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What defines the modern liberal?
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What unifies us/them? What causes schisms?

Discuss.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Ferris]
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Hatred of whitey?

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: DieCommie]
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Beep, wrong answer.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Madtowntripper]
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modern liberals want government to enforce their moral beliefs through coercion and violence

traditionally they emphasized individual freedom and liberty, but thats down the fuckin toilet as far as i'm concerned

the bipartisan system is just disgusting, republicans and liberals only differ in who they want to punish and what they want to change, the violent means are still inherent to both


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Edited by anyone420 (04/01/08 08:53 AM)

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: anyone420]
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Individualist politics, emphasis on rights is what I would go with. That's a classroom type definition.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Ferris]
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The refusal to accept anything as "right" or "correct" or "moral" or "better". To a modern Liberal, any culture is as good as any other, any behavior is as good as any other, and the only "wrong" or "incorrect" or "immoral" action one can take is to insist that there is a "better" way, because such insistence by you shows that you discriminate, and discrimination is bad, yo.



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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Phred]
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Isn't a modern liberal like a wolf in a sheeps clothing..

Fascism in tie-dye to quote Prisoner#1.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
The refusal to accept anything as "right" or "correct" or "moral" or "better". To a modern Liberal, any culture is as good as any other, any behavior is as good as any other, and the only "wrong" or "incorrect" or "immoral" action one can take is to insist that there is a "better" way, because such insistence by you shows that you discriminate, and discrimination is bad, yo.


This has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism.

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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Sounds like a key component of liberalism to me. Cultural and moral relativism is a mainstay of modern american liberal ideology. (that and hating whitey, and hating successful businesses)

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: DieCommie]
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Throughout history, most liberals have been moralists and they still are. If you think that relativism and "hating successful business" is a mainstay of liberalism, then I don't think you know what liberalism is.

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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:congrats:


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: rexmundi]
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A modern liberal is a prisoner who has bought into the mainstream media's doublethink.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Minstrel]
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well said


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: anyone420]
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WHAT IS liberalism?

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
Throughout history, most liberals have been moralists and they still are. If you think that relativism and "hating successful business" is a mainstay of liberalism, then I don't think you know what liberalism is.


He said MODERN liberalism and that is certainly an aspect of modern liberals social outlook, although not all of it. The term "liberal" is so vague that to compare it historically is almost useless in this discussion.

I'd say most modern liberals today cast their votes for the benefit of society, where as conservatives cast their votes for themselves.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic writes:

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This has absolutely nothing to do with liberalism.


You are correct that this attitude had little to do with the liberalism of Harry Truman and John F Kennedy. However, that wasn't the question asked.

To remind yourself what that question was, re-read the thread title, paying particular attention to the adjective.



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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Phred]
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Modern liberalism = Milton Friedman, John Kenneth Galbraith, etc.

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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Phred]
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A modern liberal wants to increase taxes to pay for everything for you. Basically a Modern Conservative wants you to invest your $, save it, and pay for your own shit you need material medical or other.

A modern Liberal wants you to work hard pay more taxes give the Government all your $ so they can pay for Healthcare, food and all other citizen needed welfare. Then when you retire youll be broke and use all your $ for left over taxes and food.


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: Ferris]
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Well...for a while I thought I was more liberal because I believe in individual rights and I kind of want the government to just fuck off. I started reading more...and maybe I am just stupid, but what I got from it is...liberalism is socialism/communism. They want universal health care, social living, etc. So I am kind of confused now, I am not really sure what a liberal is now. If socialism is liberalism, than fuck liberalism. Who wants to give the government more control? fuck that...


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Re: What defines the modern liberal? [Re: misterdogman]
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That sounds more like Keynesianism or outright socialism than liberalism.

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