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InvisibleSoFarNorth
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The administration
    #829944 - 08/20/02 10:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

A cut-n-paste from another board. I *wish* I'd have written it...

Folks, I take up pen (one more time) because I am worried.

It is clearer every day that there is a fundamental disconnect between the American people and its government.

For our own good, it is time we step back and take a look around.

We are being governed by an unelected President whose administration is by any measure more extreme than any in recent memory.

Decades of hard work in areas as diverse as the environment, public health, privacy, energy conservation, world peace, the elderly, women's issues, workplace safety and more have been rolled back and undone with unprecedented speed.

We are being robbed.

The sad thing is, when viewed from a historical perspective, it not only makes sense, it is inevitable that we arrive at this place.

The Tycoons are running the country for their benefit and they don't give a rat's patootie about you, your well being, or anything else not directly tied to their bottom line.

I am not making an abstract point here. The amazing thing is that with three exceptions, the same crowd has been in charge of national policy since WWII.

Look at the story about the family investigating the death of their CIA agent father that was in the press a few days ago.

The 1975 White House officials who's memos regarding the case were quoted in the article are named Cheney and Rumsfeld. They were Deputy Chief of Staff and Chief of Staff at the time.

They, and others, have served at the top of the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations as well.

At that point in time George H. W. Bush was Chairman of the Republican National Committee but within months Dick Cheney would submit his name to Gerald Ford as the person to replace CIA Director Colby who was seen as being too cooperative with the investigators on Capitol Hill.

It is illustrative in that nearly 30 years ago, the power players in the White House were the same as now. Actually, with the exception of the Clinton years and the Carter administration the same crowd has been in the White House and running things since the 60's.

Carter happned because the abuses of power that came to light as a result of Watergate were so extreme that the country was jolted. Clinton, like Kennedy before him, was elected in spite of his party by sheer force of political skill, smarts, and personality. Both were reviled by the Democrats in power at the time yet both succeeded in reaching the people.

Other than that there is a clear history of the same small group playing musical chairs in the halls of power for decades.

These folks were on watch during the Nixon saga, CoIntelPro, the CIA 70's abuses, the Junk Bond years (with the stock market boom and crash of the 80's), Iran Contra, the $550 billion Savings and Loan debacle (the largest transfer of wealth in US history - to the rich), and more. They are the ones who wanted to privatize Social Security.

This is the group that Eisenhower was speaking of in his famous farewell speech when he coined the term "military industrial complex":

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
Dwight D, Eisenhower - Farewell Speech, 1961

He had led the country through two wars and was in a position to know first-hand what he was warning us about.

As a country we have failed to hear the warning.

I am not unveiling some hidden conspiracy - there is no need for one. The news is reported day in and day out with the same names appearing regularly for decades and we just don't connect the dots.

Our national press is controlled by fewer people than ever before. It has become a part of Big Industry and it is not terribly surprising that this story is not getting told as it deserves.

Nor is it surprising that the President and his allies have had an easy time distracting us from covering his finances or spinning the story in his favor.

There is ample evidence ( http://www.deepcool.com/politics/ ) in the public record to prove that both the President and the Vice President were using Enron-like tactics to illegally boost profits in firms where Andersen was doing the books.

George W. has managed to keep the press focused on the much fuzzier issue of a delayed SEC paperwork filing.

Actions:

Forward this to folks you know. Not willy-nilly, don't spam anybody, but please help spread the word.

Become aware. These things happen because we are too busy, distracted, or lazy to pay attention.

Raise a stink. When you see obvious misbehavior or wrongdoing complain. Call your representative and let them know what's bugging you. Regularly.

Get out the vote. The Tycoons get their guys elected in spite of the fact that society has mostly disagreed with their policies for 30 years. They do it by many means but the biggest weapon they have is a core constituency which votes. Always... (never mind the fact that constituency is focused on issues irrelevant to the Tycoons).

Talk about this in your daily life. We all need to get active. Cynicism and apathy are tools of the Tycoons.

Make an effort to see behind the curtains when reading the news. Why Iraq? Why now? Who benefits? Don't buy the silly reasons that pass for analysis like "George just wants to outdo his Dad" or "George wants to do the opposite of his Dad". In truth, George probably doesn't have that much to do with it - any more than Ford, or Reagan did.

Write letters to your elected officials write a letter to the editor - write a piece to add to this collection. It would be great to have a time-line of Presidential staffers through the years. We need to develop resources that help tell the tale.

