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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Asleep
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What would you do if you knew that you were basically asleep in terms of consciousness, but you had no tools to waking up? Would you invent a strategy? Hope for something to come a long at some point that would wake you up?

If I found myself in a nightmare, I would try to remember my body. What could the parallel to this be in the waking world?

Is it just a matter of time?


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Re: Asleep [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Just wait it out.  Wait long enough in a dream, and you will inevitably wake up.  Wait long enough in waking life and...

Well, you know what happens.

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Re: Asleep [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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EternalCowabunga said:
What would you do if you knew that you were basically asleep in terms of consciousness, but you had no tools to waking up? Would you invent a strategy? Hope for something to come a long at some point that would wake you up?

If I found myself in a nightmare, I would try to remember my body. What could the parallel to this be in the waking world?

Is it just a matter of time?


This post makes no sense. First you say you have no tools and then you describe the use of them.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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In Buddhism, it's taught that waking life IS essentially like a dream.  We are all having the same dream, essentially. 

It is also taught that this human realm is the ideal realm for awakening.  There are other realms - the hell realms, the realm of hungry ghosts, the animal realms, the demigod realms and the god realms - where essentially, even if we had some idea that there was a higher awakening to be had, we would be totally unable to work toward that awakening.  It could possibly be said that these realms are psychological realms, as well, and that when we are caught in them we are without tools for awakening.  If we think we have become gods, that there is something great or eternal about us, we cannot awaken.  If we are caught in our animal fears or irrational desires, we cannot awaken.

But the good thing is that everything is impermanent, all realms are impermanent, so through virtuous action we find birth in the human realm - the Here & Now - and awaken.

Redgreenvines said something interesting recently, which was that the goal is not to awaken out of the dream, but to bring wisdom into it.....:yinyang:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Asleep [Re: Lion]
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I like what the Buddha said but I think Buddhists often don't have a clue what they are talking about.

There is no evidence that the human realm is "better" for awakening. In fact I think this is obviously incorrect. All the cats I know are fully awake and enlightened as far as I can tell.

You realize you are passing along superstitions right?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: Icelander]
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i wouldnt call it superstitions, unless you call all religious scripture superstition, then yes... you are right.

icelander, do you meditate? and are you saying that there is nothing more then what meets the eye?

Edited by Platinum (11/07/08 02:02 PM)

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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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So far, in my life, there has been nothing more than has met my eye.

Isn't that enough, it's almost endless, what need for more?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: Icelander]
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I meditate to relax. It works well for that.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: Icelander]
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I meditate to remember where I left my goddamn car keys! :hissyfit:


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Re: Asleep [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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IME meditating has helped me realize that there is more than meets the eye. My beliefs entertain me, gives me something to think about on a daily basis, and gives me some sort of personal moral system to live by. I don't want to go off topic with this, but if theres not more than what meets the eye, what's the point of life? You don't necessarily have to answer that, just something to think about. That would be an entire different thread which I'm sure has been up on the forum 100s of times lol.

Edited by Platinum (11/07/08 02:50 PM)

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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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than not then :rolleyes:


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Re: Asleep [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
than not then :rolleyes:


???

lol

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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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but if theres not more then what meets the eye, what's the point of life?

To actually become awake enough to live it. Life is pretty spactacular really.

"There is always more to everything" -DJ


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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An awake meditative engineer knows the difference.


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Re: Asleep [Re: Icelander]
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good answer.

I think there's more to the picture than the time you actually spend in waking reality though.

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Re: Asleep [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
Life is pretty spackletacular really.





It sure is!


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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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Platinum said:
good answer.

I think there's more to the picture than the time you actually spend in waking reality though.



I love more than any other experince in my life, the life I have lived in one of my infrequent, lucid dreams.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:rofl2: You got me with that one.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Asleep [Re: Platinum]
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Quote:
I think there's more to the picture than the time you actually spend in waking reality though.


Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

My mission here is accomplished and now I am free to move on.


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Re: Asleep [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
I think there's more to the picture than the time you actually spend in waking reality though.


Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

My mission here is accomplished and now I am free to move on.


lol what? youre welcome?

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