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Libido problems
    #1964051 - 09/29/03 10:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A friend of a friend is having libido problems. He's been impotent for over a year now because of drug (illicit and medicinal) usage. Is there any way to get a sex drive again. Although he exercises every day (running and lifting weights) it hasn't helped. Is there any hope for him besides living off of viagra (it's expensive and it might not even work for him)? Should he just go to a doctor anyway?


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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1964196 - 09/29/03 11:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

your friend should try some ginsing or natural remedies first...and seriously, laughing makes me horny..try to laugh more


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Re: Libido problems [Re: CleverName]
    #1964810 - 09/30/03 02:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, ginseng has been scientifically shown to increase levels of hormones that a number of illicit drugs reduce. What illicit drugs are we talking about?


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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1965051 - 09/30/03 04:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so you used to have lots of sex,
then traded lots of sex for some drugs,
so eventually you're at like 60% sex 40% drugs,
but now you're at 100% drugs 0% sex?

lay off em for a while dude, i'd never give up my bonerifying abilities for any kind of drug. what exactly have you been using.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1965275 - 09/30/03 08:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

vit E
vit C
zinc
gotu kola
fleeceflower root
puncture vine
ginseng
yohimbe
dmae
dhea/pregnenolone
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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1965326 - 09/30/03 09:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm. libido problems..

I've had some, they were pharm-induced and ceased when I quit them. All sorts of crazy things. No erection, sudden limpness or a half-cocked one, ejaculation into the bladder (inward instead of outward) and ejaculation with quite literally NO FEELING AT AL.
It sucks bigtime and you can feel very bad about it.
It's kind of a taboo too.

There's two kinds of impotence, if it means erectile problems: an impotence of the mind or one of the organs involved. There is a simple test for it to determine which one your friend suffers.

He should take a rollingpaper (for smoking) and cut off a length that's about 1/4 of an inch wide. He should then close it into a ring around the base of his penis and keep it around with a small piece of tape (tape-to-paper only). It should be made to fit snugly around the member's base without pressure. Your friend should then simply go to sleep and repeat this some 2 weeks in a row if needed.

People with an impotence that's between the ears will have erections in their sleep that're unavoidable,this because their inhibitions are knocked out by sleep. People with impotence of the organs involved will not have erections in their sleep.

Should this friend upon awakening find the paper ring torn or broken (especially more then once in said 2 weeks) he can safely assume that his problem is brain-based. If it didn't tear or break in a two week period it is safe to assume it is a problem of the organ itself. Both may or may not respond to Viagra. In any case Viagra or similar drugs should not be used without a doctor's prescription because when they are wrongly used they may cause damage or even death.

For physical (organ) impotence generally a doctors intervention may be called for. There are a lot of ways in which things can be done nowadays. The are the Viagralikes, Papaverine injections, ointments and other options available.

If it is psychological in nature it should be solved that way. It is usually the case that a person has gotten stressed or insecure or downright scared or that a negative psychological association between the sex act and unpleasantness has occurred. There are a lot of self-help siteson the Internet with tons of info on the subject and what can be done about it.

In both cases there are some nutritional things that may help.

Firstly a steady daily use of strong vitamins is called for. Now I don't mean one of those whimpy one-a-day M&M like thingies but one you can actually throw through a window, One that has tens to hundreds of mgs of some single vitamins in it generally are a good bet. This needs not be expensive. Especially E and B vitamins are fortifying.

Secondly I highly recommend a hefty zinc supplementation. These generally are dirt cheap. He should go for over 10mg of elemental zinc (no more than 30mg tho) in an organic form, so no Zinc Oxide but Zinc Gluconate, Zinc Citrate etc. If he uses Zinc Oxide but takes over half a gram of vitamin C along with it organic Zinc (Zinc Ascorbate) will be formed in his stomach which is also a good thing.

Thirdly I'm going to suggest something that likely wil get a lot of LOLs. He should crack and eat three walnuts twice a day. (no peeled ones: They have to be fresh from the shell) Sure people will laugh, but I invite any guy to try this for some days. They will notice an increase in performance, sperm quantity and consistency and enhanced pleasure and for some it might be just the difference between a bodily yes or a no.


If your friend is into psychedelics and has a libido problem that's psychological in nature he might try getting into a stimulating enviroment with his love and when everything gets comfortable split a single E together. (Ecstacy, MDMA) It isn't sure-fire but has helped many and has enhanced many relationships. Not more often than once a month tho, and preferably less often still.

