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    #5687689 - 05/29/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: JonPathetic]
    #5687749 - 05/29/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Dude.... fuck that.

If you don't trust the meds, wean yourself off them with guidance of your doctor, or find a new doctor that will let you (weaning off them can in some cases be deadly so you should have medical supervision). They can help sometimes but they can also tremendously harm. You know what doctors know? They know that they are paid to hand out pills. They know a lot but what if what they know isn't relevant or right?

I will tell you I was a 14 year old or younger.... and my parents had me go to counseling just because I was quiet even though I was very happy. Now I talked to the counselor and told him I had some moderate sleeping problems and he thought Zoloft owuld be good to give to a 14 year old, even though he talked to this 14 year old for about FORTY MINUTES and knew nothing about his BRAIN he put me on a MIND CHANGING PILL.

He put me on it just to see if I could sleep betteR! Do you understand how absurd that is? I didn't. Not until something actually was wrong with me (and it wasn't the pills fault but more part of holding very wrong views about happiness being dependent upon having a girlfriend) ...... and man I snowballed into hell, dosing up higher and higher doses all the way...... each time they'd see me they'd say are you feeling better? I'd say no. They'd up the dose. Are you feeling better? I'd say no not really, maybe a tiny bit. They'd up the dose. They upped it threefold... to the maximum level.

Did I feel better? Well if that medicine did SHIT I wouldn't have been wanting to kill myself all the time. It was a PSYCHOLOGICAL PROBLEM NOT SOMETHING TO MEDICATE.

Maybe you are different but do not trust them. Do not trust them at all. Trust someone that wants to dig into your head and help you solve issues through conseling...... a loving spirit. Don't trust someone that thinks pills are the way. Honestly psychedelics are probably better than anti-depressants if you want to drug yourself out of your head.

but there are some people that do need pills. You might be one of them. Ask yourself, are you? Look very deeply, think on it very hard. The rest of your life should not be medicated, but maybe you are one of the ones who needs it. I do not know anything about you, at all. I have no jurisdiction over what should be put into your brain.

But the same applies to professionals. They need to make these decisions to prescribe very carefully. Think very critically about the situation. If you think meds are a problem, weaning off them with medical supervision is a step towards freedom and self reliance.

Your mom, like most people.... doesn't understand we walk around with perpetual prison cells around us.... slaves to the world we are born into, conditioned to be scatter brained and pathologically desiring that which cannot be fulfilled. So you know.... don't mind that. I told my parents as best as I could just what exactly television does to them..... I did everything short of tell them it is the devil incarnate but they still watch it. They're watching it right now.

DEAL OR NO DEAL.... open cases of money! Wahoooo! Isn't that Satan if there is such a thing? yet my mom a Christian says it's fine to watch...... I don't know how to tell them any better, all I could do is get them high and sit them down to watch television the way I've seen it..... so I let it go.

They can be conditioned if they want.

Make your own decisions. Just be so careful when you make them... don't do it on impulse. Cultivate wisdom. When a society is insane, the madmen are the ones who are actually seeing clearly. Would you think a person mad for taking 20 tvs into the middle of town and blowing them up, preaching to people how evil they are? I'd think that person DAMN SANE! I don't see why people don't mass lynch television sets myself... sure there's the history channel.... south park..... daily show.... not all of it is bad but... eh....

throw people's soma away and watch them get upset.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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    #5687808 - 05/29/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: JonPathetic]
    #5693769 - 05/31/06 03:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There is an argument that technology can save mankind as a whole because we could theoretically change matter into energy. Once that happens, wouldn't we be able to have a sustainable developement? And if it does happen, wouldn't you see it as the only natural progression for the continuation of our species as a whole? If we do as you suggest, people will eventually die off as a species. Maybe a comet will hit us or there might be some natural occurence that wipes us out or maybe we will just kill eachother - who knows? There is that certainty, though, because eventually the earth will die and we will die with it. It may take millions of years, but it will happen. Isn't technology the thing to save us, now and possibly as long as the universe exists as a whole?


