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Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification
    #808841 - 08/10/02 12:50 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Do all psylocybin mushrooms feature this "blue bruising"? Is it exclusive to these kinds of mushrooms, or not? And finally, can the blue bruising be used as an aid to verification of psylocybin mushrooms (deliberately inducing the bruising, or something)?

I ask because I'm getting some shrooms very soon, for my first trip, and it's better to be safe than VERY sorry...


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #808930 - 08/10/02 02:07 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Great question!

I'm not sure if all species and strains of "sillysybin" containing mushrooms bruise blue. I'll check back to see if someone answers that; I'd love to know as well.

But yeah, from what I've read on www.erowid.org, the blue bruising is a tell-tale sign that it has "sillysybin." Try to bruise them before you "attain" any of these mushrooms (where legal to do so).

I would also like to add to your questions and ask if these mushrooms bruise the same color blue whether they are fresh or dried. Do they bruise the same color either way? Same shade of blue?

It always pays to do your homework my friend


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #808936 - 08/10/02 02:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I hear tales of mushrooms that bruise, but are not safe to eat...


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #808955 - 08/10/02 02:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Do you mean dangerous ones that bruise blue?


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #808963 - 08/10/02 02:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Read this.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_field_guide1.shtml

This section covers blueing
-=- IDENTIFICATION PROLOGUE -=-

All of the psilocybin species described herein may be most conclusively
identified by an enzyme that occurs with the psilocybin. This enzyme turns
blue thru an oxidation process after the flesh of the mushroom is damaged.
Crack the stem to check for the reaction, which takes from 20 to 120 minutes
to occur. The blue is similar to blue ink, unless the flesh of the mushroom is
yellowish, in which case the color will appear blue-green. All psilocybin
mushrooms (with the exception of one uncommon species that is not covered in
this manual) turn blue in this manner. A few chemicals will speed up the
oxidation/bluing process but are not readily available. Because these
chemicals are unstable and are difficult to work with, to hassle with them in
the field, for most people, is not worth the trouble.
This natural bluing-reaction noted in the psilocybin species is also
noted in one other non-psychedelic genus. To even the least observant person
the difference in physical appearance is extremely obvious. The non-psilocybin
mushrooms that turn blue are: large, bulbous and usually very smooth. This
fat cap cannot be confused with the psilocybin cap. The cap and stem will be
yellow or yellow-brownish evenly over the entire surface. With age, the
specimens of this genus may be noted to turn blue on parts of the stem. The
underside of the cap has pores instead of gills. These pores, appearing as an
organic sponge, will be of the same color-range. The stem is proportioned like
the cap and is quite solid and fleshy. These species do not occur on dung but
may be located in pastures and lawns after rains.



Edited by Anonymous (08/10/02 02:44 PM)


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: Brukan]
    #808982 - 08/10/02 02:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Dried mushrooms won't bruise.
They may have streaks of blue from where the stain has dried.
It will be the same color.


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: ]
    #810095 - 08/11/02 04:43 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the helpful replies...

I have some other questions - why are "wet" shrooms (freshly picked?) less potent than dried shrooms? What is the wet shroom equivalent of an 1/8 of dried shrooms? Is the difference between wet and dried shrooms instantly obvious, and why?

Any replies are very helpful, so if you've got the time, please do...


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #810103 - 08/11/02 05:11 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

why are "wet" shrooms (freshly picked?) less potent than dried shrooms? What is the wet shroom equivalent of an 1/8 of dried shrooms?

Mushroom for mushroom, fresh are as potent (or more potent) than dry ones are.

By weight dry mushrooms are about 10 times more potent.

eg. 1g dry = about 10g wet

Fresh mushrooms are more than 90% water.


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: mirrorsaw]
    #810107 - 08/11/02 05:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Ah yes that makes a lot of sense...

I'm assuming that wet shrooms are a lot fuller and more plump, whilst dried shrooms are more spindly. Is there any difference in texture?


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #810242 - 08/11/02 07:57 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Bluing is an indication of the prescens of psilocine, not psilocybine and it indicates that some are potent shrooms.. Such as P. cyanescens, P. baeocystis and/or P. azurescens and other simialr woodland species. However, the most postent by dry weight listed in Stamets book and erified by ott and others for keeping their potency in dryying are the liberty cap mushrooms which do not stain blue bupnly becasue they are low in psilocine and high in psilpocybine.

Your body has to convert the psilocybine into psilocine through amination before you get off onthe shrooms so Bluing is basically not an indication of potency, although they are potent and do stain blue.

AS for the poisonoun staining mushrooms. I thik it is wrong to keep bringing up the Boletus species such as B. satanicus becasue theese shrooms have porous bottoms and lack gills and one thing in teaching other people to collect these shrooms is that you first tell them to pick only shrooms with dark gills and not to pick any other shrooms with poroys bottoms. That is a waste of time and confusing to a novice. He need not be concerned with boletus mushrooms aat all. Unless he is intersted inthe edible varieties.


When I take people out in the fall on a foray. I teach peole first what they sghould not pick. That immediately illiminates the danger.

And the Stropharias which Paul label as Psilocybe are still considered to be Stropharia by most mycologists and they are already blue to blue green such as Strophira aeuginosa, Stropharia cyanea etc. They do not stain blue bt already are blue,

mj


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #812068 - 08/12/02 05:59 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

OK just to finally get this straight...the mushrooms I'm looking for have gills, don't have a porous bottom to the stem, and will most likely stain blue when bruised. Since I'm getting dried shrooms, will I be able to check for the porousness (if that's a word! )? Also, what will the texture be like? Will they be brittle, or just less plump than fresh shrooms?

Quite a lot of questions there, I realise, but any help's appreciated...


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Re: Blue Bruising and its use in shroom identification [Re: bennyn]
    #812156 - 08/12/02 07:22 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Will they be brittle

If they have been properly dried they should be hard/brittle and not spongy.

You can sometimes find evidence of blue staining on dry mushrooms.

When you have dry mushrooms, to be certain of what species it is you may well need to look at the spores under a good microscope.

You will have to trust the person you get them from.



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