Another good thing he could try is Yohimbine in doses of say 5-20mg. Most sex shops carry it legally, but there is a lot of crap too, it should be used with caution and NEVER EVER may it be combined with alcohol.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: Asante]
    #1965433 - 09/30/03 10:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the info


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Re: Libido problems [Re: enotake2]
    #1965442 - 09/30/03 10:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

enotake2 said:
Yeah, ginseng has been scientifically shown to increase levels of hormones that a number of illicit drugs reduce. What illicit drugs are we talking about?




Well he hasn't done them in months but it was marijuana and robitussin mostly. He had a stroke once from the robitussin and it caused some brain damage. i would say that the legal medications did the most damage to his sex drive though.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: Adden]
    #1965455 - 09/30/03 10:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

s2dope said:
so you used to have lots of sex,
then traded lots of sex for some drugs,
so eventually you're at like 60% sex 40% drugs,
but now you're at 100% drugs 0% sex?

lay off em for a while dude, i'd never give up my bonerifying abilities for any kind of drug. what exactly have you been using.




I'm not sure if that's true. My friend hasn't used the recreational drugs much at all in the last year. He's been sober like 99% of the last year. At this point he's completely sober all of the time. Um... He's never had sex before. He's still a virgin at the age of 20.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: gnrm23]
    #1965464 - 09/30/03 10:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

gnrm23 said:
vit E
vit C
zinc
gotu kola
fleeceflower root
puncture vine
ginseng
yohimbe
dmae
dhea/pregnenolone
vasopressin
~
plenty more out there...




My friend's shrink would tell him not to take any of those. My friend is being treated for depression and schizophrenia. Gotu Kola really fucked with his head when he took it over a year ago. I don't know how any of those could affect him.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1965609 - 09/30/03 12:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm.. Depression AND Psychosis.

A 100% nono for him would be cholinergics, being any substance with the name "Choline" in it, Lecitine but above all DMAE. Cholinergics enhance cognition, but may aggrevate depression as well.

Phenylalanine (an amino acid) is to be avoided as well.

Steroids (DHEA and Pregnenolon) but especially anabolic steroids (muscle buiding hormones) are to be shunned like the plague as misuse of them is a strong trigger for impotence and psychosis. (yup testosterone too)

Herbs can be tricky when they are psychoactive such as ginseng, ginkgo and the like. He should be very careful with herbs and should not try St. John's Wort in the light of his psychosis.

Vitamins and minerals generally are beneficial rather then detrimental to said ailments. Especially vitamin B-3 (in the form of Niacinamide or Inositol hexanicotinate, the non-flush kinds) may be useful as it has very real actions against psychosis and anxieties, as well as some antidepressant activity. You might want to let him try that one seperately. He should not exceed a dose of 100mg per 10kg/22lbs of his bodyweight per day, and it is best taken three times daily. (say 100-200mg 3x a day)
100 tablets of 100mg Niacinamide cost about $ 5 if brands are avoided.

Every person's response is unique, but he should preferably shun any and all recreational drugs (including caffeine which may sometimes be worsely affecting him than marijuana would) and psychedelics and be cautious with things that give "energy boosts" or that are claimed to promote muscle growth and herbal medicines in general, including yohimb(in)e. All in all vitamins and minerals are a good bet, but he should clear their use with his shrink first.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: Asante]
    #1967797 - 09/30/03 11:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Wiccan Seeker - do the things that promote muscle growth to avoid include those protein powders?
Also not sure if you are saying testosterone is a problem for psychosis or impotence. In terms of illicit drugs like marijuana I have read that the libido problems that can sometimes occur with chronic use are due to a reduction in the release of gonadotropin hormone which I believe is associated with production of testosterone. ie. I was under the impression that increased testosterone should increase sex drive.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: enotake2]
    #1968794 - 10/01/03 07:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, I didn't actually COUNT protein powders as muscle-building substances :tongue2:

Using protein powders isn't very wise. If you look at meat, fish, fowl, cheese and soy blocks if you're a veggie and run them through a nutrient database (the very best one I know is the USDA Nutrient Database at  http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl ) you will find out they easily contain 15-25% protein, so if you eat 5 ounces of one of these you easily rake in an ounce of pure protein which is a walloping amount.

