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InvisibleIcelander
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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: RRRR]
    #5974162 - 08/17/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I am. Every day. I'm going to die and I don't have any idea which day and which choice will lead me to it. I do know though that one day I will get that bullet. And there is absolutely nothing I can do to prevent that. So I better not fret or I will spoil my time leading up to that eventual moment.


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: Icelander]
    #5974233 - 08/17/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"So I better not fret or I will spoil my time leading up to that eventual moment." So your pretty much just saying, "Hey fuck em, fuck everyone, fuck everyone but me, ill be selfish so that ill enjoy the most i can before i die"....? Pretty much, your'e gonna live your life, like there's no tomorrow, right? IN THE MOMENT


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5978292 - 08/19/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

If that's what you think I said. :thumbup: :wink:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: RRRR]
    #5978520 - 08/19/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

humans experience tremendous psychological stress when they contemplate the impermanence of the material. This is due to an "optical illusion of conciousness" that causes us to identify the self with the material. In fact, we are only partly material. The true liberating joy of spiritual revelation consists in part of the certain knowledge that the non-physical part of us existed before this fleshy incarnation, and will exist for eterntities afterwards:

if we prepare our souls during our life experience. It is nescessary to identify fully with the spiritual being residing inside ourselves... this is the key to immortality. The more fully we identify with the fleeting and transient aspects of self, the more totally we experience obliteration at death. The spirit moves eternally. Move with it, move eternally.

Also, even in a transient life of uncertain duration, investing in ones own physical fitness is always a worthwhile investment. The body is one manifestation of our self-energy, one form of thought. By learning to unlock the deep potentials of the body, we train our mind and soul in ways that are invaluable and will serve us long after this body returns to dust.

In short: enjoy fully the pleasures of the material, but know always WHO IT IS that is doing the enjoying, namely, the immortal, nameless, unfathomable and oceanic self.

Peace


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5978585 - 08/19/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i don't think that's the only way though. sure, there's some strange thing driving me at the core- i guess i might see it as my eternal spirit, but i'm fully satisfied by recognizing it as a physical part of me.

i used to freak out and my mind would go into a strange state when contemplating the impermanence, but not anymore. if anything, the impermanence is a liberator. it seems to me that most people sense something driving them and misattribute it to some divine entity or some such, but it's much more likely that it's something that developed in the human mind to enhance our survival. almost every day i'm surprised by how similar people are, how unoriginal they can be - and they rarely see it. But that charges me to pay attention to what is truly rare, and thus beautiful.

i think this basic idea of determining value is what gives me a solid foundation for living. it seems the spirit-body connection is pretty simple in a way- the body acts as a point to tie together all of our aspects. if something cannot be found in the body- i think it must be considered an external part of the environment, which might seem kind of arbitrary given our place within the environment. however, this small change can become very important in terms of our personal decision-making.


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5981117 - 08/20/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

DinahTheCat said:
"So I better not fret or I will spoil my time leading up to that eventual moment." So your pretty much just saying, "Hey fuck em, fuck everyone, fuck everyone but me, ill be selfish so that ill enjoy the most i can before i die"....? Pretty much, your'e gonna live your life, like there's no tomorrow, right? IN THE MOMENT




How is not fretting about death linked to selfish living?  Are we only motivated to live a values-based life because we are worrying about dying? 

If the moment is ALL, why would we choose to say "fuck everyone"?  Why not live that moment in alignment with love, compassion and honesty?

When people know that their death is imminent, such as on a plane about to crash, they usually experience a frantic need to contact their loved ones, just to say "I love you" "Forgive me" "I forgive you" "You are wonderful."  Isn't this living as though there is no tomorrow?

Your conclusions make absolutely no sense.  :confused:


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: Veritas]
    #5981163 - 08/20/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

conclusions never make sense.
gotta keep open to what's ongoing

stay fit for the joy of bouncing around
makes a good example too


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5981933 - 08/20/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

evolution is voluntary no matter if we advocate it or not

but I can see the point of pointless living, 'we're labeled as

one of those', 'here we come here we go and its over, to me this is a reflection of irrevelance that man kind has partooken, it all filters down to the basic roles the individuals assume,

yes man kind need to shun the irrelevant goals and have more relevant ones, to me sinking billions into a defense program that creates highly sophisticated bombs are insignificant goals, but we treat those who have such esteemed jobs as significant members of society,

I think more relevant goals are towards technology in general, curing disease, creating a system of equality for all of human kind, space, agriculture advancement, development of different forms of energy, things that make earth, human living less complicated, also more and more automation to eliminate mindless tasks, to free our time to more significant goals, yeah drop alot of the religious and political dogma, such is a complete waste of energy


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: capliberty]
    #5991069 - 08/23/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I only wish the bourgeoisie cared less about the "material" and put their money into investments that contribute less to themselves but more to mankind in general, as in helping "solve" world poverty or hunger, as well as the things capL mentioned above such as alt. engergy.


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: DinahTheCat]
    #5991170 - 08/23/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

why not look to the poor as well? Self-ambition should not be underestimated. The only thing the rich have in excess is money, thats it. Good ideas don't come with money, nor does success.
It doesn't take an investment of money to significantly contribute to mankind either. It takes, above all, a genuine passion - everything else will follow.

We're all people, and I'm just tired of certain groups being singled out for not doing what they "should". Hell, plenty of rich people contribute plenty of money and there are a lot of philanthropists.

but oh no, if only the corrupt, materially posessed bourgeoisie did something! oh how humanity would be saved.

bull. There's a general and dangerous lack of apathy in the general populace, and it's all ego.


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Re: The Impermanence of the Material [Re: vampirism]
    #5997483 - 08/25/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

And thats where we go wrong with primitive man, he has a need for ego.


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