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Tricks of the rich hobo
    #7970005 -

After years of living my hobo lifestyle I'm now a reasonably rich hobo.

I don't spend my money though, thats not part of the rich hobo ethics.

I've decided to share some of the hobo knowledge. You will live well yet spend little and gain much. May it serve you well...
(in no specific order)

Booze into pubs, always take cheap shop booze if your on a night out. Never pay crazy bar prices. I usually buy one drink and slyly top up the rest from my cheap stash of shop bought alcohol.

Steal but not from friends. Stealing is always good. It makes for fun and you get things you need for free. I will usually only steal from large companies that allow an annual theft budget. Always be cautious, only use tried and tested methods and make sure the penalties are not bad in case you do get caught. Never steal from friends, friends are far more valuable.

Finders keepers, always keep an eye out for "lost" items. If you can find them then take them.

Letters of complaint. If you've had problems with a company or product, (or can manifest a problem) then write a letter of complaint in your spare time. I've received numerous amounts of products and even money from my diligence.

Return goods. This is a variation on theft, many times I have returned goods to shops whilst keeping things I need. One of the best was obtaining an xbox hard disk. I returned the box without it, the store clerk was none the wiser.

If its free take it. The most important hobo rule. I have clothes given to me by friends, I have my friends old trainers. I have obtained loads of things that people throw away and re-sold them. I am always being given things that people don't want, especially computers. I either use them or sell them. Last week I saw a PC in somebodies trash, I salvaged it for working parts.

Save anything you can, tax free, high interest. I work a full time job as well as living my hobo lifestyle. Every bit of spare money is put into a high interest, tax free savings account. In my country, the best is currently ns&i at a rate of 6.21%. For 5000, I yield 20+ per month in interest.

Trusted lending. Good friends will occasionally take advantage of my thriftiness. I use this to my advantage too as they will offer to pay back more than they have borrowed. Remember - speculate to accumulate but be a wise judge of character.

Loopholes. These are endless. Theres always a new loop hole. One that I currently exploit is interest free credit cards. There are deals where I get interest free for 12 months. I just keep all the assets in my high interest account and shut down they card when the interest free period runs out. There are plenty of companies offering this but be careful. Do you math correctly and watch out for transfer fees etc. Make sure you WILL PROFIT.

Another loophole we often exploit is to obtain free food from MC'ds or burger king. To be honest, I hate these places but as a struggling hobo, I will often exploit them. All you have to do is complain that the meal you ordered earlier was missing a burger and fries. 9 times out of 10 they just hand the food straight over. There are more advanced methods though, such as looking at the name tags on a member of staff first and telling the person that, you bought it from them when they are off shift.


Keen eye. Whilst wandering charity shops, I have noticed very valuable items being sold for hardly anything. I once purchased a rare beetles record and sold it for 100's more than what I paid.

Fun is free. Remember a hobo doesn't need to spend money to have fun. Goto free parties, meet people, be sociable. You will have plenty of fun without spending money. Spending money is not fun. Its just an illusion, a form of false temporary satisfaction.

Blag you way in. You can lie to get into night clubs. Tell them you are a photographer for blah blah magazine. Pull a fast one, be creative, be confident. Failing is fun too. Succeeding is excellent!

Cheaper ways. Don't buy drink, home brew it and save a small fortune. Grow your own weed or only smoke it when its passed for free.

Buy second hand. Never buy something brand new if you can get something the same second hand. The key to this is checking what you are buying thoroughly. You will only get sold a broken model if you buy a broken model. Buying second hand goods where the owner still has and gives you the warranty is best.

Entrepreneur-ism. Adapt to your environment. If you see a niche, fill it! Start a business! Real money isn't made from working, its made by getting others to do the work for you.

Finally, realize that you will not be disrespected for living like this. I have found that most people actually admire the brilliance of the simplicity.

Please feel free to add your hobo tricks. Good luck and may we prosper!

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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this is pretty interesting


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: bmiles]
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freegan.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Steal but not from friends. Stealing is always good.
Finders keepers, always keep an eye out for "lost" items.



I detest a thief, if I know you'll steal from a store how can I be sure you wont
steal from me, how could I trust you as thieves are usually liars too and
wouldnt hesitate to lie about stealing from me...

plus it's certainly not worth the year of probation to clip a $20 item


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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agreed, large soulless businesses seem like they wouldnt care enough to let you off with a warning, theyd bring the hammer down and youre suffering legal repercussions

then again theres less bad vibes stealing from someplace thats expecting to be stolen from


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
then again theres less bad vibes stealing from someplace thats expecting to be stolen from


Well if that makes you feel better about...


