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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
All cultures are clear that you can't steal.


in some cultures they have no inclination to steal, it's foreign to them


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Sorry if you thought I was talking to you Wiccan_Seeker but I wasn't. But tell me how MULTI-million dollar corperations are worse of from me stealing a small amount of food? Humanities verdict that all stealing is wrong? Am I to follow the way of all humanity, and go by the most popular morals at the cost of survival? Hm.

Prisoner #1, I get the feeling that you think I'm stupid. Please, tell me how stealing $10 worth of food from Wild Oats, is hurting anybody? Whatever though, I don't really need to ask these questions. I would gladly, whole-heartedly give food to any good person in need, as long as I have food too.

Guess my mind just works on different principles, I'm a dreamer and a lover (not to say you people are not dreamers and lovers too!!!).

P.S. I said "SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS", which makes no sense :crazy:

Edit: The whole reason I posted the first post, is because I see people treating others harshly. There's no need for that, no need to make one feel inferior, even if you don't agree with their principles (and this isn't directed towards any one individual).


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Edited by KetamineKatalyst (02/03/08 07:50 PM)

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Kickle]
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Your a goddamn genius..

I prefer to label you as a,

Financial Guru of Preventing Worthless Spending


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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lol give me 3 years and a nice 40hr/week and i would be cheap and have a little bread in the bank too. i wouldn't have to steal to do it, either. and besides.. honestly, i'd rather be broke because of spending all my cash than be a cheap lying thief w/ 20 stacks in the bank

gl with that whole gig tho

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Every human on this planet has lied and stolen, that I guarantee you.

Even if it was just a cookie as a child which you then blamed on someone else.

Fact is nature feeds off nature. We kill animals and eat them.
One animal will steal another animals food. We are nature, like it or not we are part of this.

I have morals. My morals are don't hurt other people.


When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up. This is because the HUGE profits from these big companies have an amount allocated just for the established average yearly thefts. Me occasionally taking a few $ from a billion $ system makes no difference to the consumer. The difference it makes is how much extra profit from the theft allowance the company receives.

I cannot control all the people in an established theft industry.


I had to laugh Wiccan when you asked how it makes me look to take my own drink into a bar.

That goes to show that you care to much about how you look. Frankly I don't care. If somebody thinks that makes me scum, then it just shows up how stupid their opinions are. I find out their real thoughts and save money! Bonus.

I don't adhere to social pressure, I live how I see fit. If someone cannot trust me just because they BELIEVE they can label me then they are falling into a common trap of self deception.

Fact is nothing can be taken at face value. People are constantly changing, don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you. Equally don't assume that someone you've known your whole life will not run off with your wife if they get the opportunity. It can and does happen.

Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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and why shouldn't i be able to get food thats better for me? what, i dont deserve it? yeah i could go out n buy the food and put it back on the shelf (lol) but that would mean working more in a job and being more of a slave.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up. This is because the HUGE profits from these big companies have an amount allocated just for the established average yearly thefts.


How much such theft is there annually in all the world? Billions I tell you. That its factored in means people are already paying more. Stores keep their prices low to be competitive, if there was no theft prices would be lower. No security guards needed hiring. No cameras needed installed. All this costs the company money, and all the money they get from their customers. You are hurting the store, and through it the customers.

There's no free ride. The store bought that stuff and you are stealing it. It doesn't matter whether you steal from an old man's livingroom-sized shoppe or from a great multinational.  Stealing is stealing, if you steal from a collective you're stealing from people.

Some companies make the world a worse place. But you do too, because there is that bad company AND you're stealing. Stealing from them isn't making things any better. Would it be OK to kill a Mc Donalds employee? Ofcourse not! Killing is always wrong. Likewise, stealing is always wrong.

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I had to laugh Wiccan when you asked how it makes me look to take my own drink into a bar.

That goes to show that you care to much about how you look.


I'm trying to appeal to your common sense. That's like going to the movies and bringing your own movie :lol: Its just not dignified.

You want to enjoy a service (the pub) but you are the only one in the bar not sponsoring that service by buying their drinks. I bet your hand is in the free peanuts bowl all the time :crankey:

Shoplifting, scams and filling your own drinks in the pub with $20.000 in the bank. I dunno what to say man..  :nonono:

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don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you.


When I saw you posted I went over the thread to see if all the avatars are accounted for. If you're going to make a point, I'm wondering whether its yours to begin with :grin:

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I don't adhere to social pressure, I live how I see fit.


What you're doing is taking what is not yours and then justifying it. There are people who do this with rape and murder too, justifying it to themselves.

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When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up.


You yourself call it stealing.

Ego Death, you can get a criminal record. You can go to jail. Your precious $20K can be seized. Then what? Then all the sober living and all that will be overshadowed by the criminal things you did. And thats such a shame man. Quit while you're ahead.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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To settle the hobo dispute: are you in fact homeless?

And how much do you spend on recreational drugs each month? (weed, alcohol, tobacco, coffee everything)

Its a very Harry Anslinger thing to say buy you seem to have the erosion of social values thats typical for many stoners. Smoke any pot? With many potsmokers social conventions become negotiable, and thats where peoples rolling papers, lighters and baggies of herb go missing.


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Edited by Asante (02/04/08 02:25 AM)

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Fact is nothing can be taken at face value. People are constantly changing, don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you. Equally don't assume that someone you've known your whole life will not run off with your wife if they get the opportunity. It can and does happen.

Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.


