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An interesting thing on Depression
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I recently read a book about a guy with severe depression that started out of the blue one day when he was a kid. One day he was fine, had a supportive and loving family and friends and then in a moment a cloud of depression desended that lasted well into adulthood.

Here's what I found very interesting. When he became depressed he wasn't just sad. He said he could see "through" everything. society was a sham, people were all phony and lying about all kinds of things, most all the things he cared about seemed alien and stupid. Life seemed like a bad dumb joke the way it was being lived.

Now what do you think about that? Was he delusional in his depression or was he maybe getting a more accurate look at reality without the mental shields or distractions of what we "do"?

Please discuss.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Icelander]
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Maybe that's what "depression" is, and since it is detrimental to the stability of this society, it is deemed as something that needs to be corrected, especially via expensive methods.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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as with many debates, there's no need to start this one with an either/or preposition

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Epigallo]
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What's your take on it?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Icelander]
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there is truth in life being a bad dumb joke, and he was depressed. that's not to say there isn't also truth in life being fun or ecstatic.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
as with many debates, there's no need to start this one with an either/or preposition


Then for the sake of debate, take out the maybe.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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huh? :confused:

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
as with many debates, there's no need to start this one with an either/or preposition


Was this aimed at me? :confused:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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oh, no not really. i think individuals want to turn their depression around more than society does though.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Epigallo]
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I know how depressed i am when i don't escape from society while seeing through everything.

Escaping seems to socially be looked down upon. But i find that being alone, away from man made noises and structures that i cannot be sad because of being surrounded by true beauty and peace. When i'm around these programmed people and plugged into this matrix everything is obviously programmed and depressing. Pessimism seems to hit me hard because i can foresee the downfall of it all.

If depression is being able to see whats wrong with this world i can see why psychiatrists are quick to throw them some anti-depressants to be content with this cancerous world. I think people who are depressed see more beauty in this world than those who are lying to themselves pretending to be content with how things are going. Escaping seems to be an honest solution.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: jvm]
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You just defined my perception.... I am not depressed, but at times i get extremely frustrated with the things i see go on around me.  It's like i JUST KNOW the outcome of everything, and most of the time im right, which scares me.


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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Icelander]
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Life sucks, why bother?  :shrug:

^ Me the last few months.

In a few weeks when the weather is warming up, I'm back to work, and moved out of my parent's house, life will be just as pointless but I'll probably be feeling good.

Edited by Amber_Glow (03/27/09 10:56 AM)

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Epigallo]
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bradley said:
oh, no not really. i think individuals want to turn their depression around more than society does though.


True, but it's society's fault that they're like that in the first place, not the individual's; society does not seem to recognize this.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
bradley said:
oh, no not really. i think individuals want to turn their depression around more than society does though.


True, but it's society's fault that they're like that in the first place, not the individual's; society does not seem to recognize this.


Huh?  There are many instances of depression stemming from a neurochemical imbalance in the individual; how is that society's fault?


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: deCypher]
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I don't buy that 'neurochemical imbalances' cause depression, and apparently, there wasn't enough proof of this theory to keep the Zoloft commercials on the air.

What, you think they just disappeared without reason? :nono:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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Poor diet, lack of sleep, and lack of exercise can certainly contribute to depression, and by taking various pharmacological aids we can lift the individual's moods.  This is certainly some evidence pointing towards some forms of depression being solely neurochemical; of course in some cases the trouble is due to unresolved mental issues but in others maintaining a healthy body and mind will cure the problem from the bottom-up.

Typical SSRIs like Zoloft are not very effective, but there are plenty of other supplements that help with the disorder.  Look into L-Tryptophan and St. John's Wort.


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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: deCypher]
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Like Icelander said in an earlier thread, all neurosis is the cause of not being able to efficiently manage stress. Even if depression is caused by neurochemicals, however directly or indirectly, those neurochemicals were the cause of a stressed out body/mind.

IMO, supplements just help the body/mind, and I know this from direct experience. I've never directly experienced any neurochemicals and knew without a shadow of a doubt that neurochemicals were the cause of the experience. Hell, I don't even know what neurochemicals look like! :psycrankey:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Like Icelander said in an earlier thread, all neurosis is the cause of not being able to efficiently manage stress.


And what substantiation do you have for this claim?  It could be due to genetics, or any other source.

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Poid said: Even if depression is caused by neurochemicals, however directly or indirectly, those neurochemicals were the cause of a stressed out body/mind.


Again, not necessarily.  Depression could have a genetic component to it as it runs in certain families.  Now, you might argue that the raising of a child in a household already prone to it would make him or her more susceptible to it, but you could also argue that those neurochemicals were the results of a nervous system that's already genetically predisposed towards depression.  My point still stands, at any rate; society is not at fault in all cases of depression.


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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: deCypher]
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Well in cases like the one mentioned in the OP, it is. The story alone says so.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: An interesting thing on Depression [Re: Poid]
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Not necessarily... it could be that the man's mood changed from other circumstances, and viewing society through those new perspective lenses allowed him to see it for what it really is.  We don't have enough information to go by to make a firm judgment.


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