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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Zinglons Acolyte said:
agreed, large soulless businesses seem like they wouldnt care enough to let you off with a warning, theyd bring the hammer down and youre suffering legal repercussions

then again theres less bad vibes stealing from someplace thats expecting to be stolen from


Liars and thieves can have morals and ethics too.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: recons]
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I don't feel bad about stealing every now and then.

Like he said not from friends of course. Although I must admit, and I'm ashamed of this, I've stolen weed from good friends before, basically by not giving them there shit back if they leave it at my house.  That phase of my character is long behind me though. :uptosomething:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
I've stolen weed from good friends before, basically by not giving them there shit back if they leave it at my house.


That's not stealing. That's receiving a gift. Good friends often leave their weed at their friend's house as a token of apreciation for hospitality received. Don't bring it up in conversation though. The gave it to you without saying a word, so it's best to respect their wishes and be discreet about it.

If they do bring it up, thank them profusely, telling them that receiving that weed is the nicest thing that has happened to you in a long time. They are SO kind and modest to leave such a great gift without making a fuss. How lucky you are to have such a good friend.

You see, with a bit of creative interpretation you can turn it into a positive thing.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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So in short you survive by being a scum bag.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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Yes, but in long, they're just tricks.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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I swear i read this somewhere else before.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Is scumbag one word or two?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Crasher]
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Crasher said:
I swear i read this somewhere else before.


Well obviously the OP isn't averse to stealing, so maybe he found it somewhere else. :lol:

jewunit:  one, I'm pretty certain.


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-Erik Davis

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: koppie]
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Agreed, sometimes my friends wordlessly thank me by leaving their pot / valuables out in the open when I'm visiting.

Of course, they were gracious enough to give me these things without egotistically offering them verbally to me so when they come back into the room and ask me where their stuff is I humbly thank them in return by remaining silent and shrugging my shoulders in mock innocence.

:rolleyes:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
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Yeah, scumbag passes spell check.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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So someone who lives thrifty is a scumbag?

I work a full-time job.

The key difference is I hardly spend any of my money.

I know people that live pay check to pay check, spening all there money on booze and DVD's. They are never getting anywhere in life and will most likely die poor without owning their own house or anything. To me, that is a worse option.

I feel no remorse from stealing from a shop. I'm the person who is laughing in the long run. If that makes you not trust me then that is your loss, my friends no me for my honesty and trustworthyness. Something which has grown over years. My good friends have been my friends for 5 years + some of them for most of my life.

You don't get probabtion in my country for stealing from shops. The police won't even deal with it unless its over $150 worth of goods.

Edited by Ego Death (02/03/08 09:46 PM)

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Some motherfucker jacked a whole half gallon of Soco from me at a party last night. I was pissed. Stealing from people isn't cool. Stores yes, although I probably never would.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Newbie]
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It's amazing how many lowlifes are in this thread.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Newbie]
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You didn't pay money to get where you are, you merely paid with your dignity.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
The key difference is I hardly spend any of my money and this has paid off - This scumbag has $20,000 in the bank from just 3 years of living like this.



only $20k? I have a 3.4 million net worth, no debt unless you count the $250k that
the IRS claims I owe, I spend, always have, paid cash for it all... the best part
I didnt steal shit from anyone, I have returned 'found' items to the individuals
that dropped them... and I sleep well at night knowing I'm not a piece of shit.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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I assume that includes yourself then?

With such scummy theads as...

Need help from L33T Hackers

Cowbell, bitches

Movies to Download (yes piracy is theft)

So I just applied at a Christian homeless shelter

Mushrooms are gay

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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How does someone called JewUnit had the ordacity to call anyone else scum lol :crazy:

Jewunit with classsic threads such as...

Fuck me in my tender asshole
^I'm not joking look at his main threads

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Newbie]
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Damn, I was hoping I would learn something from this. Too bad I already do most of it.