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: The_Hobbit]
    #5695544 - 05/31/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

localize, bitches

evolving your envrioment weakens yourself. simple concept

imo, warding off natural selection with technology is stupid as shit. its worked for millions of years. why fuck it up now? oh well, oil driven technological societies cant last forever. DIE OFF, fittest shall survive as they should. we will learn from out mistakes and contine our evolution


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BlueRidge]
    #5734608 - 06/10/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: sleepy]
    #5734666 - 06/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

seroquel... been there.... DON'T DRINK OR TAKE DRUGS WHILE ON IT! Also it is a short term drug... if u stay on it too long it will make u have an increased risk for diabetes. Something i found out after doing a search on the stuff... Thank god i started to look at what was going into my body at that time. They put me on it for psychosis..... i think it caused more psychosis for me then it alleviated.... but i was on drugs and the really bad one ALCOHOL at the time too... it made me think really crazy shit....

As for zoloft... when i 15 they had me on that to. not bad just very eh. Don't feel good, but i didn't feel bad. made my body shake a lot... (recently i herd that it makes adolescence psychotic... killing parents suicide and such. I believe they stopped giving it to people under 18. at least i hope they did....)

Like leery said, don't trust anyone that can prescribe u medication, cuz that is their job... i would say if ur having problems go to a psychologist. make sure to tell them that u will not take any drugs. (what mine used to tell me is that the drugs are to speed up progress... which i came to realize meant their monetary progress)

P.S. dont stop taking that right away... u wont be able to sleep and that will be the least of your symptoms. you need to taper off. talk to ur doctor and if they will not help find someone that will.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: LostandFound]
    #5734706 - 06/10/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

On subject, i feel that the drug companies are making up problems to "treat" so that they can make money. I also feel people are not supposed to live so close together. That, i would imagine makes people feel very paranoid(at least it does for me.) on the bases that it is harder to really get to know some one. People aren't as afraid of hurting each other due to the fact that if u lose one friend, u can just go out and find another. Loose bonds.

People are still feeling IMO, it is just that they are not letting what they feel come forth. ( this may have something to do with the "psychological epidemic" thats going on, but i think the responsibility rests on the individuals shoulders to figure out what is wrong...)

T.V. doesn't help this at all. More often then not the 007 type is the wanted role model. Most people want to lead a double life, play roles, or what have you. I herd a really good quote on the subject lets see if i can remember it right... I think it was from bullet proof monk..it went something like
why lead a double life when both can only be a fraction of what a single, whole life could be.

I personally agree with Henry Thoreau when he said that
you cant change a society and expect the people to change too. U have to change the people then the society will naturally evolve to accommodate


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"Centuries ago, sailors on long voyages used to leave a pair of pigs on every deserted island. Or ... a pair of goats. Either way, on any future visit, the island would be a source of meat. These islands, they were pristine. These were home to breeds of birds with no natural predators. Breeds of birds that lived nowhere else on earth. The plants there, without enemies they evolved without thorns or poisons. Without predators and enemies, these islands, they were paradise. The sailors, the next time they visited these islands, the only things still there would be herds of goats or pigs. Does this remind you of anything? Maybe the ol' Adam and Eve story? You ever wonder when God's coming back with a lot of barbecue sauce?"
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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: sushil_yadav]
    #5734898 - 06/10/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Damn the naysayers! I say society can develop sustainably. We do need to reorganize society, but we don't have to be hunter-gatherers to live in harmony with nature. When we make certain legal, technological, commercial, and lifestyle changes, we can make industrial society work well with nature.

I recommend this book to anyone who disagrees.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Silversoul]
    #5734915 - 06/10/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm just trying to say that our humanity needs to evolve to meed our technology. Also more is not always merrier.
BTW thanks for the links. I will read that book.


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"Centuries ago, sailors on long voyages used to leave a pair of pigs on every deserted island. Or ... a pair of goats. Either way, on any future visit, the island would be a source of meat. These islands, they were pristine. These were home to breeds of birds with no natural predators. Breeds of birds that lived nowhere else on earth. The plants there, without enemies they evolved without thorns or poisons. Without predators and enemies, these islands, they were paradise. The sailors, the next time they visited these islands, the only things still there would be herds of goats or pigs. Does this remind you of anything? Maybe the ol' Adam and Eve story? You ever wonder when God's coming back with a lot of barbecue sauce?"
Chuck Palahniuk


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Silversoul]
    #5756257 - 06/16/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Silver, sorry, I've overseen you question.
You ask, why I see gaining money as violent.
I see this as the method of warfare in modern times. The more money one can gain, the more power he has on the physical plane of existence.
Violent herein is, that it is forgotten, that money naturally represents something from which it is gained from. If it is gold/oil/resources, human work (lifetime) or trust, the money is 'afforded materially'.
And there lies the problem with all these money-mountain collectors for power. If money is not spent, then it keeps a rip-off from something, physical value extinguished and transformed into some immaterial power.
The material wealth is lacking on this planet, because of the accumulation of 'virtual power' aka money.
This is a self-determining process, imho, if nothing is done against, and it is violent against the 'weak'.