Ever trust anybody? Must be a pretty lonely world you live in. Sure, frugality is a nice, sustainable lifestyle, but crime is not. A better quality of life can be obtained by reaping benefits of hard work and setting an example for others. Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Life is what you make it. All you touch and all you see is all youre life will ever be. If you want to make it a dog eat dog world for yourself, then it will be.

I think you had the right idea with the 'hobo' mindset, but you took it too far. Take everything with a grain of salt, and add it to the stew that is your life. Take the good, positive parts from your current philosophy and make it better for everyone around you. Search for balance, and you will find happiness.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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wow

I hope you change some day

Edited by moosehead (02/04/08 02:46 AM)

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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if there was no theft prices would be lower.


You still ignore my point.  I don't control the thousands of people that steal from large companies.  Your idea's are correct and I would love to live in an idealist world where no-body steals but we don't live in that world.  We live in a world were by one way or another everybody steals.

Big stores charge around 400% profit on some of their goods, so wheres the fairness in that?  Some company owner, sits in his cruise ship all day while hundreds of people slave there guts out for him to live that life.  Is that fair? 

Life isn't fair or fitting with your idealistic viewpoint - accept it.

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What you're doing is taking what is not yours and then justifying it.


Indeed thats what everybody does.  Do you think that person down the road really owns all that land?  Of course he doesn't.  Its just accepted through the complexities of human relationships in fight for territory.

In reality, nobody owns anything.



I appreciate your advice but I don't actually do anything illegal, so I won't goto jail or have my assets seized.  Lol.

I used to pinch from shops when I was piss poor, I don't bother now accept that one time when I was drunk and it was funny :grin:

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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I don't take any drugs anymore, I'm too old for that now.  I may still have a stoner attitude though lol, I did smoke it for years solid.

I spend about $10 a week on alcohol.  Thats my only spending of that nature.

No I'm no longer a hobo either, the advice is made for people who were poor and homeless (like I was) to get $$$ in the bank.  Now I got there, I just havn't changed all that much.  I still live like the hobo cuz I'm scared of being homeless.  I want enough money to never be scared again.  :crazy:

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Colbadol]
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I trust people. Just not enough to leave them with huge temptations that could allow them to make a bad decision.

Like I said, even the most trusted person can have a momentary lapse. Doesn't mean you shouldn't forgive either.

Just means, why leave you friend in the bedroom with your wife half naked when you go down the shop? When you could just get him to come with you or something. Know what I mean?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Fact is nature feeds off nature. We kill animals and eat them.


I kill animals and eat them, you steal animals and return them for a refund,
because of thieves I now have to carry ID to make a simple exchange in a store


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I cannot control all the people in an established theft industry.


it's not the others you should think about controlling, it's self control that
you need to excersize, let me ask, when you have kids are these the same sort ov
valuse you wish to teach them?



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Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.


you've judged yourself, you've confessed to being a thief, you've shown no
remorse, you've tried to justify it and vilify the store for charging you for
goods you they pay for, you should really consider this shit for your
shoplifting defense, judges like to hear the truth


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
I trust people. Just not enough to leave them with huge temptations that could allow them to make a bad decision.

Like I said, even the most trusted person can have a momentary lapse.



well, do you trust people or not? is stealing a bad decision now, before you
were praising thievery as the greatest thing since fire, is it right to deprive
others for your own personal gain? it make you no better than those huge
companies you're stealing from.



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Know what I mean?


yeah but I cant trust it, thieves are usually liars, you've reinforced that.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I don't want kids.

I judge theft to be part of nature, no matter how you wanna sugar coat it (apart from monks) everybody steals in some way or another.

Your stealing from the 3rd world right now. Theres people in China that are practically slave labour that made half on the nice things you have around you.

The world ain't fair get used to it.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I don't have a dualistic outlook. Theres a whole spectrum of possibility you are ignoring in favor of "do you" or "do you not".

Everybody lies. When you put on your business suit and goto work you are lieing. When you smile at your boss when you really think he's an arse, you are lieing.

Be honest with yourself. What I say is true - just generally considered not to be spoken.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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If someone steals from you, is it morally wrong to steal it, or something of equal value back?

Stealing from someone is wrong, yes.
He clearly stated that he does not steal from individuals. I can see how stealing from a large store may raise prices, but that is not stealing from individuals, only the corporation. The customers have a choice whether to shop there or not, and prices are clearly labeled.

Not to mention most stores buy items dirt cheap and can only sell at manufacturer's lowest price, and large companies will always have the lowest possible price in most cases.

I personally do not steal, and condemn anyone who steals from individuals...

but the whole black/white moral/immoral stuff is so primitive to me these days. We live once, in a world ruled by corruption.

Do you really think im going to pay some karma tax for stealing from a multi billion dollar company that steals natural resources from whole nations, forcing kids to work in sweat shops, so they can overcharge consumers?

You really think after paying $150 per ticket to see 1 man play guitar, you should have to pay $7 per 12 fluid oz of domestic beer. What is that, like 10,000,000% markup? Maybe they need the money to maintain the sports complex, oh wait...the tax payers already pay for it. I don't see anything wrong with sneaking in a bottle.

Lost unclaimed items will either be taken by someone else, or thrown away. What is wrong with taking them? Maybe we are not on the same page, but when I think lost...i mean lost and not able to be returned. Watching someone drop their wallet, and walking up behind them saying "finders keepers" has nothing to do with "lost" items.

I like the original post, lost of good stuff in there. People can take what they want, and leave the rest. No need to argue ethics on the internet for 2 pages. These are hard times, getting harder. I hope more people post methods on being thrifty.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Everybody lies. When you put on your business suit and goto work you are lieing.


What?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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Go figure.

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