One word of advice I don't see is:

If you have old people in your family that go garage sailing GO WITH THEM!! Not only can they be cool (most of them. One of them was a douche, but he didn't go often.), you'll find out what to look for. Some of the dumbest looking lamps/vases/figurines/worthless shit can be worth lots. Or enough that you could make good money with volume. You'll learn names like Fenton, Enesco, Armani, Candelwick, Lofton and stuff like that.

I also know the secret of Ebay merchants. They go to closeout stores, or stores going out of business, or normal stores clearing out product buy everything then sell it. My aunt just spent $800 buying Target's after Christmas 80% off special. But she's a bitch and is going to pawn a lot of that off to those poor little kids at a Santa workshop. You know, when those old hags go to elementary schools and sell shitty shit for really expensive for kids to buy for their friends and family.

Don't be afraid to dumpster dive, or cash in metals or plastics either. Money is money.



Scumbagging it isn't so bad. As long as you don't hurt people, or steal with the exception of big companies if you absolutely need to. Money is money. As long as you don't infringe on other people's rights, there is no problem. Afterall business is about taking advantage of your environment. Not simply driving somewhere and doing something for 40 hours a week.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Movies to Download (yes piracy is theft)



really? I didnt actualy take anything, the company still has the shit, they still
sell it, how could it be theft if it's still where they left it?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
You didn't pay money to get where you are, you merely paid with your dignity.


So true.

I'd rather be poor and have dignity than be wealthy and soulless.

Scumbag would be an apt description of this supposed, "hobo," lifestyle. Since when does a real hobo have a fulltime job anyway? Methinks the somantics here are a bit off. I'd say... tightwad, thief, liar, trash perhaps?

There are a couple nuggets of wisdom in there, but o the whole worthless.


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Renegade heaps, humanity abandoned
Bower of the vowels, you lit them and fanned them.
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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: PyroBurns]
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PyroBurns said:
Scumbagging it isn't so bad. As long as you don't hurt people, or steal with the exception of big companies if you absolutely need to. Money is money. As long as you don't infringe on other people's rights, there is no problem.



what defines a big company? doesnt stealing hurt people and infringe upon their rights?

I see a problem


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: BurningBeard]
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BurningBeard said:
I'd rather be poor and have dignity than be wealthy and soulless.


I'd rather be dead than have my children believe me to be a thief or a liar


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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A big company is one that would have no problem losing a can of food here and a can of food there. Especially since they way overcharge on most items. And let companies false advertise about their food being good for you.

I never steal more than I need anyway. The only times I did was when I was starving badly and had little cash on me. The item wasn't much either. Still stealing, but at least I took the time to think about it. Of course, I haven't stole since like back in the fall.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: PyroBurns]
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Actually I lied. I remember now. It was maybe during the beginning of winter. I was at Panera bread, and grabbed a big cup to fill up with coffee without paying.

I would have felt worse if I was actually stealing something. What I did was pick up a cup that cost less than a penny to make, and filled it with water that had been poured over some cocoa beans which probably cost .00824 cents or less per serving.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: PyroBurns]
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I've found that you can often get what you need by asking, I was homeless and
hungry, I went to resturants and asked to do some work for food, I worked was fed
and got paid in many cases, some times they just fed me, I ended up living with a
gay man, he got me a job at the bar he managed, I made bank and everything was honest


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7972110 -

Yeah, I find that too. Knowing that people are humans is the best thing you can know.

When I treat people that way, things come together so much easier. Sadly most people think that when people are working they become mindless unflexible robots who call the cops when anything goes wrong. Which can happen, but is rare.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Maybe you oughta steal a dictionary

ho·bo (hō'bō)
n. pl. ho·boes or ho·bos

1. One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.
2. A migrant worker.

Perhaps a better term for your lifestyle would be shyster

shy·ster /ˈʃaɪstər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[shahy-ster]
–noun Informal.
1. a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.
2. a person who gets along by petty, sharp practices.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
Maybe you oughta steal a dictionary

ho·bo (hō'bō)
n. pl. ho·boes or ho·bos

1. One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.
2. A migrant worker.

Perhaps a better term for your lifestyle would be shyster

shy·ster /ˈʃaɪstər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[shahy-ster]
–noun Informal.
1. a lawyer who uses unprofessional or questionable methods.
2. a person who gets along by petty, sharp practices.




Yep. As I said above, the OP's somantics are fucked up.

Either way, theft is theft. There's no excuse for it, there's no ustification for it.. it is what it is.

And, the theft of IP, be that movies, music or otherwise is still theft.

