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OfflineRoger_irrelevant
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Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look.
    #689429 - 06/20/02 01:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok the site blue honey suggests that to make a good blue honey the ratio of 1/3 mushies to 2/3 honey should be used.
Say I have 450g of honey I would add 150g of mushies.
I consider a good psilocybin dose to be around 20mg (check erowid)
I would use psilocybe cyanescens so I could expect roughly 7mg per dried gram (check shroomery dosage calculator). So thats roughly 4g per dose which equates to 37.5 or 38 doses!!
So 38* 20*10 to the minus 3= 760mg of psilocybin, but I still can't figure out the concentration ie if using a 5ml/mg spoon how many spoonfuls would equal 1 dose at 20mg?
Ideally I would like 1 spoon (5ml) to equal one dose so I still need to do a bit of juggling with the honey to dried mass ratio.


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Edited by Roger_irrelevant (06/20/02 01:20 AM)


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #690506 - 06/20/02 02:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hmmm


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #690523 - 06/20/02 02:39 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

In reply to:

Ok the site blue honey suggests that to make a good blue honey the ratio of 1/3 mushies to 2/3 honey should be used.
Say I have 450g of honey I would add 150g of mushies.





If you have 150g of mushies....... 2/3 of honey = 300g, not 450g!


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Edited by DreaMaTrix (06/20/02 02:46 PM)


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #690533 - 06/20/02 02:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, 20 mg = 3 dried gram of cyanescens (7mg per gram)
3 gram of mushies = 9 gram of honey/mushies (3gram mush + 6 gram honey).

Thats as far as I get!

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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #690576 - 06/20/02 03:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok I see what you've done with the ratio thing, and thanks for correcting my original mistake . Working out a reliable concentration is gonna be tough


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #691573 - 06/20/02 10:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

First off, if you consider a good dose to be 20mg's of psylocibin then you're talking around 50 doses for 150 grams of dried mushroom. Not 37-38.

150 grams dried
7 mg's psyl. per gram
20mg = good dose
20 / 7 ~= 3
150 / 3 = 50

Secondly, use 300 g's of honey for 150 g's of shrooms. 2/3 + 1/3 = 300/450 + 150/450 =)

So you've got 5 milliliters of liquid, which is 5 milligrams of mush/honey mix, right? And you want to consume 20 mg's of the active chemical, and you've got 450 grams of liquid to work with... 20 spoonfulls would equal 100 milligrams or 1 gram. I would have to say you need 60 spoonfulls. Since 3 grams of shrooms would be equal to 21 mg's psylocibin. Of course.. the shrooms only occupy 1/3 of the total mass of the liquid so you need to triple that dosage. 180 spoonfulls.

Work it out, if you've got 450 grams of a liquid then 180 5mg spoonfulls will give you 50 20mg trips. =)

At least I think i'm right... I'm sure someone will check my math for me though =)

Something just occurered to me.. I don't think you can have 20 milligrams of the active chemical on a spoon that only holds 5 milligrams =) The very best you could do would be 4 spoonfulls. That's not so bad though.. shouldn't be too hard to figure out how to do that either, just change the amount of honey... to none. If you go 1/2 and 1/2 150grams shrooms and 150 grams honey you can do it in 120 spoonfulls. 1/3 honey for 2/3 mushies gives ya 60 spoonfulls. Etc, Etc, Etc... I would go 1/8th honey and and 7/8ths shrooms. Honey is very sweet and overpowers just about anything so it'll still taste alright and you'll be down to 15 spoonfulls instead of 180. Double the size of your spoon and you're down to 7 or 8... double that size again and you've got 4 spoonfulls. Oh and if you do it like that do 150 grams shrooms and 21.5 grams honey. 1/8 + 7/8 = 21.5/171.5 + 150/171.5 =)

And once again.. At least I think I am right.


