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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: Ferris]
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Don't need to check.  They did indeed.  And lost.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: zappaisgod]
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> What is that map?

It appears to come from ACORN itself, considering use of registered trademarks.  Yep... it comes direct from their homepage... www.acorn.org; Personally, I prefer the map at http://www.rottenacorn.com/.

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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: Seuss]
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I knew that.  I just wanted to get the troll to say it.

You misspelled the link
http://www.rottenacorn.com/


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: Seuss]
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Ooops, thanks... fixed.  Darned typos.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: Ferris]
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Last year several Acorn employees told me that the Acorn scandals that have cropped up around the country are no accident. "There's no quality control on purpose, no checks and balances," says Nate Toler, who was head of an Acorn campaign against Wal-Mart in California until late last year, when Acorn fired him for speaking to me.



Source.

Come on, Ferris. You've read enough of these reports to know by now it's no coincidence ACORN workers all across the country are getting busted making stuff up. Dozens, hundreds of them, election cycle after election cycle. No honest person would try to pretend this is coincidence. It's an institutionalized "problem" ACORN cannot possibly be unaware of by now. They haven't cleaned up their act because they don't want to clean up their act. The whole purpose of ACORN's existence is the act.

They don't discipline employees who pull these stunts because they want employees to pull these stunts. It's just like a defense lawyer warning his client, "If you get up on that stand and perjure yourself, you'll be breaking the law. You'll beat the rap, but it's against the law, and I cannot advise you to break the law, or even put you on the stand if you have told me you intend to lie." So the client looks at him, smiles, and clams up until he takes the stand where he then lies his ass off.




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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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> This was in one place,

If that were true, I wouldn't be bitching about ACORN being a corrupt organization.  Take a quick peak at the rotten link I posted above.  One time it is not.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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The truth of the matter is that these people simply filled out fake forms and sent them in, appearing to be doing work when they really were just sitting on their ass collecting money.



And yet the ACORN supervisors or fact checkers or quality control reps or whatever you want to call them managed to miss these fraudulent registrations. They were duped by the lazy workers.





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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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> the amount of fraud is less than 1%

Discovered... which is over 13,000 so far.  Enough to throw an election.  It takes a lot of really bad temp workers to generate over 13,000 fake names!

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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Bullshit. It is deliberate and recurring and runs far far deeper than the publicized incidents. Don't forget, the only ones being exposed here are the ones so blatant even a moron can't deny they're frauds - they're obviously phony on the face of it. How many thousands which are done with even a tiny modicum of effort at concealment slip through the cracks?

ACORN is corrupt and in a sane world they'd have been indicted years ago under the RICO statutes for conspiracy to commit fraud.






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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
ACORN is corrupt and in a sane world they'd have been indicted years ago under the RICO statutes for conspiracy to commit fraud.
Phred



Coming soon to a theater near you.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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> Compared to the millions

By the map you posted, 1.3 million, not millions... 

> Remember that ACORN CANNOT turn any application away by federal law, even if its obviously falsified.

Yes, so they wait until the last hour of the last day and submit them all at once rather than marking the fraudulent ones to help authorities prosecute the bad temp workers.  Keep trying...

And can't ACORN refuse to accept obviously fraudulent ones?  :strokebeard:

Edit: please site the federal statute that requires ACORN to accept fraudulent voter registrations.  I would like to read it for myself.  I've been looking for it and cannot find it.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
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But due to the nature of elections, it's not like one can make a career out of signing up voters.



Precisely. Temp workers are what make ACORN so successful. These workers are paid by the hour, not by the # of aps, too, so there is no corporate motivation to fill out an overabundance of applications.



these temp workers are given a quota, they have to register 20
people a day, so why is it some of the salaried employees are
also getting caught up in these charges, you know, the ones
listed as 'masterminds', is it because they have instructions
to do what ever it takes?

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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Let's do a quick analysis of the situation through math.  Feel free to question some of these numbers, since they are extremely rough estimates.

Okay, so we have one fairly concrete number, 1.3 million registered this year.  I hear 13,000 thrown out there as fake voter cards submitted (although we're not sure their all this year at this point).  A very liberal estimate of one in a hundred cards might have gotten through the actual voting offices screening process, although this number is probably closer to 0.

This wouldn't change the percent from 1%, since that 13 million fig is probably a couple weeks old, so we'll stick with that number.  Oh, and the number of people who actually vote with fake names without an ID of the infinitesimal number who get through the screening process only leads me to believe that number is 0.  The benefit of spending money on a fake ID versus the cost of a vote, versus the penalty for such a crime, makes it insane to think anyone would do such a thing.

Now, say the GOP decided to pay a worker 50k to sign up a bunch of fake names.  The worker gets a several thousand dollar fine and some community service.  Their probably quasi-homeless anyways, so this is a fair trade-off for them.  The GOP gets thousands of hours of free air time slandering democrats and ACORN has to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars defending itself and its workers, costing them money that would probably sign up people 10 to 1 against what they signed up fraudulently in the first place.  Meanwhile, 527s bring up "issue" ads with soft money, while McCain brags about the fact that he accepted public financing.

I'm just asking really, what do you think the benefit to ACORN, the organization, is?  I want to see a clear, thought-out, line of reasoning.


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Re: Why ACORN Doesn't Matter (Educate Yourselves) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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supernovasky said:
I don't know where the law is



Title 42 USC

Here's one:

§ 1973gg–5
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(d)  Transmittal deadline
(1) Subject to paragraph (2), a completed registration application accepted at a voter registration agency shall be transmitted to the appropriate State election official not later than 10 days after the date of acceptance.
(2) If a registration application is accepted within 5 days before the last day for registration to vote in an election, the application shall be transmitted to the appropriate State election official not later than 5 days after the date of acceptance.



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