Not gonna try and justify it, I still do it.

But taking that which you did not pay for and that which belongs to another to start with is theft.


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Renegade heaps, humanity abandoned
Bower of the vowels, you lit them and fanned them.
Mercury, the courier, celestial messenger
Bed with Dawn, your bride.
Arrowhead of Diane, pierce the mind of a man,
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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
I assume that includes yourself then?

With such scummy theads as...

Need help from L33T Hackers - I don't know what this topic was about, but I'm sure it has nothing to do with being a lowlife.

Cowbell, bitches - Relevance to the topic at hand?

Movies to Download (yes piracy is theft) - The companies were deprived of no tangible good. They were also deprived of no sales revenue since I wouldn't have bought these movies anyways.

So I just applied at a Christian homeless shelter - I know. It's real scummy to go help the homeless and starving. I bet it's a lot more classy to find ways to gain things I don't deserve, right?

Mushrooms are gay - Yep.


I can see the Mystic nutjob forum has degraded your arguing skills.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm!  :heart:

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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I dont even read the crazy talk forums anymore
too much pablum


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: idiotek]
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Hey there. What's new?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Quote:
Booze into pubs, always take cheap shop booze if your on a night out. Never pay crazy bar prices. I usually buy one drink and slyly top up the rest from my cheap stash of shop bought alcohol.


Wot? To someone who's on to you.. how does that make you look?

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I will usually only steal from large companies that allow an annual theft budget. Always be cautious, only use tried and tested methods and make sure the penalties are not bad in case you do get caught.


A thief is a thief. Know who you're stealing from? From every customer in the store. You are one of the reasons prices are going up.

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Return goods. This is a variation on theft, many times I have returned goods to shops whilst keeping things I need. One of the best was obtaining an xbox hard disk. I returned the box without it, the store clerk was none the wiser.


Thief.

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You can lie to get into night clubs. Tell them you are a photographer for blah blah magazine. Pull a fast one, be creative, be confident.


Liar.

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realize that you will not be disrespected for living like this.


I sure as hell think less of you.

Stealing's wrong man. You're saving money, but do so because you steal. And why? You've got some money, there's no need to sink to this level. Some of the stuff you do is good, other things are just.. wrong.

I can understand the needy stealing some food, but you got $20K and steal xbox harddisks.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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By judging another man for how he makes his way in life, its rather obvious that you have either never ever been in his situation in your life, or that you have and that your upset because hes taking a different route than you did.

If calling someone a thief and a liar makes you feel better about your own life and your route to success than by all means do it.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
How does someone called JewUnit had the ordacity to call anyone else scum lol :crazy:

Jewunit with classsic threads such as...

Fuck me in my tender asshole
^I'm not joking look at his main threads


What does my screen name have to do with that, and how does a thread entitled "Fuck me in my tender asshole" (which had to do with OSU losing their first football game this year to Illinois) have to do with anything?

Face it man, you get by in life by taking advantage of people. I don't care if you've saved money, that doesn't make what you're doing honorable. I've got money in my bank account too and I am glad to know that I didn't do it by being a scumbag.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
By judging another man for how he makes his way in life, its rather obvious that you have either never ever been in his situation in your life, or that you have and that your upset because hes taking a different route than you did.

If calling someone a thief and a liar makes you feel better about your own life and your route to success than by all means do it.


:lol:

I bet you're right. I'm sure Wiccan has never stole something unnecessary like an Xbox HD when he had $20,000 in the bank. Poor Ego Death. What a terrible position he is in.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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jewunit said:
Ego Death said:
How does someone called JewUnit had the ordacity to call anyone else scum lol :crazy:

Jewunit with classsic threads such as...

Fuck me in my tender asshole
^I'm not joking look at his main threads


What does my screen name have to do with that, and how does a thread entitled "Fuck me in my tender asshole" (which had to do with OSU losing their first football game this year to Illinois) have to do with anything?

Face it man, you get by in life by taking advantage of people. I don't care if you've saved money, that doesn't make what you're doing honorable. I've got money in my bank account too and I am glad to know that I didn't do it by being a scumbag.




Not only does he level ridiculous arguments, but he shows ignorance.


And, please learn to write words that you actually know.

ordacity = audacity. That burns my eyes.

And, clearly he's stealing the article itself. At least the real author had some semblence of vernacular and language. Spare me.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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Your definitions of a scumbag clearly differ...

