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InvisibleSwami
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Assumption and Judgement
    #901344 - 09/23/02 10:55 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

This post was started in response to chemkid's reply on my Loss thread regarding my pain at having to give up my kitty.

Wow Swami, I was absolutley floored to read this post from a professional cynic and world class skeptic.

You lost me with your assumptions there bro. Not sure what not believing that Crop Circles are alien handi-work (or whatever issue you have in your mind that I responded to) has to do with basic emotional bonding.

Am NOT trying to stir the pot here, but would like to understand how you come to paint an erroneous picture of me because of my distaste of what I consider to be poor-thinking or conclusion-jumping.

Note: really don't want to make this about me or chemkid, but perhaps we could all learn something about judgement.


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Swami]
    #901441 - 09/23/02 11:55 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

True enough.....I don't "really" know anything about you. I can only go by the limited cyber-interactions we have. Maybe my words were a little minced. You didn't put the full quote in there though.....I was getting at the fact that it was touching to hear the human side of you (not implying you're not not human without emotions). By the many posts I have read of yours, it is rare to see that friendly side of you (again, not implying it doesn't exist). The world needs cynics and skeptics.......it keeps the rest of the world in check.

Bottom Line: It was nice to see a tender side instead of staunch criticism
of someone elses views. No offense intended.


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: chemkid]
    #901466 - 09/23/02 12:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

No offense was taken, nor was I trying to counter your meaning by shortening the quote.

I care about the people here, which does not mean I care about many of the rehashed fallacies (IMO) presented. In my mind, the two are worlds apart.

I have mentioned this on another occasion. I have taught racquetball for many years. I am a tough coach because I do care. Those that stick with the program become superior competitors, and while grumbling initially, end up greatful for my exacting methods. A good coach is not deliberately mean, nor does he allow for excuses of slipshod training and poor discipline.


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Edited by Swami (09/23/02 12:12 PM)


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Swami]
    #901522 - 09/23/02 12:47 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

are you mean, or are you strict? cuz in my eyes there's a huge difference...
anyways i think i know what you mean... you are strict, but some of your dicsiples find you mean or rough...


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: chemkid]
    #901565 - 09/23/02 01:13 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

I was getting at the fact that it was touching to hear the human side of you (not implying you're not not human without emotions). By the many posts I have read of yours, it is rare to see that friendly side of you




so being skeptical is inhuman and unfriendly?

oooookay.


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #901578 - 09/23/02 01:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

albino, please don't put things in chemkid's mouth he did not say...
i think he meant that in most of the skeptic's case that state of mind results in beeing not unfriendly, but quite "cold" if i may say... they are very analitic and filter everything through their head... in fact they lead a lot of their life with their heads... especially when they talk about subjects like the ones discussed in this forum... therefore you hardly ever see a skeptic round here "showing some love"...


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Swami]
    #901589 - 09/23/02 01:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes cynicism, which connotes bitterness, implies an aloofness or inability to connect with people on a deep level.

There is a correlation between skepticism and cynicism but the two are completely different animals. I am a skeptic but I am hardly a cynic.

Therein lies a reason for certain assumptions.

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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: In(di)go]
    #901596 - 09/23/02 01:26 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"therefore you hardly ever see a skeptic round here "showing some love"..."

Really? :wink:


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: In(di)go]
    #901604 - 09/23/02 01:29 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

emotions are "in your head" and its rather hard to deny them
why do people assume that because one denies belief in things that can't be proven in any way, that one would in turn deny themselves emotions of any sort?
this is silly.
emotions can be rewarding as well as hurtful. this is life


I did not put words in his mouth, it was directly implied by his statement. if he doesn't want to come across as being ridiculous, he should be more careful when making posts.
he said, "it's nice to see the human side of you". so the side he shows most of the time is "not human"? skepticism is not human?


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: ]
    #901705 - 09/23/02 02:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

hehehe mr mush... you know what kind of a skeptic i meant...

and albino, don't pretend you didn't understood what he meant by "human side"... you are not stupid, i know that... you are just looking for flaws in his post to disagree with him...


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: In(di)go]
    #901967 - 09/23/02 04:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

>hehehe mr mush... you know what kind of a skeptic i meant...

Heheh.. the cynical kind, right?


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #901977 - 09/23/02 04:59 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:grin:


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: In(di)go]
    #901981 - 09/23/02 05:03 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

and albino, don't pretend you didn't understood what he meant by "human side"... you are not stupid, i know that... you are just looking for flaws in his post to disagree with him...




no?
what did he mean then by "human side"?
I do not use that word out of the context of something being "human"


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #901995 - 09/23/02 05:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

it was not out of context... of course i cannot read his mind and know what he meant, but i think he meant "human" in the sense of beeing complete... for me it seems that swami always posts with his mind only... and you know that a human beeing is mind, body and soul... the holy trinity (well you don't believe that but anyways you get my meaning)... so for me it was nice to see swami using his mind to formulate a thread and use his fingers (body) to tell us something about what he feels (soul)... showing us the (complete) human aspect of him...


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #902091 - 09/23/02 06:06 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

"so being skeptical is inhuman and unfriendly?"

No, but being cynical is.

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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #902640 - 09/23/02 09:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

so being skeptical is inhuman and unfriendly?

oooookay.


That's not the point. It's how you express it is the difference between a noble and an ogre.

that's why I call Swami, daddy. heheh Dads got to be tough. I mean that on a good way. err Somtimes.

Edit: well, shows my impatient by not reading all the posts. I'm sure everyone has given perspective on being 'human'. I sound like drone by now.


Edited by Calen (09/23/02 09:42 PM)


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #903289 - 09/24/02 01:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Okay Albino....let me clear this up for you. You say you would never use a word out of context, well I have news for you; It wasn't used out of context. There are such things as idiomatic expressions used in colloquial language. If you say you are so mad that you could strangle someone....are you being literal? If not then by your assertion you would have used this word out of context. Let's come back to reality Albino. Before you start calling someone ridiculous you should learn the many different aspects of speech. I would hate for you to read a poem and be totally confused by all the symbology and the idiot authors who used words out of context.

Lozt Soul hit it on the head. It seems that everyone in the forum understood it's meaning except for you. Swami is an intelligent person that doesn't need you to rescue him. He understood where I was coming from so let it go kid.

By the way....cynic does imply unfriendly. Look it up, let Webster be your friend.


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Re: Assumption and Judgement [Re: chemkid]
    #903481 - 09/24/02 02:56 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

(in a weak, pathetic voice)..*gasp*...please...help...me!


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