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Chikhai]
    #691589 - 06/20/02 11:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think I'm seeing a few holes in my logic but I'm am too fucking baked right now to think about um... been smoking a bowl while typing all that jibber


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Chikhai]
    #691651 - 06/21/02 01:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No need to apologise Chikhai you got further than I did It made sense too but if your right it seems kind of pointless using honey in the first place unless your actually willing to eat a whole load of the suff.
Damn I might just try it anyway


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Chikhai]
    #691700 - 06/21/02 03:40 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

1) 5 milliliters of liquid does not equal 5 milligrams, it should be about 5 grams. that depends on the density of honey tho.

2) 100 mg does not equal 1 gram, it equals 0.1 grams

This is what i suggest:
measure out the volume of both the honey, and the mush powder. find out how many mL of mush/honey mix you have. since you have 150 grams of mushroom material, with 7 mg psilocybin per gram, and 20 mg is a dose, then you have 1050 mg total, and 52.5 doses. take the volume of the mixture in mL and divide it by 52.5, then take this answer and divide by 5, and you have the number of teaspoons per dose =p

this is correct i'm sure. but if you don't want to measure out the volume of the mixture you'll have to find the density of honey (by water displacement?) in order to figure the liquid volume per dose.

one more way to do this:
you have 150 g mushroom, and 300 g honey. at 7 mg a gram, you have 1050 mg psilly stuff, or 52.5 doses, as stated above. divide 450 by 52.5 and you have grams per dose, but you need a scale if you want to be able to weigh out doses.


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: too_many_weirdos]
    #691899 - 06/21/02 07:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Exellent too_many_weirdos, but I thought that 5ml was equal to 5mg as a five mg object would displace liquid by 5ml. Also aren't teaspoons measures quoted at 5ml/5mg?


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #691973 - 06/21/02 08:05 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Your confusing Volume with weight... The base is for water.
5mlwater = 5 g
5ml mercury = A hell of a lot more.


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Shdwstr]
    #692147 - 06/21/02 10:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Whoopsi


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #692702 - 06/21/02 03:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Looks like I might have struck gold, I put the feelers out and sent a pm to mariasabina in the hope that this intelligent lady would be able to shed some light on this rather sticky subject...
I've just received a top quality pm from mariasabina. Read on.

hey roger, so you're going to make blue honey... cool!

first of all, is the 7mg psilocybin per 1 g mushies in dry or wet weight? i'm assuming dry, but you want to make sure, so you don't under/overdose.

150 g shrooms * ( .007g psilocybin / 1 g shrooms) = 1.05 g psilocybin in total mixture

ok so say you've got 450 g honey, 150 g dry shrooms.... you'll have a total of 600 g blue honey.

so if you want to get a 20 mg dose of psilocybin:
1.05 g psilocybin / 600 g blue honey = .02 g psilocybin / X g
then X= roughly 11.5 g you want for a dose.

now converting this to mg/ml is a bit tricky, since the density of honey is different than the density of water. so.... the easiest way to do this is to make up your batch of blue honey, then see how many ml you have. then since you have 1.05 g of psilocybin, the concentration would be:

1050 mg psilocybin / whatever ml you have. you can extrapolate whatever dose you want by using

1050 mg psilocybin / X ml total mixture = 20 mg / X ml dose

for example, lets say you end up with 630 ml. then:

1050 mg psilocybin / 630ml = 20 mg / X dose
X= 12 ml, or just over 2 teaspoons needed for a 20 mg dose.

if you don't have anything to measure mls with, just go to your local pharmacy and ask for an empty container for dispensing syrups. they have striations that show mls. they'll probably just give it to you for free. they have different sizes... you'll probably want one of the larger ones, but try to get the closest size to what you need, as this will make the measurement more accurate. hope this helped.

I'll prbably go over it in the morning as theres little chance of me understanding it now, but I don't doubt her abilities.

Smart chicks are soooo cool


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Re: Blue honey calculation, logical thinkers look. [Re: Roger_irrelevant]
    #692713 - 06/21/02 03:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i just noticed that you want a 1/3 shroom and 2/3 honey ratio. in that case, you would use 150 g shrooms and 300 g honey. this would make a stronger concentration than my previous calculations. good luck


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