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the best evidence for "other life forms"
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Don't know what I'd really call these beings, I'm still on the path of figuring who or what they are myself.

All you have to do, to communicate with these intelligent beings from outside our every day perception, is smoke DMT. It may take some tries before breaking through to that point, but now without exception, every time I smoke DMT, the "elves" appear. They have communicated a few things to me, and I am aware that they are not from my sub-conssious mind, they are a group of entities that appear to us, as to teach us lessons.

I don't want to say too much about it, because I don't want to alter your perceptions any further about this experience, without you trying it yourself. They can show you events in your future, and you will know.

What do you have to lose?

I have yet to have any sort of contact experiences outside of DMT or the psychedelic realm.


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"Cosmic Love is absolutely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lilly


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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super


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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Oh yes they are definitely real. I find it quite strange that people often see the same entities such as praying mantids and of course the elves. Not all of them are friendly though in my opinion.

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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If they are real, then it should be possible to communicate without a drug?

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Humble lurker]
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Humble lurker said:
If they are real, then it should be possible to communicate without a drug?


I see what you mean, but I'd have to say no. Dogs can hear higher frequencies than humans can. Bats hear their echolocation at frequencies that we can't. The limits of our senses aren't the limits of reality. We use tools to pick up and listen to radio waves, and measure all kinds of things we don't perceive. DMT could serve the same function.


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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.

Edited by jonathanseagull (03/02/08 07:52 AM)

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: jonathanseagull]
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When I tune my radio, it doesn't convince me that a a mail box is trying to eat me.


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Didn't quite follow that one Orgone?

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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When I tune my radio to a certain frequency I always get the same station.

Doing psychedelics, one gets different results at different times. The mail box reference was from a trip report.

People purporting that DMT takes them to another dimension to meet entities IGNORE ALL OF THE NONSUPPORTING nonsensical reports.

This is called bias confirmation and this sort of pick & choose tells us nothing.


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'm not trying to tell any of you to believe one way or another, I'm just telling a little from my experience, and it coincides with thousands of other peoples experiences. IT IS REPEATABLE.

It seems that NO ONE has been able to explain exactly what happens when you're on DMT (scientifically). Please, show me the evidence that these are not entities from other dimensions. I would LOVE to see it.

I find it quite strange though that these things that are seemingly seperate entities, with their own minds, that communicate with me, and have pulled events from my future that end up actually happening.

Also I find it quite strange that shitloads of people purport having communicated with similar entities.

Like I said previously, what have you got to lose in trying it yourself?

I'm sure if you don't experience these entities on DMT, then the experience will at least bring you to question something else just as peculiar and amazing.


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"Cosmic Love is absolutely ruthless and highly indifferent: it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not." John C. Lilly


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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i wish i could get my hands on some dmt.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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KetamineKatalyst said:
It seems that NO ONE has been able to explain exactly what happens when you're on DMT (scientifically).



Actually there is alot of discussion about how when you use psychotropic drugs that you using both sides of your brain which creates the feeling of 'other'. Since you could consider the humans 6 billion forms of the same DNA it would make sense to have overlapping stories. Not denying the authenticity of DMT, I'm still trying to figure it out from a nonscientific viewpoint but it can be explained scientifically.

Watch this video it helps explain alot about this:


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
People purporting that DMT takes them to another dimension to meet entities IGNORE ALL OF THE NONSUPPORTING nonsensical reports.

This is called bias confirmation and this sort of pick & choose tells us nothing.


Who says that the 'data' (trip reports) not having to do with entities was ignored? Infact I don't think it is at all. How is it a bias confirmation. 8 people see elves that dance and talk telepathically and 4 see kaleidoscope colors so the people who saw elves should be written off as nonsensical too? I think YOU my friend are guilty of 'bias' for ignoring the obvious pattern.


Because there is nonsensical data, that doesn't refute that there is a definite pattern or reoccurance.

I don't know that I could agree with that Orgone. Many people encounter the same entities most commonly the elves and while many people others see the praying mantids and the Hindu 'gods'. I wouldn't consider this cherry picking data because it is more a pattern. People recognize this pattern and that is why we are talking about it not because somebody went through hundreds of DMT trip reports and cherry picked data.

By the way, if you ever have broken through on DMT a couple of times you are bound to meet these entities because they occur almost every single time. You wouldn't argue this because you would have met the entities yourself.


Edited by Rebirtha (03/02/08 06:24 PM)

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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exactly how illegal is dmt?


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Jack Albertson]
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U.S. FEDERAL LEGAL SUMMARY
N,N-DMT
REGULATED

CLASSIFICATION: Schedule I

Hallucinogen

N,N-DMT is Schedule I in the United States. This means it is illegal to manufacture, buy, possess, or distribute (sell, trade or give) without a DEA license.

Taken from http://www.erowid.org

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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Quote:
8 people see elves


'Elves' is a vague term and is applied to a whole cornucopia of mind imagery. Ever since McKenna made the term famous, EVERYONE sees elves - whatever that means. Dig up some very early reports BEFORE McKenna and compare.


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Have you ever smoked DMT? Smoke some DMT and you'll know what an elf looks like. Are Praying mantids subjective too?




Edited by Rebirtha (03/02/08 06:47 PM)

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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Quote:
Smoke some DMT and you'll know what an elf looks like.


Tautology.

Even McKenna said his words were not an accurate description. Something that is jeweled and multi-dimensional and turns into a machine fits no previous description of an elf, now does it?

Elf = whatever image you want it to describe.

Here is the deal: give 20 artists a first-time dose of DMT and have them draw what they saw. I would be surprised if even two looked similar, even taking into account different styles.


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That's fine we can ignore the elves and gnomes who come in pairs of fours who communicate telepathically. We can ignore that because it is subjective, I agree with that 100% even though it is a definite reoccuring theme. So we'll move onto the next common entity seen, the mantid.

Is a praying mantid subjective?

Edited by Rebirtha (03/02/08 06:56 PM)

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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: Rebirtha]
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It is much more descriptive than an elf.

I have never seen a mantid, have you?

I still want artists' renderings. :hissyfit:


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Re: the best evidence for "other life forms" [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I haven't seen a mantid in DMT land but I have seen entities, I've only done DMT 3 times though as I take it very seriously as a spiritual journey and can't bring myself to go there very often because it consistently blows my mind. You should do a google search for mantids and psychedelics there are tons of very interesting trip reports with descriptions of what these mantids look like. They are also talked about in the book DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Straussman if you are up for a read.

Google images isn't very helpful but I did find one artist rendition of a DMT elf


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