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Offlinepolitikill
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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #660088 - 06/03/02 05:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Great Cthulhu judging from your response to my post on Nicaragua I can surmise that you have the intellect of a hamster.

Even a very basic study of the US experience in Nicaragua would demonstrate the central points that I am trying to make.
Perhaps the other 152 countries that voted against the US in the world court are just "liberals" as well. If you feel as strongly as your post indicates perhaps you should take it up with the World Court or maybe re-write international law (you know screw the leftist bastards who have crazy ideas about such wasteful things as human-rights and International Law).

Oh, and by the way the are a number of experts, many of whom are American who agree with the opinion that I stated. Noam Chomsky is one such expert and a Unversity professor, I'm sure with your vast academic credentials that you also teach at a University as well (loll)!!!
I won't even dignify the stupid Canadian remark with a response, after looking over your post I am sure that you are only semi-literate anyways!!!
Great Cthulhu you truly belong on Jerry Springer!!!


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #660150 - 06/03/02 06:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Great_Cthulhu,
Interesting that you say, "or they are using a different definition of terrorism altogether," GC, since as you're probably aware there is a great difficulty these days settling on any official definition of terrorism.

The U.S. government, as well as other major world governments, have been having a tough time developing a definition that both
a) adequately describes the actions that they consider "terrorism";
and b) doesn't turn around and describe actions of the U.S. government or its allies.

It hasn't been easy. Do you have a definition?

As for the absence of logic in my or others' leftist posts, let me just say, GC, that I try to be as logical as my brain will allow me. So if there is a great lacking, or even a minor problem, please point it out and I will seriously consider what you say. I don't have it all figured out, and I doubt anyone does, so the more open-minded we remain the better.

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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: hongomon]
    #660342 - 06/03/02 08:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

US Intelligence has several documents that broadly go over the definition of Terrorism and and by their own rationale there are many examples of US sponsored terrorism.
Hongomon-I think the reason that they are having trouble is because classically terrorism is framed to only be called terrorism when it adversely affects the US or US interests (I should point out that Canada and most of the "Western" world follow suit, so it's just not the US). The US and allies do not want terrorism to include their activities abroad such as the contras or the bombing of the Sudan, the coups they support or the support for state sponsored repression and terrorism to be subject to the same standards.
GC, would you call the arming, supporting and training of rebel forces who's goal is to overthrow a democratically elected government terrorism?? I would!


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: hongomon]
    #660421 - 06/03/02 09:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

that's a great equation hongomon, How can the u.s. define terrorism without defining itself, genius.

The only knowledge I have of Nicaruaga, is that Noreaga was framed to be a coke smuggler, and propagandized against in the u.s., to support Bush senior's war. When in fact Nooreaga, fitting that "non drug dealing mobster" character that he was, eliminated Bush Senior's friends coke trade. So in fact we framed Nooreaga to be a coke dealer, when he was policing Bush's friends coke dealings in the area. Quite over the head's of meainstream america.


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #660429 - 06/03/02 09:57 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Another interesting story but Noreaga was from Panama.
But indeed an interesting story, he was connected with the CIA as early as 1968.


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: politikill]
    #660434 - 06/03/02 10:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

getting all the facts messed up...


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Rono]
    #661267 - 06/03/02 06:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

damn, I was late for work today reading this post...interesting shit....

wish I had seen it earlier...


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: politikill]
    #661379 - 06/03/02 07:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No. I surmised from your post that YOU had the intellect of a hamster or less so why not poke at the little thing and see what it vomits forth. You spout off leftist pablem anti-U.S. BULLSHIT and attempt to act like you know what your talking about. You sight Noam Chomsky as an expert? He is nothing more than a leftest WACKO who is only good spewing out pablem and a gets big ZERO with logic and clear thought(.) Just like you eh?
So I'm semi-literate? Must have got under your skin for you to be spouting off weak insults in an failed attempt to make yourself look more mature and understanding.
I used your nationality in calling you an idiot ..sorry. Not all Canadians are far left pablem puking anti-American morons. I've spoken with quite a few Canadians with a capacity for common sense and clear thought... traits you do not share with them apparently. Were you dropped on your head one too many times as a child perhaps?...or just to much Springer? I'm not a Jerry Springer fan sorry. I would never stoop so low as to even watch such a worthless waste of time, space, and programming. It is a show for the weak minded. I'm sure you love it.(loll)!!!

Ok...I want to officially apologize to all foreigners(Canadian included) perturbed with the United States....

I'm sorry you don't like the fact we(the United States) are the only remaining world Super Power.
I'm sorry we give many of your countries financial aid.
I'm sorry you don't like the fact we defend ourselves by attacking our aggressors.
I'm sorry you don't like the fact we kill real terrorists.
I'm sorry some of you think of us as "terrorist state".
I'm sorry you don't like the fact we support revolutions agains't corrupt governments.
I'm sorry you do not like it that we support said revolutions with military and financial aid on occasion.
I'm sorry you dislike us defending our foreign interests.
I'm sorry we bail out weak countrys in times of need.
I'm almost sorry we bailed most of the world out of World War II.
I'm almost sorry for the alliances we hold with many of your countries.
I'm sorry for moronic U.S. citizens that agree with your views of us.
I'm sorry these same morons live in the United States of America.
I'm sorry they don't LEAVE and maybe move to your country(ies).
Of all these I'm mostly sorry that in some deep part of your minds many of you believe America is better than your own country(ies) and so you feel a need/desire to attempt to criticize us in order to maybe make yourselves feel a little better about your own country. Of course your countries are Angelic(in your mind)...your governments have never done a wrong in the world have they?
Did I miss being sorry for something?
Oh and I'm sorry your full of shit.



