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Invisiblemantis
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Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine?
    #9567282 - 01/07/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

This is a website dedicated to a psychoactive drug. Why are so many people completely against psychiatric medicine, also psychoactive drugs. In fact, most antidepressants act on some of the same neurotransmitters as LSD and mushrooms (serotonin, dopamine). It's ridiculous for a person who uses mushrooms to berate another for using an antidepressant.

I understand why people are against folks jumping right on the med wagon. However, a lot of people who use these drugs have already tried every lifestyle change in the book. Many lead happy, succesful lives, but a chemical imbalance takes hold.

Some people don't really understand clinical depression, and they think it is the same as feeling sad. Feeling sad because your girlfriend dumped you, or your dad died, is normal. If you wake up crying in the middle of the night, for no reason, that is different.

I'm sure a lot of you have first-hand experience with these meds, and are against them for that. However, everyone reacts to different drugs differently. Just because medicine didn't work for you, doesn't mean it can't help another.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9567317 - 01/07/09 08:43 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nature already gave me all the tools I need to survive.  Medication will never have a part because it is unnecessary.

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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9567338 - 01/07/09 08:46 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They've been a big benefit to me, but they're not for everyone. FTR, I'm not against psych meds.

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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #9567395 - 01/07/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think I'm more likely to pick up on the anti-med sentiment, because they've worked for me too. I admit that I'm biased towards a bio-psychological emphasis, because it's what I study
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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: wickedscepter]
    #9567649 - 01/07/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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wickedscepter said:
Nature already gave me all the tools I need to survive.  Medication will never have a part because it is unnecessary.




Yeah, like when Nature gave someone diabetes and then conveniently supplied them with insulin shots.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: wickedscepter]
    #9567661 - 01/07/09 09:30 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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wickedscepter said:
Nature already gave me all the tools I need to survive.  Medication will never have a part because it is unnecessary.



I thought the same thing when I was 18-22, but that all changed. I explored every possibility except depression, because I'm a man and having depression would not be very manly of me.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9568037 - 01/07/09 10:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It's ridiculous for a person who uses mushrooms to berate another for using an antidepressant.





ahh don't worry about those judgmental fools, their attitude just goes to show that they got a few loose screws too!

That said, I overcame bipolar disorder by learning how my mind works.

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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: Freedom]
    #9568270 - 01/07/09 11:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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It's ridiculous for a person who uses mushrooms to berate another for using an antidepressant.





I don't know anybody that uses mushrooms on a regular basis. Who on earth would want to? :eek:

the mushroom god of blue light would send a red light mushroom of death to your mind if you did such :scaryshroom:


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: duster]
    #9568367 - 01/07/09 11:38 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know much about the subject

But for what I have read, psychiatric medicine treats symptoms. Not problems.

(Yeah symptoms can be problems but where do they come from?)

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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9568813 - 01/08/09 01:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Im not against psychiatric medicine, because it can save lives. But i also think it has become a profit driven industry and this has resulted in the meds being way over prescribed. I think a lot of kids are on amphetamines which don't have to be. I think a lot of other people are given mood altering chemicals, some of which are highly addictive and harmful, when they don't really need them and it often makes their problems worse. So i don't think that psychiatric medicine is inherently evil, but i think its often being put to an evil use at the moment.

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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: DimensionX]
    #9568873 - 01/08/09 01:57 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The psych community is generally against the use of drugs that we prefer, as well as they almost force those drugs...especially when they can.

It is completely an image of what they don't want and how things are so askew based on their beliefs.........so I am very much against those drugs.

They just don't like how people react to them and I don't like how the drugs they have you must take every day.......that isn't good if you have a bad reaction yet feel motivated to keep taking them.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9569423 - 01/08/09 07:39 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

A few people genuinely need those drugs, and i'm not against that at all. What I do have a problem with is the over-prescription of dangerous psych drugs and people looking for an easy way out of their problems.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: Green_T]
    #9570643 - 01/08/09 12:29 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

From first hand experiance, I can tell you if you DONT have a dissorder and are put on a cirtain medication, it will fuck you up and spit you out.

