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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Lucifer
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Lucifer is seperation. God is the reality. The ultimate reality. All that is. Lucifer seperated himself from that and created his own reality of illusion to live in.

What do you think mankind is doing right now? They have seperated themselvs from reality to live in a delusion they have created themselvs.

But when you seperate yourself from reality, reality will destroy you. Because that is the illusion. You cant seperate yourself from reality. You are always a part of the reality. By ignoring that connection you will destroy yourself.

All is one as equal.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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:satansmoking: Quit with the shit talk about me.

I will defeat god and save humanity.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Icelander]
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yeah yeah yeah. The human spirit is the only thing that can save us.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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How do you know that the phenomenon of Lucifer isn't a delusion? How do you know it/he is real?

Or are you just speaking symbolically?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Magnus Maximus said:
Lucifer is seperation, but when you seperate yourself from reality, reality will destroy you. Because that is the illusion.
All is one as equal.


There is no seperation

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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So there is no Lucifer?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Poid]
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Lucifer exists internally as a part of human consciousness.

Edited by Magnus Maximus (03/25/09 09:43 PM)

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Magnus Maximus said:
Magnus Maximus said:
Lucifer is seperation


There is no seperation


:dudewtf:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Quote:
You cant separate yourself from reality. You are always a part of the reality. By ignoring that connection you will be further deluded. Because reality is the delusion


fixed :rastana:
Discuss more.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Quote:
Magnus Maximus said: You are always a part of the reality.


Sure.  Doesn't change the fact that I have an ego and a singular consciousness that may perceive itself as being distinct from everything else.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: deCypher]
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Sure.  Doesn't change the fact that I have an ego and a singular consciousness that may perceive itself as being distinct from everything else.


Exactly. Seperation exists in human consciousness, but not in The Ultimate Reality; all that is.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Human consciousness is in The Ultimate Reality, as The Ultimate Reality contains all things.  And sure, separation exists in human consciousness... what concept doesn't?  Both separation and unity are possible; it's just a question of which one wishes to pursue.


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Re: Lucifer [Re: deCypher]
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Human consciousness is not The Ultimate Reality because human consciousness does not contain all things. Seperation doesnt exist in the ultimate reality. Our individuality does not exist in the ultimate reality.

Edited by Magnus Maximus (03/25/09 10:01 PM)

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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All is composed of constituents, how could you disagree?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Lucifer [Re: Magnus Maximus]
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Magnus Maximus said:
Human consciousness is not The Ultimate Reality


What I said if you read above was that human consciousness is in, not is.


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Re: Lucifer [Re: deCypher]
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I like to think of human consciousness being penultimate.
while its a part of the ultimate reality, it struggles to define it, and could be very well deluded to try and do so.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Lucifer [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said: it struggles to define it, and could be very well deluded to try and do so.


Indeed; in the end all we have is delusion to work with.


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Re: Lucifer [Re: flangenips]
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though of course under that inference i'm just as deluded to postulate that about ultimate reality.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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Re: Lucifer [Re: flangenips]
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It's a vicious circle right down into the maelstrom of tautological contradiction, ain't it.  I've found the best solution in pondering matters such as these is the universal philosophical cure-all of Jack Daniels.


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Re: Lucifer [Re: deCypher]
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Haha, nah too much irritability when i have that. I'm all smiles on the vodka (good quality and straight) though. soo damn happy, and little to no hangover, even after a litre. No time for pondering the universe when i've got all that smiling to do.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

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