The powershake people work like this: They pay money for milk or soy. They pay money to extract the protein. They pay money for advertizing, pleasing packaging, design etc. And then you buy the tub and pay through the nose, like four or more times the $ it has cost them to produce and market it in the first place.

And what'ya get? A bland shake of (milk)protein, (corn)starch, (beet)sugar and if you pay bigger bucks some vits and mins too.
Oh yeah.. and a lot of artificial flavors and what have you not. If you were a farmer and fed your beasts from most of these tubs the Animal Liberation Front will siege your farm to free the poor beasties AND kick your ass for cruelty to animals. And in the light of food additives I have seen displayed on some tubs, the meat would be labled as unfit for human consumption anyway.

Meat contains protein, vitamins, minerals, DNA components, creatine, nonintrusive amounts of steroids and you basically EAT muscle to GROW muscle, which sounds quite natural to me! Aside from that meat is a known aphrodisiac in the bodily sense.

The very best thing would be fish, one of the kinds with a high fat content naturally. These are wild, untampered animals containing the healthiest protein, are very low in mammalian steroids (like cholesterol) which you can do without if that makes you feel better :wink: and on top of that all fish "fat"in fact is fish OIL, one of the most insanely healthy dietary substances that can be had and which will not make you gain the wrong pounds.


Testosterone (and analogues) as it is used as an anabolic steroid is very detrimental to both psychotic and libido disturbances. For most men there is no harm in a slight supplementation of it, but the "regular" amounts used in gyms are disastrous. In low amounts testosterone etc are beneficial for libido. But take a little too much (individual amount) and you will tend towards violent and sexual agression instead of love.

Worse still: the organs that are stimulated at first become overstimulated and decrease or cease to function. You will stop putting out your own androgens and anabolics, your testicles will shrivel, you will age more rapidly, tend to the agressive and your libido will be severely impaired as will your ability to retain a love-based relationship.

Anabolics are for AIDS patients, muscle atrophy, the female-to-male transsexual sex change and other people that really need them but not for people with dozens of pounds of beef on them that want to gain dozens more. If you want that He-Man bod you go and WORK out because if you try to CHEAT out there'll be a bitter price to pay. There are studies that suggest that if an anabolic makes you gain a year's worth of muscle in three months (a bodybuilder's dream-come-true) that this is because your body has AGED a year's worth in three months time.

Think of it like amphetamine. (do not use the shite) If you pop a tab you'll be more productive. Take two and you'll be more productive and happy about it too. Bit take ten and you grind your teeth to the gums, you're holding on with all your might because your heart practically explodes and your bloodpressure is up to the point of all sorts of veins popping up (or just popping and give you a stroke) you are at the brink of psychosis or beyond it (the single, reasonably modest dose of Amphetamine i ever took gave me amphetamine psychosis) and you are not productive at all, and instead of feeling OK you have never felt as bad as that before -ever-.

Marijuana may be beneficial to psychological impotence but detrimental to the physical kind. It is a mixed bag. I would not want to recommend marijuana for people with psychotic disorders as it is an absolute, non-negotiable fact that some people with psychosis can be plunged into deeper depths of psychosis, or get a relapse, after just a single joint. (these are Dutch facts and not USA hysteria politics)




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Re: Libido problems [Re: Asante]
    #1979921 - 10/04/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for replying.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: ]
    #1991577 - 10/09/03 12:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

10 mg DHEA per day. NOT 7-Keto DHEA, just the regular stuff. Careful he doesn't tear himself up working out - I did - it's like adreno-steroids, and careful with the aggression.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1992685 - 10/09/03 10:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

where can you get that at?


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Re: Libido problems [Re: CleverName]
    #1993456 - 10/09/03 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i saw it at the grocery store yesterday.


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    #1995508 - 10/10/03 12:20 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Health food stores, vitamin stores. Not expensive, but a young man should not exceed 25 mg a day. I get whiteheads - even on my chest - which didn't happen when I was 16 years old - if I take 10 mg every day. I now take 5 mg every other day and still get results, and I'm old!


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Re: Libido problems [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1995600 - 10/10/03 12:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

do u workout with them or what? what exactely is it.


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Re: Libido problems [Re: CleverName]
    #1996287 - 10/10/03 08:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

DeHydroEpiAndrostenone
naturally occuring steroid, derived from pregnenolone, precursor to many androgenic hormones... "smart drug" &cetera
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