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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: hongomon]
    #661425 - 06/03/02 07:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You ask me to point out flaws in your logic. Can one point out every individual grain of sand in a desert? Yours is a desert of illogic.
One can remain open minded without being an liberal conspiracy minded extremist. I am proof of that.



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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #661582 - 06/03/02 10:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well, you're no help.

Throw me a flask of water at least!

Personally I think if one is a liberal conspiracy minded extremist, one may have trouble keeping an open mind. Why do you think I'm a liberal conspiracy minded extremist?

And no vague answers this time--that is, if you want my vote in 2004...


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: hongomon]
    #661924 - 06/04/02 05:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

GC:
Why is it that all you can say is that I am wrong and a leftist wacko?? I have supported and backed up my case, you on the other hand have provided no information to contradict what I am saying.
I would be more then happy to debate these points with you if you have anything intelligent to say.
As for Chomsky, I am sure that the top colleges in the states give tenure to "wackos" all the time (lol). At least he can sustain an argument with more then personal insults!!! I could name off a wack of Professors that have similar opinions after STUDYING American Foreign Policy, something that I am sure you have never done.
Be a man about this and form a real opinion rather then just hurling insults with no evidence to support them


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: hongomon]
    #662258 - 06/04/02 08:18 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't call you in particular a liberal conspiracy minded extremist. You may classify as a liberal minded extremist however. The person that created this thread is a liberal conspiracy minded extremist however. It is so very easy to take facts out of history and use them to fuel your own little insane conspiracy. That's why the Great Cthulhu dispises conspiracy theorists of all kinds. Life is not without conspiracy but life is NOT purely conspiracy. The Great Cthulhu enjoys in driving humans insane...what good is it to mentally torture those that are already insane? Therefor the Great Cthulhu must make the official stance to eat all conspiracy theorists,mental patients(unless they are cured),..etc. within the first 100 days of his reign. It shall not bother with the normal mental and physical torture before dining as they are already mentally unstable the act would be unsatisfying to the Great Old One. Those with common sense and sanity will be eaten next to last as Great Cthulhu enjoys prolonging the mental torture of the sane.



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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: politikill]
    #662306 - 06/04/02 08:36 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Why is it that all you can say is that I am wrong and a leftist wacko?? "

Because that's exactly what you are.

"I have supported and backed up my case, you on the other hand have provided no information to contradict what I am saying."

Hmmm..just what is your case anyway?

"I would be more then happy to debate these points with you if you have anything intelligent to say. "

What points are those? Your extraction of facts out of context used to support your idiotic theories? I just want to be sure what I'm arguing with you about. You can never tell with the weak minded which way their going.

"As for Chomsky, I am sure that the top colleges in the states give tenure to "wackos" all the time (lol). At least he can sustain an argument with more then personal insults!!! "

No, wackos are frowned upon no matter where they pop up.

"I could name off a wack of Professors that have similar opinions after STUDYING American Foreign Policy, something that I am sure you have never done."

Go ahead. The Great Cthulhu will make note of it and eat these people just as soon as it is elected. The Great Cthulhu studies all foreign policy and sees no country as superior to another in this aspect. Great Cthulhu makes the promise that if it is elected all will be devoured equally.

"Be a man about this and form a real opinion rather then just hurling insults with no evidence to support them "

The Great Cthulhu is no weak pathetic human. It feels it has very well argued it's point about you being a liberal conspiracy minded idiot...in fact you've done most of it yourself. The Great Old One does not see speaking the cold truth of reality to be insulting. Great Cthulhu does not insult humans. It drives them insane then devours them.

I do not see the need to go down to your level of thinking by defending facts taken out of context to support wild idiotic theories.





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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #662311 - 06/04/02 08:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'll try to regain my sanity in time for your next picnic. No guarantees.

I'll feed ten. Fresh herbs, please.


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #662316 - 06/04/02 08:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

G.C. You are quite a witty individual...now kindly fuck off.


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #662321 - 06/04/02 08:49 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

G_C, it appears that you are just name calling.

There are two forums for that kinda crap and this is not one of them.

Either jump in and discuss like an adult, or take it to OTD1 or OTD2.


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: PGF]
    #662361 - 06/04/02 09:10 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well it appears the people have spoken Great Cthulhu!!
Enough with the nonsense...
Rono and PGF thanks for setting GC straight!!


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: PGF]
    #662390 - 06/04/02 09:24 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Get off my back Mr. 10000 posts. I care not what I appear to be doing to you...or what I appear to be doing to anyone else here.
I'm just observining how much B.S. I can squeeze out of these people for my amusement and the amusement of those with a clear head on their shoulders. Nice attempt to deter me with the wrong forum B.S. lol

So what are we arguing again? United States a leading terrorist state or that we knew of the 9/11 attacks before they happened? ...or both?


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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: Rono]
    #662392 - 06/04/02 09:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck yourself off you twit .



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Re: Was Bush aware of the attacks prior to 9/11? [Re: politikill]
    #662399 - 06/04/02 09:30 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Awww...it's so sweet how you liberals are patting each other on the back. The people have spoken eh...just a couple of weak minded individuals is all that have spoken from what I've seen. I geuss no one else of like mind with me wishes to sink so low as to even enter this conversation...that's ok it's still amusing. You want to talk about nonsense...one has only to look at your post and others above to see loads of that.



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