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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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Heat destroys psilocybin/psilocin and your friends sure should've had a "different" trip, IE close to nothing.

Shrooms contain trace amounts of other substances which could have gotten your friends "off".

Shrooms should be consumed upon an empty stomach or else they seems to loose potency.

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//Moomin666 -When madness is an art...


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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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I'm not a shroom expert, and don't claim to be, but I disagree with the "heat kills mushrooms" theory. After all, mushroom Tea is made with boiling hot water. In fact, I've heard (don't know if it's true or not though) that the heat of a hot mushroom beverage will cause the chemicals to hit your blood faster then usual. Has anyone else heard this opposite theory?

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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Shroom Tea hits you faster because there is less to be broken down. It's like drinking alcohol.

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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Actually heat does break down the drug. Their is a difference between boling water and a flame that breaks down the atomic bonds of the molecule. (Had to use the terminolgy!)
Psilocin will break down easily without heating it with flame, so it is for sure distroyed. Psilocyben is harder to break down with heat, but an applied flame is enough to break it down too. But tea is fine because it is warm so the particles move faster and digest into your cells easier.

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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There is a vast difference btw the temps of boiling water and a flame!

Check it up though, as I (a stupid Swede) only know the Celsius system and the Metric system and would probably just confuse you with numbers...

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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actually, u dont want to use boiling water when making tea. u want to use water that is really warm and looks like it wants to boil, but boiling is too hot and will destroy too much of the active chemicals. another little interesting tidbit, psilocybin does not make u trip. actually, ur body changes it into psilocin, which is what causes ur mind to go into different states.

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Somewhere, wish I could recall where, I was reading some kind of research paper involving mushrooms, where it said that significant breakdown started to occur about around 100c, meaning making tea with hot water did not cause major loss of potency due to thermal breakdown.

I usually powder them, and find that there is not much difference in potence or absorbtion time, including when in a gelcap, since the gelcap breaks down within a few minutes of ingestion anyway.

Occasinaly I'll eat them whole and dried with food, unless I eat a large amount (of food) I find I actually get effects sooner, and with less strain on my stomach, presumably because my body is actively processing food, whereas if my stomach is mostly empty the addition of the same quantity of shrooms (particularly powdered in gelcaps) does not stimulate digestion.

I would suspect that mushroom tea could give the best of both worlds, high absorbtion rate and low amount of discomfort-generating shroom-flesh. Unfortuately, last time i had the chance to try it, I forgot all about making tea.

I'm sure individual physiology plays an important role here.


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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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so I guess heat water to the boiling point?then take it off the stove and then add mushies while water is cooling? so the tea will have less damaged particles?

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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Castaneda seemed to be pretty sure that smoking mush was effective.

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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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When casteneda smoked mushrooms, they were combined with a number of other things in 'The little Smoke'. It could be that the effects were from the other plants used, or that he simply inhaled a load of powdered mushrooms along with the smoke.

Castenedas books are also widely considered to be works of fiction.

I've personally smoked about 1/8 of dried Semilancaeta to test this, and it had absoloutly no effect.

Phyl


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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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*Del's Favorite Way TO Eat Them MUSHIES*

First, take out a blender. Put those yummy lil shrooms in it and add some orange juice. BLEND! Then pour it into a cup and drink it. Orange juice (for some reason) also enhances any drug experience I have had. I take my E with orange juice, my shrooms with it and I wash the DXM with it. Maybe it's just me.

*to all the shrooms in the world*
GET IN MY BELLY!

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"Pot also turns people into potheads."
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I can see it now
memories of other days
turn through my brain
but tonight as always
I cannot breathe
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Fuck Ted Nugent he?s a fucking jerk
I wish that he?d be gone
Chauvanistic republican
Kills animals cause he
Forgot how to write a song

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Phyl: I am also somewhat skeptical of castaneda's credibility, but for what it's worth, it was fairly clear in the books that the other plants in the mixture were not hallucinogenic and were used only to "sweeten the smoke mixture".
I'm sorry your eighth went to waste, though. :smile:

[This message has been edited by psi (edited January 19, 2000).]


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Re: smoking vs. munching vs. grinding
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thanks for the input!
yeah - the smoking sounded a little suspicious to me. i've been told heat breaks pc down (i almost put it on a pizza before cooking, when a friend caught me :smile:). you probably saved me some money!

Delyrium: yes, many of my friends really like OJ with those guys, too. i've heard that the sugar spikes your insulin levels and allows the drug to cross the blood-brain barrier quicker. and the vitamin C always helps.


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I've tried to smoke shrooms many times...none really worked...but once i did mix it with some weed and it gave me a weird buzz...not like your normal weed high..it was kind of like a trip...but the effects kick in for a while, then you won't feel them...then you'll feel them again...sorta like the waves of X...theycome and go.And i got someminorvisuals..nothing special just the web of colors in front of your face..it was still cool.

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