"Western Shamanism" wishes to create a pill to make this world perfect. True some may need the medication, but i feel it should be an absolute last resort. And even when psychiatrists make a diagnoses, they need to actually give a shit to what they might be doing to someone. Slapping a label and a prescription on someone can have horrible side effects and its nothing to mess around with :2cents:


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9571063 - 01/08/09 01:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Im' at my last straw, and as much as I don't want to, I'm actually thinking about going back on psych meds.  I have severe anxiety, which in turn leads to depression. 
I'd been doing fine up until the middle of last month, and now my anxiety is messing with my appetite (making me lose a lot of weight and have no real energy) and giving me heart palpitations, anxiety attacks, and generally making me feel awful :frown: 
I don't really have any friends either (another anxiety side-effect) so I feel increasingly alone with my problems.
when I realized that my anxiety just makes me not want to really eat anymore, I knew that I need help...
I've also been dealing with some withdrawal symptoms from an allergy med, and birth control (hormonal) issues on top of all this, which is just too much stress for me to handle right now. 
On top of trying to get back into a school habit, because I bombed out from this same problem in 2006.  :sad:


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9571128 - 01/08/09 01:59 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I am against most pharmaceutical meds. Depressed? Fuck zoloft, take opium, anxiety? opium, restless leg syndrome? opium, nausea? cannabis!

the list goes on


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: aDoS]
    #9572147 - 01/08/09 05:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Ritalin is fucking wrong that they give that for ADHD.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: mantis]
    #9574095 - 01/08/09 09:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I don't doubt they are very useful in many cases, but there is no question they are prescribed far too casually these days.  I see so many people making threads in this forum asking what drug they can take to address their problem.  It is part of American culture to seek to buy solutions for problems rather than apply effort to them, and I think big pharma has exploited that phenomena unscrupulously. 

I think the vast majority of psychological issues are due to inefficient and addictive thinking patterns, and not chemical imbalances.  A chemical treatment to a nonchemical problem only treats symptoms, leaving the problem intact and the patient dependent on an expensive drug.

I am a proponent of finding the root of mental problems by unraveling thinking patterns and getting to know oneself.  Chemical imbalance or not, any person can improve their life experience tremendously this way.  I do not believe any drug can cure depression, but self-examination can.  I think that for the majority of depression cases, drugs are inappropriate and are a hindrance to recovery.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9574205 - 01/08/09 10:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I recommend music therapy, and from time to time a personal experience with psychedelics.

The last time I was in the funny farm, I looked at the list of the drugs that the doc wanted me to take......it had at least 12 different drugs, some of which were far to heavy.........I just didn't have to do much, it was what I expected and it was even more of an impression of what a joke the whole business is......really more of a law, the way that people want to view drugs, the mind and the well.....if humans have one a soul.

I walked out a week later, with a paper that the doc said that I was a schizophrenic.......well, what ever; probably and I mean probably as really likely a schizotypal personality........a pretty big difference when the details come around.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #9575853 - 01/09/09 07:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I feel what you are saying whiskey clone, western science seems to put everything down to physically oriented problems and therefore only treats the symptoms.

For instance with schizophrenics the drug they give them is just like a mental straight jacket when this is not needed. Better to help the paranoid shizophrenic face up to their internal selves. If you have ADHD they will give you ritalin when meditation is clearly a much better alternative. Psychosomatic back pain? Codeine/Hydromorphone. The list goes on.


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Re: Why is The Shroomery generally against psychiatric medicine? [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9576459 - 01/09/09 11:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck teaching a person w/ severe ADHD to meditate!

I agree that medicine is overprescribed in this country. I think it's mostly patient preference, many people would rather take a pill than change their diet and lifestyle. However, you can't let that fact detract from the people who genuninely need these medications.

For what it's worth, the first things a psychiatrist usually asks you are:
- what is your diet?
- are you getting enough sleep?
- is there a major event in your life that may actually be causing feelings of depression?

When they prescribe medication, they will usually recommend you also seek counseling, usually in the form of cognitive behavioral therapy. In severe cases of mental illness, a combination of medication and therapy are usually the most effective treatments.

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