with a black individual and that is not based on ANYTHING except my OWN experience...should I just take the chance to get fucked up again by them so I can stop being called racist? I love my friend he is awesome and doesn't act like 'his kind', I avoid hanigng out with his friends who are black as well, it gets a LOT of cops attention which I know isn't their fault but whats the difference in cops watching them close and me watching them close in my store?

What exactly am I hating?

Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 05:57 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Lately I have been having some problems that have been pointed out by a friend of mine...

When a black person comes into where I work I always watch them closely and 90% of the time they mess up shit or steal it. I always end up telling them to get out. This is NOT in the ghetto BTW. When they are at my neighborhood pool I avoid it. I can hear them a mile away always so loud and drastic. If a random black people is in my neighborhood I watch them, closely. If they visit my house I always check my belongings when they leave. I never walk close to black people (I was robbed by one at my school like 5 years ago) so they look at me funny when I obviously avoid them, shouting as screaming as they usually do.

I just can't get over my non-trusting ways of black people. Yet the friend who noticed it IS BLACK and he is a very good friend. Am I racist? Or do I just avoid moronic acting people? It's hard to tell because they are almost always black. Or maybe more black people just act moronic but its not because they are black.

I have been called racist many times and it's pissing me off




Of course you are racist, take a hint man!

You dont need to take the test, I'll tell you right now you have strong negative bias towards black people.

Guess what, most black people in the US do too. Its cultural conditioning.

When you see a black person, you think bad thoughts. Thoughts of being unsafe, thoughts of being victimized, thoughts that they probably will suck because of the visual cue you get - them being black.

I took the test and I'm one of the rare few who has strong positive bias towards black people. Why? Because throughout my life starting at kindergarten, the black people in my life have actually been mostly really nice people.

If a mod comes and flashes you and me a picture of an average-looking black guy, you will be predisposed to not liking him and me predisposed towards liking him in the split second before we start actively thinking - it is the way life conditioned us.

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I love my friend he is awesome and doesn't act like 'his kind'



Jesus fucking Christ man what are you saying :facepalm:

Look man there is white trash culture and there is black trash culture. Both are VERY discouraging to any decent individual regardless of race. You are taking trash culture and take it as the standard for an entire race.

Look, in my neighborhood there are a good number of african immigrants. They have none of that ghetto trash MTV gangsta shit going. To generalize, they tend to be upbeat and polite, either friendly/outgoing or a bit shy and silent, put on a coat when its 70'F :wink: and tend to sing out loud in Swahili when riding their bicyle (I actually know Swahili when I hear it, so thats no assumption)

Nothing of the hoodrat thing you see with many African-Americans or African-Caribbeans. The underlying reason is simple: their great-grandparents havent gone through slavery and all the cultural racism following that.

As the Africans stay here longer, you see the new cultural environment have its effect, and quite often its detrimental.

What got you worried is the fucked-up side of black American culture. Realize that this is matched equally by the fucked up side of white American culture, except that is tucked away mostly in rural areas of the South.

Are you racist? yes, and I recommend you to deconstruct it to the point of getting no more feedback on it from your environment.

Your behavior actually INVITES being victimized. How do you think a genuine thug will take offense to:

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I never walk close to black people (I was robbed by one at my school like 5 years ago) so they look at me funny when I obviously avoid them



Not with a frown, I tell you that!

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should I just take the chance to get fucked up again by them so I can stop being called racist?



You should target the group you avoid more precisely to distinguish between black people who are potential offenders and people who are just, being people.

Hang out with your black friend and his buddies and watch closely how society interact with them. If you walk through a crowd you are in a cocoon of tensing up faces and firmly held purses. If you really register the difference of white folks reaction to you walking with some black friends vs with white friends, chances are you'd be shocked and have a little better understanding that most of this "toughness" of black trash culture is really a defense mechanism.

Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 06:21 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Interesting and helpful post. I don't however see how avoiding them invites me being victimized. This depends on where you live, every black around here thinks he is gangster, its not like where you live. The first time I got robbed I was minding my own business walked right by a group of black guys/girls I had no worry whatsoever and was actually reading my notebook while walking and studying. I think it is the LACK of attention I gave them that did me in. A bunch of black poeple were around, no one tried to help.

I do agree with your pre-conditioning theories though, I do need to try and get it out of my head that not every black has wrong intentions and just cause i see one doesn't mean trouble. It's just so hard because most of the time, it does, and thats not conditioning talking that is just the way it actually happens- in reality (at least where I am at).

I just can't see past the connection I can stay neutral and my mind can be wide open...but that doesn't help the statistics... I know all black people aren't bad obviously my best friend is black, but all my conditioning comes from the area I am at.

Perhaps leaving the area will help me 'deconstruct' this part of me...it might be the location to blame. I moved from west coast to east coast and so I can say I have little experiences with a variety of blacks from different places and am only speaking on experience for where I live...it is almost as if I feel I HAVE to be racist to watch my back...much like prison if you have ever been, you might not be racist but you better damn act like it or it's going to be bad...


Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 06:40 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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A bunch of black poeple were around, no one tried to help.



Thats a group psychology thing. Remember reading in the paper how a kid or old lady drowns in front of 100 spectators who do nothing to help? Or accidents where someone burns to death with no one pulling them out of the wreck?

Thats group behavior. If you were witnessing someone being robbed by a GROUP and no one does nothing, would you be the one to separate from the herd and says "Stop that right now!" ?

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I don't however see how avoiding them invites me being victimized.




Its offensive behavior, especially considering you've been getting remarks on acting racist.





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I had no worry whatsoever and was actually reading my notebook while walking and studying. I think it is the LACK of attention I gave them that did me in.



This is true, but race has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Any cop will tell you that when in dangerous surroundings, you should walk with a determined pace, look around bright and alert. That way, most thugs will leave you be. Thugs pick on an easy victim, they go for the old lady, the guy in the wheelchair or, you guessed it, the guy who seems lost, aimless or distracted. Dont seek confrontation but dont avoid it either.

Walk the streets like you own them. Be alert and energetic.

Sounds familiar? :yesnod:

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I know all black people aren't bad obviously my best friend is black



Being with your friend can help you turn this disadvantage around. Discuss it with him, empathically. What you need is corrective experiences (like your best friend is, he disproves your conditioning by being himself) and active deconstruction of your prejudices.

Remember, being loud is not being trouble. Drawing attention in itself is not trouble. Being trouble is being aggressive, stealing shit and being violent.

Don't mistake extraverted behavior for aggression, and dont mistake "acting tough" for being a thug.


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Perhaps leaving the area will help me 'deconstruct' this part of me...



If you live in a high crime area, getting out of there should be a high priority. Race needs to have nothing to do with that.

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I like to think that I'm not racist but the truth is I generally dislike everyone.  But, when it comes to blacks in my home I ask that they constantly clap their hands when I'm out of the room so I know their not putting anything in their pockets.

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #3]
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Very good advice, especially about talking to my friend. I wonder if he would be open to such a discussion. He does in fact act like himself man I wish everyone just acted like themselves...

See that video you posted. That is exactly what I mean that dude is clean cut in a fucking suit. Way off mark. That more looks like my best friend than the majority of blacks I am talking about.

I am in a good area no crime but its the 'wanna be' type thug thing. I was on college campus so it is campus crime. It is just a  high black population area. No one is on welfare there are no project 8s around, a well known college in a nice part of a large (not HUGE, but well known) city, honestly.

More and more I am beginning to blame my environment for my feelings I am in a area where all this is taking effect and am judging a race by what I am finding in this area...In my area I know 50x times more 'racist' black people than white I think that has a lot to do with my experience and I'm not expanding them beyond that. I am sure if a black person was stick in the south with a bunch of hillbillies he'd be feeling the same.