It seems like with everything 'abstract' you put into humans hands. It mostly is abused for over-egoistical, therefore 'evil' purposes'. It's not inherent in the money or other abstract values, it is inherent in the uneducated or maleducated human mind and spirit of its 'use'. Like it was said with the 'use' of physics.
Always the same problem, but the use of money as weapon will accelerate our final fall if humankind will not wake up soon.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5757035 - 06/16/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think you have it wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong about money. Money represents wealth, which would exist anyway. Money just provides an easier means of exchange. A greedy person may collect money, but money does not make a person greedy. It is attachment, not money, which leads to these problems of which you speak. If you haven't seen it yet, go watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy" and see what I mean.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Silversoul]
    #5757315 - 06/16/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i forwarded this article to http://s15.invisionfree.com/TSL/index.php?act=idx
this community and someone there sent it to everyone they know. so what you do really do make differeince


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Silversoul]
    #5759698 - 06/17/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think we are on the same side (see my last paragraph), with one difference I see. The value of money has to be represented somewhere in reality and claimed ownership over it, what makes it a lack for others.
Much money on the one hand for view equals lack of material wealth for the majority.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5760484 - 06/17/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Much money on the one hand for view equals lack of material wealth for the majority.



I don't see why you think this. The majority of wealth in the world is not in actual money but in assets, particularly land. Someone who simply has a lot of money but few assets is not really holding much back from the rest of the world.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: sushil_yadav]
    #5761591 - 06/17/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I read Ted's mainfesto and altho it was peppered with some truth and insight it also contains a healthy dose of dellusion. His manifesto is totally naive.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: Silversoul]
    #5763095 - 06/18/06 02:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Silversoul said:
Quote:

BlueCoyote said:
Much money on the one hand for view equals lack of material wealth for the majority.



I don't see why you think this.  The majority of wealth in the world is not in actual money but in assets, particularly land.  Someone who simply has a lot of money but few assets is not really holding much back from the rest of the world.



I think this, because money does not come from nowhere, nor falls from heaven. It has to be covered by some (real physical) value, else, for example inflation would rise much faster, etc...
This covered value primarily was exclusive (resources/labor work/interests) so it could be 'bond' to money. That is the reason, why it then lacks, on the other side, for all those not exclusive.
I hope I have transmitted my thinking in an understandable way :wink:

Assets in german is the generalized term for all activa/plus/poitives on a balance..click this for all the german terms for it, then click on the german word to see what they mean in english :smile:
http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&search=asset


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5780492 - 06/22/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

glad to see this post up again.

-- i guess i should add something.
there are alot of self destructive people in the world. in the process of destroying themselves they tend to take alot down with them.
there has been and still is to much nefarious manipulation going on, keeping people from seeing their common ground, and what is really important.
ignore your school, your government, and your religeon and all you have left is each other.
we can get along.
eventually.


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Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment [Re: BleaK]
    #5791101 - 06/26/06 12:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I agree.
If we all focus our energy on ourselves before trying to do  anything else.
To a space where we can give off positive energy to others. 
If we try and enjoy all of gods wonderful creations, be happy and healthy and happy to help others do the same as us.
Instead of pointing out ways People can be better, by changing this or doing  that, in this short life we are given, why waste time talking about such things.
the Real Issue is CLEAR. Isn't it?

On the issue of industrial society.
Its sad and it's a disgrace to human kind to a degree that some people have become set in this society, yet praise and nurture it to keep it alive...
Taking all these people down with them, lost in a world of material things that don't mean much
If a great many of us are not in Synch with what we are doing in this life... with our creator,
i believe that
change is needed for any real progression,It all starts with  ourselves, it is a good way we can make a difference...

'People have become like sheep,if we can change ourselves for the better, People will follow, they need to be LED out of the darkness and into the light'- thanks 4 listening to my View... :rolleyes: :crazy2::mushroom2:
This society we live in produces negative energy all over the show.
We all have energy we all give it off. We all make choices... so if we can all tune our energy ,regardless of type, into positive energy, imagine the good VIBRATIONS  :laugh:


Edited by Horseonsandhill (06/26/06 08:42 AM)


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    #6203222 - 10/23/06 06:46 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

This deserves another bump. Every time i happen upon this article, it seems more and more relevant.


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