I think if a mans honest about his faults and actions and is willing to take the bad parts of his choices hes not a scumbag....if he tries to lie and deny any of his actions...then hes a scumbag.

Being honest, is the act of not being fraudulent. If a thief takes something from you, but does not deny it in anyway, he is still honest.

Even people who work hard for their money can be dishonest and scumbags. Most just lie to themselves first, the rest just comes like clockwork at that point.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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You can be honest and still be scum. If I went and raped little boys and girls, but was up front about it, would I not still be a scumbag?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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He may be honest, but he's still scum from stealing from you in the first place.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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What if hes stealing food for his family to eat? or pet food for a dog he got when he was more financially well endowed? where do you draw the scumline so to speak?

Is it the motivation behind the theft itself? or is it merely the act itself?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
Your definitions of a scumbag clearly differ...

I think if a mans honest about his faults and actions and is willing to  take the bad parts of his choices hes not a scumbag....if he tries to lie and deny any of his actions...then hes a scumbag.

Being honest, is the act of not being fraudulent. If a thief takes something from you, but does not deny it in anyway, he is still honest.

Even people who work hard for their money can be dishonest and scumbags. Most just lie to themselves first, the rest just comes like clockwork at that point.


That, sir, is what we call rationalizing.

So, if I fuck people left and right with abandon, and own up to it... I'm magically not a bad person anymore?

Right. :shrug:

Nice try though.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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I don't even need to address that argument because it's not the case here. We don't have to speculate as to why he steals, he's already told us he's financially stable.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Didn't I also say:

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I can understand the needy stealing some food, but you got $20K and steal xbox harddisks.


Hmm now then..

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its rather obvious that you have either never ever been in his situation in your life


You mean his situation of having $20.000 in a high-interest account in the bank, yet he's stealing stuff?

Also, don't judge me and what I've been through either :smile:

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your upset because hes taking a different route than you did.


I'm "upset" because he steals without need, and justifies it to himself. I use these harsh words (which are entirely correct) hoping it will get him thinking and go further along the recycling/curbing consumerism road and abandon the road of being a crook.

Stealing is wrong, especially frivolous theft. If a true hobo, a homeless person, grabs a loaf of bread and makes a run for it I will step aside to let him flee the store. But underhandedly stealing xbox harddisks? Come in!

Oh and the true hobo that steals the bread.. he will feel BAD about having stolen, not brag about it to his mates.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Poor Ego Death. What a terrible position he is in.


it took him 3 years to get that $20k, he must be spending at least half to have so little, so much for a frugal hobo


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Hey there. What's new?


Nada, you ever move to that school in VA?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
What if hes stealing food for his family to eat? or pet food for a dog he got when he was more financially well endowed? where do you draw the scumline so to speak?

Is it the motivation behind the theft itself? or is it merely the act itself?


It's all in context. If someone has a job but hoards the money away or blows it on unnecessary shit and then steals thing, I think he or she is scum. The same applies if a person refuses to get a job and then claims he has to steal to survive.

There are other ways of surviving that stealing though. If you are starving, there are food kitchens that will serve you for free.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
What if hes stealing food for his family to eat? or pet food for a dog he got when he was more financially well endowed? where do you draw the scumline so to speak?

Is it the motivation behind the theft itself? or is it merely the act itself?


Theft is theft. The implications of fucking someone over still exist.

This is pretty simple.

The only difference in your scenario is the pity concept. The man who steals for his starving family is, in the eyes of some, worthy of pity.

But he's still a thief.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: idiotek]
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1d10t3k said:
Redstorm said:
Hey there. What's new?


Nada, you ever move to that school in VA?


Nah, I decided I'm not going to law school. I'm in the midst of the application process to go get my Master's, though. I've been accepted everywhere I've applied so far and have a few more schools to hear back from in March.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Stealing is wrong, especially frivolous theft. If a true hobo, a homeless person, grabs a loaf of bread and makes a run for it I will step aside to let him flee the store. But underhandedly stealing xbox harddisks? Come in!

Oh and the true hobo that steals the bread.. he will feel BAD about having stolen, not brag about it to his mates.


Your logic here is a bit flawed. First off, can you show me what a "true" hobo is and what qualifies you to make that decision?>

It seems to me your trying to play the judge and jury of right and wrong based on your experience and what you deem is right or wrong?