Good advice though #2 I don't think you are exactly understanding the environment/area but your general advice about my feelings and situation is very good...I think I'm going to hang with him and his friends tonight see what it brings...



Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 07:39 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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tl;dr

but no, you aren't racist.  they're just niggers.

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #4]
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I used to shy away from and disrespect the word nigger when I lived out west. Since living around blacks it really has become a every day word.

and I have heard that clapping hand joke before from my black friend. :smile:

Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 07:45 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I don't hate hate black people, just trashy people, but most of the trashy people I meet are black.

Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 07:56 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Anonymous #5 said:
I don't hate hate black people, just trashy people, but most of the trashy people I meet are black.




Yea...that's what I am saying...that's the 'connection' I just can't get over and look past.

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
I used to shy away from and disrespect the word nigger when I lived out west. Since living around blacks it really has become a every day word.

and I have heard that clapping hand joke before from my black friend. :smile:



yeah nigga :congrats:

what :shrug:

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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I usually judge black people by the way they talk....

IF they are foriegn, I generally feel I can trust them.

If they sound like a MTV Ad Spot, then they can "Carry They ASS!"

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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UR making a convenient mental structure for enabling ur bias. When u see a black guy steal u think its because hes black, but really hes just an asshole. blacks are just as diverse in upbringing as all other cultures.

the other side is i blurted out at a bar today trying to discibe this guy in a story. i said hes the "big black ass hole" and these black guys got pissed about it. I told them to fuck off and if i want to call someone a black ass hole im being descriptive not racist. there were three guys in the story and one of them is accurately a big black asshole. They got more pissed and i told them think about it, u could try and fight me and teach me a lesson, but what would it be exactly? dont refer to black people as black? the next part was my favorite.

i ended it by saying "my next conversation topic is the BET awards, is there a proper, non offensive way you would like me to describe them.. maybe with out saying black?"

if your that sensitive get fucked. I know what it feels to be discriminated against, but im still not sensitive about hearing white people this and that.

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
UR making a convenient mental structure for enabling ur bias. When u see a black guy steal u think its because hes black, but really hes just an asshole. blacks are just as diverse in upbringing as all other cultures.





Here is the problem with this. This explains my 'connection'.

Say a gas station gets robbed 10 times a week.

You stand outside and watch.

Nine of the ten times it was robbed, it was done by a black person.

So now what are you suppose to think?

You say it's because they are assholes, not black.

So are you saying most assholes are black?

And if most assholes are black, then why is it wrong for me to be on the lookout for black people?

Am I on the lookout for blacks because blacks are more likely to be assholes or because they are black?

If it is because black people are most likely going to be an asshole am I racist?

Edited by Anonymous (07/01/09 08:48 AM)

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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how you are viewed is one thing, but you are not thinking logically about this.
In your example you have proved nothing in the observation. you cannot use an example such as that to draw the conclusion that black = asshole.

its the same reason im not racist even though i say shit like "black people are assholes." Its true!
..but i think ALL people are assholes(mostly). Obviously someone hearing that could get me labeled 'Racist!!'
but really im not.

the consequent can never be used to validate the antecedent. 
in the words of Jack White "if your going to the grave, don't blame the hearse."

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #8]
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Anonymous #8 said:
In your example you have proved nothing in the observation. you cannot use an example such as that to draw the conclusion that black = asshole.




What conclusion did you draw from my example?

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Re: Am I racist? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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your looking at the world from the fishbowl of you immediate surroundings. you cant say the experiences you've had with blacks represent an accurate cross section of the population of blacks.  If you lived in a place like i do with many black people doing positive things you might have a different feeling about this. Per capita, where im from blacks and whites are equally shit heads. Arabs are fucking awful tho.






Just playing. :wink:


your not racist, your just being logical in following a trend and acting on it. Just dont think its going to be like that with black people everywhere.

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