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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: zouden]
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The majority falls prey to the delusion — popular in some circles — that ordinary people are too careless and stupid to own guns, and we would be far better off leaving all weapons in the hands of professionals on the government payroll. But the simple truth — born of experience — is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people... A revolt by Nat Turner and a few dozen other armed blacks could be put down without much difficulty; one by four million armed blacks would have meant big trouble. All too many of the other great tragedies of history — Stalin’s atrocities, the killing fields of Cambodia, the Holocaust, to name but a few — were perpetrated by armed troops against unarmed populations. Many could well have been avoided or mitigated, had the perpetrators known their intended victims were equipped with a rifle and twenty bullets apiece, as the Militia Act required here. ... If a few hundred Jewish fighters in the Warsaw Ghetto could hold off the Wehrmacht for almost a month with only a handful of weapons, six million Jews armed with rifles could not so easily have been herded into cattle cars.
• Kozinski, Circuit Judge, dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc in Silveira v. Lockyer.




From the little of the link to the bill I read it is about banning the private sale and transfer of firearms.  Not an outright ban but it is a start.  That is how you begin to ban all firearms.  First ban private sale and transfer, then ban gunshows, then ban all stores within 15 miles of any school, park, church, etc.  Then ban all new guns.  Then you go confiscate high power rifles, then semi autos, then pistols, then the rest.

They know an outright ban will never succeed.  The people won't stand for it.  Just like implementing socialized health care.  You can't do it all at once, you have to fool the mindless masses with small incremental steps. 

Even though they'll probably kick down my door in the middle of the night and put me in a re education camp, or "terrorist" watch camp if it ever came to it, but I'll be the first nut job on washington's door step if they every try to institute a gun ban. 

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I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations;
James Madison speech at the Virginia Convention to ratify the Federal Constitution 1788-06-06




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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: zouden]
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zouden said:
d33p said:
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)



Interestingly, that's the same reason the US didn't invade the Japanese mainland.



Interesting zouden.


Acid. No worries bro. I'm sure a lot of us nutjobs would be right by your side! :crazy2:


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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mushroomhunter10 said:
There is already a bill in The House to begin banning "Bad Guns"!

Anybody that is a member of another forum please spread this into those forums too! Tell everybody that you know to write their congressperson IMMEDIATELY to try and quell this bill before it gets under Obama's pen! :thumbdown:

Here is the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-45

Some great blogs about what it really intends to do.
http://defmech.blogivists.com/2009/01/19/house-bill-45-the-anti-gun-rights-campaign-begins-in-ernest/
http://defmech.blogivists.com/2009/02/06/hr-45-divide-and-conquer/
http://defmech.blogivists.com/2009/02/03/comments-on-hr-45-revisited/

You all can write your local congresspersons here! :thumbup:
https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml


When they start attacking The Second Amendment it's time to start worrying! If you thought Clinton was a gun-grabber then YOU AIN'T SEEN SHIT YET!

Please post this in other forums! Tell family and friends! :thumbup::thumbup:

Take a wild guess where the congressman who proposed this bill lives.

BINGO!! Illinois! (Where Obama was in office) :nonono:



Can you provide for us a quote from this bill that explicitly violates the second amendment so I can show it to my congressperson so that s/he won't ignore my message to him/her?


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Poid]
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Here's what I sent to my Congresswoman, Anna Eshoo:

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Regarding the newly introduced bill titled: Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009



      This bill blatantly violates the second amendment, which reads in part, "...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.". I am writing you in order to ask you to do all that is in your power to prevent this bill from being passed by Congress.


The bill reads in part:

      "It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license."

      Since the United States Constitution states that everything written therein is the "Supreme Law of the Land", and since it also states that "...the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.", this bill is inherently unlawful, and should not be passed.



- [Full name omitted]




I also sent it to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

Edited by Poid (02/15/09 12:07 AM)

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Poid]
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Feinstein... Good luck with that one. :smile:

Poid: It's not so much an all-out ban on guns. It's a steppingstone in that direction.

Thanks for writing man. Much appreciated.


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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You're welcome. :mushroom2:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: zouden]
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"This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!!"

WTF?  Someone light the bat beacon!


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: TGRR]
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Worse than The Brady Bill!

I'd light the beacon if it existed!


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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:batman:


:shrug:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! *DELETED* [Re: SolomonTheShaman]
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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! *DELETED* [Re: d33p]
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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
SolomonTheShaman said:
Scary, eh?  What's even MORE frightening is people probably won't notice until it's "too late", whatever that means. 



:lol:

it's also been entertaining for me to notice that all the pro-gun people i've known would be the last to fire upon the government in any situation



That's odd, because most of the "pro-gun" people I've known are already prepared for the government to "take over", and it seems they are very likely to follow through with their preparations if such an event actually occurred. :shrug:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
it's also been entertaining for me to notice that all the pro-gun people i've known would be the last to fire upon the government in any situation



you say that like it's a bad thing, being a firearms owner is a
great responsibility, you dont go shooting up government building
just because some rumor circulated around the internet, that would
surely be the fastest route to  confiscation, loss of rights and
imprisonment, at least for those that have committed the act.


so... all those idiots that would fire on government... probably
the same thugs and gangsters that would fire on civilians at the
drop of a hat

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
mushroomhunter10 said:
No. Even a famous Japanese general stated that he would have attacked mainland U.S. but every other house would have been shooting at his army!



d33p said:
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Japanese Navy)



etc

utter overestimation of the american middle-class




please, do explain, I really want to hear this one, how exactly
does such an ambiguous term regarding a socioeconomic group
apply to the owners of fire arms, anyway, wouldnt it be the
working class that owns most of the guns?

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Agreed...

Every gun owner I know also works 9 to 5.


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Lakefingers]
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Lakefingers said:
SolomonTheShaman said:
Scary, eh?  What's even MORE frightening is people probably won't notice until it's "too late", whatever that means. 



:lol:

it's also been entertaining for me to notice that all the pro-gun people i've known would be the last to fire upon the government in any situation



You've never met me.

But I hear ya.  After all, where was the Michigan Militia when PATRIOT and ESA2003 were passed?

Oh, yeah.  Cheering it on.


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: TGRR]
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This is a bill that was put up for debate after a very similar bill died in committee in 2007.  Remember, in 2007 the Democrats had control of the house and senate, and let the bill die.

We all know the 2nd amendment is part of the Bill of Rights, which is part of the US Constitution.  Now, where were all you gun people over the last 8 years while Dubya was totally trashing the Constitution of the United States? Silent of course.  Even supportive of his executive power grabs.

I'm a Democrat, a gun owner, and a strong supporter of our rights under the constitution.  Stop the Obama and Dem bashing, and focus energy on defeating this bad bill.  We'll have to work together on this stuff, not as adversaries.
RR


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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Now, where were all you gun people over the last 8 years while Dubya was totally trashing the Constitution of the United States? Silent of course.



No, we really weren't.

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Re: This is an ALL AMERICANS ALERT!!! The Second Amendment Is Already Under Attack!!! [Re: Redstorm]
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Yeah it's sad what we're putting up with. I do agree with RR. The system is designed to keep us polarized while the people in power do whatever the hell they want. It's about The Constitution and that's it for me.

See. Republicans can do whatever, because half of the country agrees. Democrats can do whatever, because the other half agrees. Once we see past this stupid bi-party b.s. then we'll turn this ship around. It's the togetherness that will save us. Love for one another, and love for Our Constitution!

We're all Democrats, and Republicans. We're all Conservatives, and Liberals. Nobody can be strictly one or the other in terms of morality and political stance on all issues presented to them. It's impossible!


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