There is no universal code that says theft is wrong, and certainly not one that says only wiccan seeker shall aprove which is correct and which is immoral.

What I am trying to say, is that by making these judgments so quickly and without proper background information, it really does show a lot peoples moral superiority complexes.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: BurningBeard]
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BurningBeard said:
The man who steals for his starving family is, in the eyes of some, worthy of pity.

But he's still a thief.


if the man goes to jail for stealing to feed his family the courts show no
leniency, he still goes to jail, he now has probation, fines, restitution and
supervision fees to pay... it just got harder to feed his family, now he has to
steal more, the sentance will increase and his poor children may die

seems that if he's swallowed his pride he'd have what he needed and maybe
been given a chance to make a better life for them


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
There is no universal code that says theft is wrong


yes actually, there is, my people would cut your hands off for taking what is not yours


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
BurningBeard said:
The man who steals for his starving family is, in the eyes of some, worthy of pity.

But he's still a thief.


if the man goes to jail for stealing to feed his family the courts show no
leniency, he still goes to jail, he now has probation, fines, restitution and
supervision fees to pay... it just got harder to feed his family, now he has to
steal more, the sentance will increase and his poor children may die

seems that if he's swallowed his pride he'd have what he needed and maybe
been given a chance to make a better life for them


QFT! :thumbup:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: BurningBeard]
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I have a morality superiority complex


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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bullshit. We do have the background information and that is why it is so easy to judge Ego Death.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
BurningBeard said:
The man who steals for his starving family is, in the eyes of some, worthy of pity.

But he's still a thief.


if the man goes to jail for stealing to feed his family the courts show no
leniency, he still goes to jail, he now has probation, fines, restitution and
supervision fees to pay... it just got harder to feed his family, now he has to
steal more, the sentance will increase and his poor children may die

seems that if he's swallowed his pride he'd have what he needed and maybe
been given a chance to make a better life for them


Maybe the kids can swallow his pride for dinner instead of the cheap cuts of chicken their underpaid father had to steal because he couldn't afford enough for each of them.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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they cant swallow his anything because he didnt make it back to the car with those
cheap cuts of chicken, daddy got locked up again for stealing, now he's a habitual
violator, it's a felony, he'll be serving 2 years for $6 in pullet


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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his wife could have resorted to prostitution, that's a good income.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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This is going nowhere fast.

We can dance this dance all night and our legs will be sore tomorrow...

Or, I can say fuck this shit and follow my own moral code and let you follow yours.

I already had this debate in another thread a week ago. I've said what I'm gonna say on the matter.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: BurningBeard]
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Yup this argument is getting rather pointless rather quickly. You can tell because we've gone into an example thats been taken way farther than reality could ever take it :smile:.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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whilst

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Irdamage said:
Yup this argument is getting rather pointless rather quickly. You can tell because we've gone into an example thats been taken way farther than reality could ever take it :smile:.



to be honest.... it's an every day reality for a great many people, the number is growing daily. at christmas I spent $2300 on a family I knew nothing about, a mother with 4 kids, she has Multiple Sclerosis and her husband just bailed out,
leaving a month of rent due and the bank account.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
to be honest.... it's an every day reality for a great many people, the number is growing daily. at christmas I spent $2300 on a family I knew nothing about, a mother with 4 kids, she has Multiple Sclerosis and her husband just bailed out,
leaving a month of rent due and the bank account.


Good on ya mate. I admire the good nature of your generosity, frankly if more people did things like this on a regular basis their wouldn't be as much of a need for crime. But most cases aren't always so black and white unfortunately.

The people in my life who are suffering from poverty work very hard but their pay stubs do not equally represent the work put in. While their bosses usually flaunt their wealth to the world. Granted we are all still very young, but the distribution of wealth is so scattered, and the means of producing it are so varied that to make a judgment call on how someone earns it is a very ballsy position to take.

I wish that I could afford to be more generous with my money, because I feel it helps people much more quickly and directly than only being able to offer my emotional support and what work I can do...but I myself am still young and poor, so what can I do?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
A thief is a thief. Know who you're stealing from? From every customer in the store. You are one of the reasons prices are going up.


I can't believe Wiccan is the only one who has made this point so far. I get so sick of seeing all these neo-hippies justify stealing from "big evil soulless corporations" because it doesn't hurt anyone.

