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OfflineRonoS
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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Innvertigo]
    #874531 - 09/10/02 12:26 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

So to summarize once again...You are only voicing your opinion with no "valid" sources.

I made the comment about Canadas overall standard of living, not by individual cities....hence that is why I used the Countries names...not a specific cities name.

I don't want to start another lame Canada vs. U.S. thread but you need to present your case better my friend.


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Rono]
    #874536 - 09/10/02 12:30 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

****I don't want to start another lame Canada vs. U.S. thread but you need to present your case better my freind.****

I think i presented it rather nicely...you still never defended my description of socialized medicine.

****I made the comment about Canadas overall standard of living,****

I still don't believe it..sorry


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Innvertigo]
    #874560 - 09/10/02 12:44 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

What description are you referring to?..."sorry but that system blows chunks" How am I supposed to respond to that?...how about if I say, "no it doesn't"

As for the standard of living (Quality of life) here you go..."For seven consecutive years (1994-2000), the United Nations' Human Development Report ranked Canada as having the best quality of life on the globe; in 2001, Canada fell to third place after Norway and Australia."

best quality of life on the globe


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Rono]
    #874722 - 09/10/02 01:52 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

then why aren't people flocking to Canada?..Congrats you have a country so nice noone wants to go there but draft dodgers and terrorist.. :smirk:

****What description are you referring to?..."****

The whole waiting in line thing...and substandard doctors


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Innvertigo]
    #874731 - 09/10/02 01:54 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

In reply to:

then why aren't people flocking to Canada?..Congrats you have a country so nice noone wants to go there but draft dodgers and terrorist..



ummm...they are flocking here. And as long as the terrorists aren't blowing anything up here, I have no problems with them.


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert [Re: Rono]
    #874816 - 09/10/02 02:31 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Rono writes:

Have you ever actually experienced the medical system here?

As an American, it's unlikely Innvertigo would have had the opportunity to deal with the Canadian medical system, just as I doubt you have had a chance to sample the American medical system.

However, as someone who spent the first three and a half decades of his existence in Canada, I have sampled both. Innvertigo is right on the money with this one -- the US medical system wins hands down. When he says the Canadian medical system is substandard, though, he is not being fair. It is below the level of the US system, true, but then so is EVERY other country. It would be much fairer to compare Canada's socialized medicine to other countries with socialized medicine. In that category, I'm pretty sure Canada is (or WAS) in the top half of the pack, maybe even the top one third. I can't really remember.

I am usually in Canada twice a year, for a few weeks at a time, and I get a chance to watch television and read Canadian newspapers and magazines. About a year and a half ago there was an EXCELLENT series of articles in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper that addressed the deterioration of Canada's medical care in great detail. Around the same time MacLean's magazine did an issue or two on the same subject. Coincidentally, at that time there was also a great furor in ALL the national papers over some guy who had been waiting months and months to get the treatment he needed in Canada for his life-threatening condition (some kind of cancer, I believe), so he flew to England and paid to have it treated there. The specialists in England said he almost waited too long... if he had waited in Canada for an open slot he would have died for sure. His case is far from unique (I know a woman who lives near Toronto who did the same thing, but she flew to Germany), but the reason it got so much coverage is that he wanted OHIP (the Ontario government medical plan) to pay for his treatment in England. OHIP refused.

Rather than continue in a thread that originally had nothing to do with medical care, I would be happy to contribute to a separate thread on the issue, listing the experiences of myself, my parents, other relatives of mine, friends of mine, people I worked with, etc.

...please cite your source.

There is NO question that socialized, SINGLE-TIER medical systems are inferior to privatized medicine. I'm pressed for time right now, but a Google search on the subject will verify my claim. Or talk to anyone from England over the age of thirty, although England (and some other countries such as Germany) DOES allow "extra billing", sometimes called a "two-tier" system.

I have been in need of medical care quite a few times, and I don't have one negative thing to say about our system.

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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert [Re: Phred]
    #874833 - 09/10/02 02:40 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Okay fine...I will agree to the fact that the U.S. has the best medical care that money can buy...as long as you can afford it. Is that a fair assessment?


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert [Re: Phred]
    #874852 - 09/10/02 02:49 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Socialized medicine has got to be better than any HMO out their...

I would rather pay extra in taxes than know as a fact that my doctor will be getting a larger bonus if he leaves me untreated for what ails me...

Doctors are doctors, they all feel that they deserve the most they can get because of all that time they spent in school.
American Doctors give inferior treatement because the insurance associations pay them extra if they do. I duno about Socialized doctors but I for one dont want to be treated by the doctor who choses not to treat me properly just because its not in his budget...


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert [Re: GabbaDj]
    #875014 - 09/10/02 04:07 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

Ya gotta be careful when you say bad things about HMO's. The problem isn't the HMO's themselves but the HMO plans a lot of companies offer. I have a PPO which costs me nothing because it's picked up by my workplace.

Also there is a misconception that there are people without healthcare...and that's 100% false...Medicare or Medicaid covers those that have no money..Every American has healthcare..not everyone has insurance...hell a McDonalds employee can get heath insurance..it's not that hard

***Doctors are doctors, they all feel that they deserve the most they can get because of all that time they spent in school.***

they deserve what the market bears...

****American Doctors give inferior treatement because the insurance associations pay them extra if they do****

That's debatable...American Doctors are the best in the world....why would you ever think they were inferior?

****I duno about Socialized doctors but I for one dont want to be treated by the doctor who choses not to treat me properly just because its not in his budget... ****

Socialized doctors are mediocre at best with no incentive to improve themselves...kinda like the unions.


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Re: Heads Up! - FBI Issues 9/11 Anniversary Alert - [Re: Innvertigo]
    #875165 - 09/10/02 05:36 PM (19 years, 22 days ago)

RE: "are you moving out or getting the boot?..i hope neither"

Actually it's mutual... it's a very long story. The marriage has been extremley rocky (love/hate relationship) for the entire three years... In fact, last spring I had a lengthy thread titled "Love Sucks in 2002" in which I pleaded for other's opinions on my (then) depresed personal life. I opted to stick it out, but now we both realize that there isnt any hope.

So, I'm not depressed about the thought of splitting up this time. (I just want out) - Thankfully we have no kids together. - Thanks for asking.



RE: Health Care: I can see both sides of this issue. As I understand it if someone in Canada is looking at major sugery they are better off coming to America... However if one needs to see a doctor for a minor sprain/flu or something like that I honestly would rather be in Canada. Hell free Xrays alone would save this non-insured guy a zillion bucks!! :smirk:   


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