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OfflineMrNobody
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Stained blue = potency loss?
    #1392818 - 03/19/03 08:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

When a P. Cubensis mushroom has stained blue does this mean that that particular mushroom has lost potency?


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: MrNobody]
    #1393249 - 03/19/03 10:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

don't worry about it. if you eat a shroom with a few blue stains or not you won't notice the difference :laugh:


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: stefan]
    #1393983 - 03/20/03 05:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well...what if pretty much the whole thing is blue  :blush: 


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: MrNobody]
    #1394967 - 03/20/03 11:04 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Blueing is oxidation of psilocybin, psilocin wont do this. This is why mushrooms with more psilocybin to psilocin will blue easier. Now I'm not sure if oxidation of psilocybin means it turns into psilocin but it sounds pretty possible, that's what happens in the body anyway.


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #1395121 - 03/20/03 12:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

U sure it aint the other way around :wink:


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: mesq]
    #1395688 - 03/20/03 04:29 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

which part? Psilocybin turns into psilocin in your body by the time it gets to your brain, so the only active chemicle is psilocin.


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #1395800 - 03/20/03 05:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Blueing is actually oxidation of psilocin, psilocybin won't do this.
" Psilocybin and psilocin are part of the tryptamine family (indole (C8H7N) & ethylamine side chain). Chemically the only difference between psilocybin and psilocin is the presence of phoshoric acid in psilocybin which acts as a stabilizer. Psilocin is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation because it lacks this phoshoric radical
http://chemweb.calpoly.edu/chem/bailey/377/PapersSp2000/Tim/PoisonP.html


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: zeta]
    #1395991 - 03/20/03 06:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

So..once the psilocin in a mushroom is oxidized that mushroom has lost potency?


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: MrNobody]
    #1396003 - 03/20/03 06:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a hypothetical situation that never happened.

When my friend and I bought cubes off this hippie dude last time, he said "see these blue spots? Thats psylocybin man. These are the real deal"


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: Noviseer]
    #1396072 - 03/20/03 07:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, oxidised psilocin is useless.

The hippie is somewhat right... there's no such thing as a dry shroom without some amount of blueing. But it's not psiocybin you're seeing, it's the oxidation product of psilocin. There are actually unrelated mushrooms that bruise blue for entirely different reasons but these are hard to confuse with psilocybes.


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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: zeta]
    #1396123 - 03/20/03 07:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I would like to contend that it is not the psilocybin or the psilocin that causes the blueing reaction. I believe that it is indeed a seperate, non-active enzyme that is produced in the mushroom.

If we looke at thin layer chromatography on mushroom extract, the resulting products of active elements do not blue by themselves and actually require UV lighting and/or reactive chemicals to visually identify them. I will post sources to this later if anyone is interested.

Heres one quote not about TLC
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All of the psilocybin species described herein may be most conclusively identified by an enzyme that occurs with the psilocybin . This enzyme turns blue thru an oxidation process after the flesh of the mushroom is damaged. Crack the stem to check for the reaction, which takes from 20 to 120 minutes to occur. The blue is similar to blue ink, unless the flesh of the mushroom is yellowish, in which case the color will appear blue-green. All psilocybin mushrooms (with the exception of one uncommon species that is not covered in this manual) turn blue in this manner. A few chemicals will speed up the oxidation/bluing process but are not readily available. Because these chemicals are unstable and are difficult to work with, to hassle with them in the field, for most people, is not worth the trouble (Source)




Basically all I'm saying is that the amount of brusing and the darkness/heavyness of it does not conclusivly associate to the potency or loss thereof in the mushroom.

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Re: Stained blue = potency loss? [Re: JssMthrFcknChrst]
    #1398080 - 03/21/03 11:29 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

good to know


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