There is no free lunch, people. Stealing from a store just raises the prices for all the law abiding customers who actually pay for their stuff.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: belligerent]
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Yeah. clearly the OP is living the lifestyle of a video game character. Like in Morrowind or Oblivion, you steal from everything cause...it's not real and the only goal is to gain money. In the real world there are ALWAYS victims.


The OP is a shyster.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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lol, my kinda guy.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
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Your logic here is a bit flawed.


I think the problem is you are following the path of logic away from the real world. In the real world there are hard limits, whereas in a game of logic everything can be kneaded in any shape you want it to be.

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First off, can you show me what a "true" hobo is and what qualifies you to make that decision?


Hobo is a word, and a word has a definition. Something either fits the definition or not.

Quote:
ho·bo      (hō'bō)
  1. One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.


Ego Death doesn't do that. He has $20.000 in the bank and buys Xbox harddisks. That sir is not a hobo.

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thief      (thēf) 
One who steals, especially by stealth.


Ego Death takes other peoples property and makes it his. If its in the store, it is the property of the store. The store paid their supplier for the goods. Only buying from the store transfers legal ownership. Ego Death takes but doesn't pay. By stealth. That makes him a thief.

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li·ar      /ˈlaɪər/
a person who tells lies.


Ego Death by his own admission tells lies to get access to clubs etc. That makes him a liar.

"thief" and "liar" are words that bear emotional charge. But they also bear a meaning. Ego Death by his actions fits that meaning. I'm not condemning him with passing judgement, its his own actions that condemn him, I'm just using the non-sugarcoated words that come along with those actions.

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There is no universal code that says theft is wrong


Yes there is. Every culture on the good earth frowns on the practice. Try going to some faraway country and steal the wool off somebody's sheep, or the eggs from his basket at the market. There definitely is a universal code that says theft is wrong.

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There is no universal code that says only wiccan seeker shall aprove which is correct and which is immoral.


Ofcourse there isn't, but if you ignore the peeps from the internet and ask 100 people anywhere in the real world, I'm confident 95 of them will say stealing is wrong, and that if you take from a merchant without paying, you are in fact stealing.

Quote:
by making these judgments so quickly and without proper background information, it really does show a lot peoples moral superiority complexes.


What's that? Can you speak a little louder, I can't hear you from my high horse :grin:

Your argument is moot IR. He gave us sufficient information to assess that he in fact steals and lies, as defined by the dictionary. All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade and hoping to accomplish that he cleans up his act.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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im nothin but a scum bag too


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
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im nothin but a scum bag too



Scum bag is a moral judgement, and highly subjective. I'm not going there. But a thief one either is or isn't, as per a clear-cut definition.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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i dont think anything i 've ever done was wrong


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
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Thats highly subjective too :wink:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Ego Death doesn't seem like a piece of shit to me, doesn't mean I agree with all that he's said. But why judge him so harshly, so as to make him feel bad? Is he a threat to you, your friends or family? I just think it's real harsh to judge him so hard, and you've never even hung out with him. Do you get some sort of gratification by dissing him? I've barely been on this forum and I already can't believe how many people speak so harshly of others.

Honestly I don't think it's wrong to steal food from some company like Wild Oats or Whole Paycheck *cough cough*. I don't steal anymore but there have been desperate times when I really needed something to eat and stole from the above mentioned stores. Then I got caught for stealing $10 worth of food, I was in a tight spot, and I ran when they shouted at me, then they caught up to me and threw a fucking lasso around my neck! Tightened it, then basically dragged me back to the store. Later got fined up the wazoo for it. Haven't stole a thing since. If the food wasn't so fucking expensive in the first place, I'd be able to buy it.

SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS. I should've whooped the fucking shit outta those 2 dudes and/or burnt the place down (haha joking, but I thought about it).

Now to go on-topic. A good "hobo trick" is dumpster diving at health food stores (or at some other stores too I bet). It's really not that gross most of the time (although it sure can be), but sometimes you can get enough healthy food to last you a couple weeks! Haven't done this in ages, haven't needed to, but it's a good "skill" to have when you're in a tight spot. Sure beats the hell out of stealing.

To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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Ego Death doesn't seem like a piece of shit to me


I don't consider him a POS, but by his own admission he does steal so that does make him a thief.

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But why judge him so harshly


I'm not judging, I'm applying the correct label.

