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 michaz
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 How hot it is in the steam pot ? 
#894844 - 09/20/02 01:59 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I bought plastic box that I want to sterilize. They resist up to 120? Celsius. Do you know how hot it is in the steam pot ? Is it more than 100?C, because of the pressure?
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Anno
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 Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: michaz]
#894849 - 09/20/02 02:05 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The temperature in a pressure cooker at 15 psi is 121?C.
The temperature in a covered pot is 100?C.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894853 - 09/20/02 02:11 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually it's a few degrees hotter... Steam is hotter than the water boiling below it.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894860 - 09/20/02 02:18 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Steam is hotter than the water boiling below it.
Pah, bullshit.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894864 - 09/20/02 02:24 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894865 - 09/20/02 02:26 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you insist in arguing a scientific fact Anno?
Water boils at 100 degrees C in an atmospheric pressure of 15 psi. In order for it to covert to vapor it MUST be hotter than the boiling point.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894867 - 09/20/02 02:27 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inform yourself before posting misinformation, please.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894871 - 09/20/02 02:34 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am well informed. What you have explained only holds true for boiling water under absolutely no increased pressure over atmospheric pressure which is NOT the case in a covered pot. Only in the case of a vented kettle or uncovered pot.
Do you still disagree?
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Anno
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894880 - 09/20/02 02:42 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, I do.
The steam in a or over a closed or opened container has the same temperature as the water.
If the pressure is higher, both temperatures get higher and stay the same.
The pressure in a loosely covered pot is virtually the same as if there were no lid.
So, again, your claim
"Steam is hotter than the water boiling below it. "
is bullshit.
Edited by Anno (09/20/02 03:00 AM)
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894889 - 09/20/02 02:51 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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as an official geek, i must agree with Anno. the geek link that Anno posted earlier explains it well. another way to think of it: if the water is 100 degrees C but the steam is 101C, where did the heat come from to make the steam hotter? an increase in air pressure causes and increase in the boiling point, so the temperature of the water and the steam will both be higher (and the same). but i don't want to argue so i will shut up.
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Edited by Bilge (09/20/02 02:54 AM)
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894891 - 09/20/02 02:53 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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First of all, who said anything about about the pot being "loosely covered"?
All sterilization by boiling tek's say to cover the pot as tightly as possible.
Secondly, I do agree that the rise in pressure resulting from the tight pot lid WOULD raise the temperature of the water equal to the temperature of the steam, however, the temperature would then be higher than 100 degrees C.
This makes us both right and both wrong at the same time.
Are we agreed now?
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Bilge]
#894892 - 09/20/02 02:53 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly, this would defeat the The Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894895 - 09/20/02 02:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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>All sterilization by boiling tek's say to cover the pot as tightly as possible.
You don?t get a pressure resistant seal with a pot and a lid, can?t you undertand this??
> I do agree that the rise in pressure resulting from the tight pot lid WOULD raise
>the temperature of the water equal to the temperature of the steam
Oh, suddenly we changed our mind?
5 minutes ago you were claiming:
"Actually it's a few degrees hotter... Steam is hotter than the water boiling below it."
>This makes us both right and both wrong at the same time.
LOL, no.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894904 - 09/20/02 03:13 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fine. If you really believe that you can't raise the pressure in a well made pot by weighing down the lid, so be it.
As for my original stupid statement, I already conceded to your superiority.
I still say the answer to the posed question, under my proposed conditions, can be as high as 103 degrees C. (In a well made pot, such as RevereWare)
Are we done now?
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894906 - 09/20/02 03:15 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894908 - 09/20/02 03:16 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tripmeister, the saturation temperature of water at atmospheric pressure is 100 degrees C. There is no way water or steam can get hotter than this. (Unless you take away the liquid water, which isn't going to happen in this case)
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#894936 - 09/20/02 03:35 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm so glad you find the truth so funny.
I own a set of ReverWare and know for a fact that I can STOP the escape of steam under a rapid boil for up to 5 seconds by pressing down firmly on the lid.
I could prove the resulting rise in temperature by drilling a hole in the lid and inserting/sealing a digital temperature probe. You're not worth ruining a pot for.
Laugh all you want, ban me if you find me offensive. I care not.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: zeta]
#894937 - 09/20/02 03:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Already agreed. Read before posting.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: TM]
#894960 - 09/20/02 03:50 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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>Laugh all you want, ban me if you find me offensive. I care not.
LOL, I do, I do...
You really should inform yourself before you post your "proven scientific facts" next time.
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Re: How hot it is in the steam pot ? [Re: Anno]
#895002 - 09/20/02 04:29 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're obviously challenging me to drill a hole in one of my pot lids to prove you wrong. Forget it. Like I said, you're not worth it. If you can't agree that a tightly sealed pot will act as a partial pressure cooker, then you're just stubborn. If you're not willing to admit that I may be even partially correct in this argument, than you're just closed minded. I can't understand why you do this shit. I admitted that you were correct about the water being the same temperature as the steam above and that I was wrong. Why can't you admit that it's possible to get a pot to partially pressurize by weighing down the cover therefore raising the temperature of the contents? Jeez, Anno, why be so silly? Jeez TM, why be so silly? We are such a pair of DORKS! LOL!! 
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