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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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biggysmall said:
sound is vibrations. When the tree falls its gives of vibrations, therefore it gives off sound.



The questions never asks if anyone heard/witnessed the sound, but if it produced a sound.


I believe that is what i said. Regardless if something hears it, the vibrations from the fall create "sound"

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: biggysmall]
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lol nice usage of quotes buddy.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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LOL, sorry I'm nodding pretty bad on vicodin. But then again never blame your faults on drugs.

Please daytripper bless me with your quoting knowledge

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

-From Wiki
(how fitting)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest

Cracka, should we assume that this is the original question or were you just trying to confuse us?


hehe, so even with that minor tid bit left out, the tree still makes vibrations/sound.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: biggysmall]
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My whole argument is based on a discrepancy between "sound" and sound. Take a look.

But no, I am in sincere admiration of your quotage, especially if it was a drug addled accident.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Cracka_X]
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Cracka_X said:
hehe, so even with that minor tid bit left out, the tree still makes vibrations/sound.




Is there a reason you guys feel the need to keep writing sound as "sound" or "vibration/sound?" Why not just go all the way and call it variable X?


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:Is there a reason you guys feel the need to keep writing sound as "sound" or vibration/sound. Why not just call it variable X?

:lol: are you serious dude?  Its not a variable, its a constant.  It has a definition, that definition is vibration.  Words have meaning, people agree on the meaning (most people).

If you want to discuss a question "If a tree falls no one is around does it make a variable x?", then thats a different topic.

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
The question implies that there is more to sound than what is objectively apparent. Otherwise, kind of a silly question eh?


I think the phrase aims to raise questions concerning what constitutes reality as we understand it. Does anything 'exist' in the absence of an observer to confirm its existence? How do our sensory inputs affect our interpretation of reality? Is a green ball still green without a human eye to register and categorize it as such? is a melon really sweet without taste buds? and does a tree make a sound without anything to hear it? I guess modern science takes away from the question, reducing it to more of an acoustics lesson, but I'm sure it carried much more significance when it was conceived :grin:

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: DieCommie]
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No I wasn't serious.

I was pointing out the absurdity of relying on the definition of sound, and then later using quotations or other means to make the concept ambiguous.

If you want to say there is an utterly objective concept of sound, don't call it "sound" or sound/vibration.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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daytripper23 said:
Cracka_X said:
hehe, so even with that minor tid bit left out, the tree still makes vibrations/sound.




Is there a reason you guys feel the need to keep writing sound as "sound" or "vibration/sound?" Why not just go all the way and call it variable X?


this would be a math class without physics then!


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Cracka_X]
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hey, sent you a PM Cracka...


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
  The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
  The frumious Bandersnatch!

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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The tree produces vibrations in the air which were also called 'sound' by the definition above. This 'sound' can be perceived differently by different life forms, including humans.
A bat can hear totally different sounds as a pot whale, that's why I prefer talking about 'sound-waves' as that what is transmitted, and 'sound' as what is perceived.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: NiamhNyx]
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Yes, animals and insects count as subjective points of reference. Sound as I interpreted the classic question doesn't mean the mere movement of air molecules, it means the entire experience of subject-object, and without some sentience whether animal, insectoid or mechanical, it is just the same as a grenade exploding in outer space - soundlessly.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Veritas]
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Dictionary definitions can be expanded, just as vocabulary becomes expanded by colloquial speech becoming recognized and formalized. As a matter of fact, the example of this which is explained in the first pages of my 1979 Webster's Collegiate Dictionary singles out the term "acidhead!"
My definition of sound assumes that there is no completely 'objective' reality and that the word 'sound' implies reception by some subject, hence consciousness is included in the definition as in the experience of sound. This is not as simplistic as it appears. In the absence of some recording device or creature, only vibration exists, not the tympanic or electric instrument to complete the reality called sound.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Cracka_X]
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Has this forum really come to this? I heard this when I was in the first grade....lol.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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'...only vibration exists, not the tympanic or electric instrument to complete the reality called sound.'

It is the vibration that we call 'sound' that is transduced by a microphone into electrical signals called 'audio'.
Measuring decibels electronically is a measurement of SPL (sound pressure level). The pressure is air pressure. Anything that produces vibration in air sends out waves (sound) in all directions whether there is an observer or not.


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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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Yes and No.


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E-Sangha
What Is Buddhism?
Human History/Future Threats

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: daytripper23]
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If no one is around, why bother finding out?


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The world itself is the will to power - and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power - and nothing else! ~Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Felinor]
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have sex with ear muffs in a church , and see if anyone hears.

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Re: If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around... [Re: Cracka_X]
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If nobody's around, how do you know that the tree fell? o_O


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