Finally, Please read and consider the following linked articles and writings:

Beau Blue, poet, systems engineer, programmer, and really smart guy asks "How much trouble are we in?" and decides that "We're in it up to our eyes." and that the "The real danger is the theft of our rights." See 'How much trouble are we in?'

http://deepcool.com/politics/beaublue081202.html

Dan Gillmor, a very smart reporter at the San Jose Mercury has called us to action as a people because Big Media is intent on changing our fundamental rights to peruse and use information. See 'We Must Engage In Copyright Debate'

http://deepcool.com/politics/gillmor.html

"I am of neither party nor yet a trimmer between parties. I have never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."
-Thomas Jefferson

That's all for now...

Gary Starkweather


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Re: The administration [Re: SoFarNorth]
    #829956 - 08/20/02 10:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

An excellent post, I coudn't agree more.


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    #830078 - 08/20/02 11:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The administration [Re: vatoloco]
    #830103 - 08/20/02 11:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I wouldn't be but they kicked me out of the "Shroomery Book Club"


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Re: The administration [Re: SoFarNorth]
    #830105 - 08/20/02 11:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

We are being governed by an unelected President whose administration is by any measure more extreme than any in recent memory.




Wrong. GW was elected by the means set out in the constitution. If you don't like them, work to get them changed but give a rest to the unelected president crap. It makes you appear to be stupid right off the bat. Since I don't know you and have no way of knowing if you really are stupid, this is an unfortunate impression to start off with.

In reply to:

Decades of hard work in areas as diverse as the environment, public health, privacy, energy conservation, world peace, the elderly, women's issues, workplace safety and more have been rolled back and undone with unprecedented speed.




Many should be rolled back as they are at best.... silly. Much of what you call "hard work" was not well thought out or put into effect by questionable executive orders.

The rest of the post is just laughable.

I for one, am quite content with MOST of the way things are. I do well because I work hard. I think that changes should not be based upon what feels good, but on sound principles that adhere to the Constitution and Bill Of Rights.


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Re: The administration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830123 - 08/20/02 11:42 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Decades of hard work in areas as diverse as the environment, public health, privacy, energy conservation, world peace, the elderly, women's issues, workplace safety and more have been rolled back and undone with unprecedented speed.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Many should be rolled back as they are at best.... silly.


Exactly which one of those would you consider silly?


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    #830153 - 08/20/02 11:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The administration [Re: Rono]
    #830174 - 08/20/02 12:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Another happy consumer in the New World Order, it appears....


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Re: The administration [Re: vatoloco]
    #830188 - 08/20/02 12:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Here ya go!

George Bush, as is typical, spent part of his State of the Union address listing his administration's accomplishments and desires. So let's list a few he left out. In the first year, it has:



Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops

Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million

Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training

Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water

Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons

Cut funding by 28 percent for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks

Ended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws

Abandoned Bush's campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation

Reduced by 86 percent the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance

Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents

Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands

Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing

Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters

Pulled out of the 1972 ABM treaty and the 1997 Kyoto global warming agreement

Cut $200 million of workforce training for dislocated workers

Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property;

Cut a program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work

Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra)

Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing

Cut the Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million

Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List

Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps

Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety

Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming

Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds

Closed the White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach

Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling

Proposed to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments

Gutted the White House AIDS Office

Renegotiated the free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers' rights and safeguards for the environment

Announced the federal government will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary Appointments

Taken steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality

Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program

Held up federal funding for stem cell research projects

Ensured convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can

Refused to fund continued cleanup of a uranium-slag heap in Utah

Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit

Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43 percent will go to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans

Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills

Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect

Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children

Proposed to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building

Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which taught school children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship

Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars

Sought the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII

Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents

Reduced by 40 percent the Low Income Home Assistance Program for low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills

Proposed to ease permit process, including environmental considerations, for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction

Proposed to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines

Proposed that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve

Planned to serve genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.


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Re: The administration [Re: SoFarNorth]
    #830290 - 08/20/02 01:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I feel bad for those who believe everything they read.

*Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops
Good

*Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million
The federal government has no business funding libraries.

*Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training
Same as above

*Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water
False, he merely wanted more study of the cost benefits.

*Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons
That would be nice. There should be no special assistance for non english speaking immigrants

*Cut funding by 28 percent for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks
Not the federal governments business. If people want them, the car companies will provide them.

*Ended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws
Not part of the federal governments business

*Abandoned Bush's campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation
I don't remember that. If so, good. Not our country

*Reduced by 86 percent the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance
Good, don't spend my money on people I don't give a shit about.

*Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents
Not part of the federal governments business. That should be up to the states.

*Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands
Not part of the federal governments business. Up to the states.

*Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing
Good. Not part of the federal governments business

*Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters
Not part of the federal governments business

*Pulled out of the 1972 ABM treaty and the 1997 Kyoto global warming agreement
I'd vote for him again even if for no other reasons than these.

*Cut $200 million of workforce training for dislocated workers
Not part of the federal governments business

*Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property;
Good

*Cut a program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work
Good, there should be no welfare.


*Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra)
Neither should be covered.

*Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing
Not part of the federal governments business

*Cut the Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million
Not part of the federal governments business

*Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List
Very good. Not part of the federal governments business

*Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps
Not part of the federal governments business

*
Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve
worker health and safety
Not part of the federal governments business

*Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming
I like it warm. Most carbon dioxide comes from people and animals anyway. Should we kill them all off to help prevent any warming at all?

*Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds
Not part of the federal governments business

*Closed the White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach
Not part of the federal governments business

*Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling
Good for him.

*Proposed to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments
Bravo

*Gutted the White House AIDS Office
Not part of the federal governments business

*Renegotiated the free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers' rights and safeguards for the environment
So what?

*Announced the federal government will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary Appointments
Good. They're a bunch of left wing asses anyway.

*Taken steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality
Not part of the federal governments business

*Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program
I bet you don't even like cops.

*Held up federal funding for stem cell research projects
Not part of the federal governments business

*Ensured convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can
Not part of the federal governments business, there should be no federal aid.

*Refused to fund continued cleanup of a uranium-slag heap in Utah
Not part of the federal governments business

*Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit
Not part of the federal governments business and if people are stupid enough to still be smoking, they deserve what ever smoking related diseases they get.

*Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43 percent will go to the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans
You mean to the wealthiest taxpayers. If they pay more taxes, they deserve a bigger slice of the cut.

*Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills
Not part of the federal governments business

*Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect
Not part of the federal governments business

*Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children
Not part of the federal governments business

*Proposed to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building
Not part of the federal governments business

*Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which taught school children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship
Not part of the federal governments business

*Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars
Not part of the federal governments business

*Sought the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII
So what

*Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents
Not part of the federal governments business

*Reduced by 40 percent the Low Income Home Assistance Program for low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills
Not part of the federal governments business

*Proposed to ease permit process, including environmental considerations, for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction
Good

*Proposed to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines
That I don't like if it's true

*Proposed that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve
Not part of the federal governments business

*Planned to serve genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.
Sure he did, and if so, who cares?


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Re: The administration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830363 - 08/20/02 01:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Um...

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like your stance on what the american government should do consists entirely of going into other countries and blowing shit up, while not giving a flying fuck about what goes on within its own borders.


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Re: The administration [Re: Phluck]
    #830367 - 08/20/02 01:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have read and re-read that post by luvdemshrooms and for the life of me I honestly wonder if even he knows what he's typing.


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Re: The administration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830368 - 08/20/02 01:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

*Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming
I like it warm. Most carbon dioxide comes from people and animals anyway. Should we kill them all off to help prevent any warming at all?

I can see you're a science major... I think you've pretty much voided your right to call ANYONE silly or stupid if you're going to make statements like this.


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Re: The administration [Re: Rono]
    #830379 - 08/20/02 01:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, no point in even arguing with him...'his minds made up, don't confuse him with the facts'


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Re: The administration [Re: Phluck]
    #830382 - 08/20/02 01:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Where do you think carbon dioxide comes from?
From what I have read, people exhale about 1 kg per day.
Multiply that by the number of people, facteo in the animals, what do you have? Beats me since I haven't a clue as to how many animals there are. But if you'd choose to believe all the propoganda you read, I can't help that. Oh, don't forget to factor in volcanos and forest fires.

Here's a chart.
http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/graphics/globcarb.gif


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (08/20/02 01:59 PM)


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Re: The administration [Re: Rono]
    #830390 - 08/20/02 01:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I knew exactly what I was typing. Read the constitution and the bill of rights. Focus in on #10.


Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Edited by luvdemshrooms (08/20/02 02:13 PM)


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Re: The administration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830553 - 08/20/02 03:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


No point in even arguing with leftists...'their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts'


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Re: The administration [Re: ]
    #830582 - 08/20/02 03:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

No point in even arguing with leftists...'their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts'



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Re: The administration [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #830628 - 08/20/02 04:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I'm still waiting for facts...all I've seen is opinions.


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Re: The administration [Re: Rono]
    #830662 - 08/20/02 04:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Rono, perhaps a search of this post is in order for you. Other than the prior post where I quoted a sentence.... did you see the word fact in any of those (my) other posts?

Now, re-read what I have written in response to the "list" of GW's sins. Now read the 10th ammendment. Where am I wrong in the list? It's possible I am, but I think a reading of the list after reading the 10th will show that most if not all, including some I didn't write "not the feds business, are not constitutional.

And as to the carbon dioxide... did you look at the link?
Respiration = 50 GtC
Fossil Fuels and Cement Production = 6.2 GTC

Let's kill all humans and save the planet!


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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