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The American Dream Doesnt Exist
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Im pretty confused about what the american dream actually is. Is it a dream based in happiness or materialism? Is it possible for one to be truly happy, based on how possessions? Personally i believe that the american dream was created to make it easier to go with the program. So let's say it is real and you can live the dream, then what? Is going to college getting a corporate job, having a nice car and a house in the suburbs the kind of mystical, other worldly dream that we experience when we sleep? or is it a waking dream, a grand distraction? I feel like a lot of people in my generation(x) have noticed this also. Since we have no great cause as previous generations were tricked into believing they had, what are we living for?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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So does the dream exist or not?
You say that you don't believe it does, and yet you talk about it's effects. :lol:
BTW, what great cause did the previous generations have?


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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I think the American dream is that all people have an equal chance to do what ever they want. This is somewhat true.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: energy]
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We all have an equal chance to use illegal drugs get caught and go to prison.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
So does the dream exist or not?
You say that you don't believe it does, and yet you talk about it's effects. :lol:
BTW, what great cause did the previous generations have?


you tell me whether or not dreams are real. and previous generations had wars, depressions, famines, epidemics, etc. Not saying we dont have that now, but it seems like as a nation we're over it. i said i wasnt entirely sure what the dream even is, so as for whether or not it exists, as i know it no it does not.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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but it seems like as a nation we're over it.

Another youngster who thinks history begins and ends with their lifetime.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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that's not the case at all. I meant mentality wise. With all the shit we see on tv and in movies real life just isnt important anymore.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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To you maybe but the rest still get glued to their morning news report and send a check just like in the good old days. If we were over it, the news boys would quit reporting it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Icelander]
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i didnt say we're over getting our daily fix of violence on tv, but i believe we're over caring enough to do something.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Do something like what?


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
i didnt say we're over getting our daily fix of violence on tv, but i believe we're over caring enough to do something.



We never cared. We are and were the cause of much of the misery in the world. It was all PR and if anything has changed it that a few people are more media savvy. The 50s and 60s are over thank god.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
Im pretty confused about what the american dream actually is. Is it a dream based in happiness or materialism? Is it possible for one to be truly happy, based on how possessions?

What's the difference between fake happy and real happy? They may use material as a means to happiness, but I don't see how it can negate the worth of their happiness.

The American Dream is supposed to be that people have equal opportunity to reach their goals.


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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Do something like what?


whatever needs to be done. take darfur for example, people used the media big time expose atrocities and the person that's done the most is george clooney? wtf? Before that it was rwanda and whatever other countries were in turmoil. Nothing changes other than the headlines. At least back in the day we had our own issues here and people focused on that. Now we hear about our problems, and the rest of the world's problems, and do nothing about any of them.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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I don't understand your post.


Like mushroomtrip observes your statements are contradictory, and I don't get what you mean by "american dream" since you are ttalking about genocide and war and such.  What does this have to do with anything?


I thought the american dream was that you are limited only by your abilities and effort.



How is that not true?


Like icelander observes, the government works hard in some areas to quash this dream, though usually as a side effect of some stupid policy, but america is still quite free relative to other countries.



The ability to do what you want economically or personally is there and more available than other countries.


I don't even know what the materialism discussion has to do with anything.  Were you saying the american dream is to work for a corporation and own a car or something?  I've never heard that.

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
I don't understand your post.


Like mushroomtrip observes your statements are contradictory, and I don't get what you mean by "american dream" since you are ttalking about genocide and war and such.  What does this have to do with anything?


I thought the american dream was that you are limited only by your abilities and effort.



How is that not true?


Like icelander observes, the government works hard in some areas to quash this dream, though usually as a side effect of some stupid policy, but america is still quite free relative to other countries.



The ability to do what you want economically or personally is there and more available than other countries.


I don't even know what the materialism discussion has to do with anything.  Were you saying the american dream is to work for a corporation and own a car or something?  I've never heard that.



And Politically to an extent. With the right people and enough support your opportunities are limitless.


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"If you take a psychedelic,and aren't afraid you've done too much, you haven't done enough."

:mushroom2: Terence Mckenna :mushroom2:

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: spacemonkey69]
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Then I can fly like superman?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
I don't understand your post.


Like mushroomtrip observes your statements are contradictory, and I don't get what you mean by "american dream" since you are ttalking about genocide and war and such.  What does this have to do with anything?


I thought the american dream was that you are limited only by your abilities and effort.



How is that not true?


Like icelander observes, the government works hard in some areas to quash this dream, though usually as a side effect of some stupid policy, but america is still quite free relative to other countries.



The ability to do what you want economically or personally is there and more available than other countries.


I don't even know what the materialism discussion has to do with anything.  Were you saying the american dream is to work for a corporation and own a car or something?  I've never heard that.

The title of the post is opinion, my understanding of the american dream has always been living a life that fits perfectly into the system designed to make the idea of this country work. Which has nothing to do with economic freedoms and everything to do with tiered power systems and social classifications. Materialism is a big part of a lifestyle like imo. I wasnt aware that there was one designated definition of the american dream. i guess that makes this discussion pointless.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
TRANSCEND


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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Jack Albertson said:
whatever needs to be done. take darfur for example, people used the media big time expose atrocities and the person that's done the most is george clooney? wtf? Before that it was rwanda and whatever other countries were in turmoil. Nothing changes other than the headlines. At least back in the day we had our own issues here and people focused on that. Now we hear about our problems, and the rest of the world's problems, and do nothing about any of them.


I don't know why "people don't do something", but personally I choose to enjoy my own life with the people I love, and learn my own stuff. I can't say I feel completely ok with the fact that other people have it bad, but this doesn't crate a discomfort at a personal level. Different people with different lucks and different aptitudes to make what they want of their lives. :shrug:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: spacemonkey69]
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spacemonkey69 said:
johnm214 said:
I don't understand your post.


Like mushroomtrip observes your statements are contradictory, and I don't get what you mean by "american dream" since you are ttalking about genocide and war and such.  What does this have to do with anything?


I thought the american dream was that you are limited only by your abilities and effort.



How is that not true?


Like icelander observes, the government works hard in some areas to quash this dream, though usually as a side effect of some stupid policy, but america is still quite free relative to other countries.



The ability to do what you want economically or personally is there and more available than other countries.


I don't even know what the materialism discussion has to do with anything.  Were you saying the american dream is to work for a corporation and own a car or something?  I've never heard that.



And Politically to an extent. With the right people and enough support your opportunities are limitless.


everything is to an extent, that's kind of my point. That's not freedom.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: The American Dream Doesnt Exist [Re: Jack Albertson]
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Freedom is just a state of mind, so I don't know what you're trying to say with this statement. There will always be certain limitations imposed by reality, but this doesn't mean that one isn't free.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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