If someone kills somebody, it isn't judging to call him a murderer. It is mere statement of fact. The same with stealing and being a thief.

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Honestly I don't think it's wrong to steal food from some company


But it is! Says who? Says 95% of all people that ever lived. Stealing something at walmart is the modern-day equivalent of grabbing a chicken on the village market and making a run for it. The chicken was meant to be sold, not taken. The merchant is worse off because of the theft.

All cultures are clear that you can't steal.

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FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS.


If you want to mess with big corporations bigtime, buy stuff from them and then sneak it back onto their shelves. Their inventory doesn't check out in a way that doesn't compute :awesome:

But nobody is doing that are they? What they are doing is using anti-corporation sentiments as a false flag for ordinary petty theft for their own personal gain.

Stealing is wrong, thats not my verdict it's Humanity's.

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I was in a tight spot, and I ran when they shouted at me, then they caught up to me and threw a fucking lasso around my neck! Tightened it, then basically dragged me back to the store.


Do you live in Texas? :wink:

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To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.


When the "rebels of society" are robbing you blind I wonder if you'll reconsider.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
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KetamineKatalyst said:
If the food wasn't so fucking expensive in the first place, I'd be able to buy it.



there's more than one place to shop, you dont have to find the most expensive
one do you? most countries on this planet have some stuff called dirt, you put
seeds in this stuff and green things come up where the seeds once were, a few
months later flowers appear and soon after the honey bees have their way with
the flowers strange things begin to form, I call these things food

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SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS.


yeah, swiping a $20 CD from walmart is really sticking it to the man

stealing food I can almost understand, the humanitarian in most of us would feed
you if you were hungry, that's where I start to lose that understanding, I know
what desperation is, I know hunger and poverty quite well. you dont have to
steal to survive, there's hundreds of ways to get what you need.



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To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.



dont be jealous of me, I made piss poor decisions about business, I'm half a
million into this venture and it's going to be 3 more years (already been 3)
before It even starts to generate revenue. yeah, 6 years to recieve my first
dollar and it'll probably be several more before there's a profit and by then
I'll be in for another $250k.


good luck with school and your future, remember where you've been because
it'll be your drive to get where you need to go


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
All cultures are clear that you can't steal.


in some cultures they have no inclination to steal, it's foreign to them


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Sorry if you thought I was talking to you Wiccan_Seeker but I wasn't. But tell me how MULTI-million dollar corperations are worse of from me stealing a small amount of food? Humanities verdict that all stealing is wrong? Am I to follow the way of all humanity, and go by the most popular morals at the cost of survival? Hm.

Prisoner #1, I get the feeling that you think I'm stupid. Please, tell me how stealing $10 worth of food from Wild Oats, is hurting anybody? Whatever though, I don't really need to ask these questions. I would gladly, whole-heartedly give food to any good person in need, as long as I have food too.

Guess my mind just works on different principles, I'm a dreamer and a lover (not to say you people are not dreamers and lovers too!!!).

P.S. I said "SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS", which makes no sense :crazy:

Edit: The whole reason I posted the first post, is because I see people treating others harshly. There's no need for that, no need to make one feel inferior, even if you don't agree with their principles (and this isn't directed towards any one individual).


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Kickle]
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Your a goddamn genius..

I prefer to label you as a,

Financial Guru of Preventing Worthless Spending


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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lol give me 3 years and a nice 40hr/week and i would be cheap and have a little bread in the bank too. i wouldn't have to steal to do it, either. and besides.. honestly, i'd rather be broke because of spending all my cash than be a cheap lying thief w/ 20 stacks in the bank

gl with that whole gig tho

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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Every human on this planet has lied and stolen, that I guarantee you.

Even if it was just a cookie as a child which you then blamed on someone else.

Fact is nature feeds off nature. We kill animals and eat them.
One animal will steal another animals food. We are nature, like it or not we are part of this.

I have morals. My morals are don't hurt other people.


When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up. This is because the HUGE profits from these big companies have an amount allocated just for the established average yearly thefts. Me occasionally taking a few $ from a billion $ system makes no difference to the consumer. The difference it makes is how much extra profit from the theft allowance the company receives.

I cannot control all the people in an established theft industry.


I had to laugh Wiccan when you asked how it makes me look to take my own drink into a bar.

That goes to show that you care to much about how you look. Frankly I don't care. If somebody thinks that makes me scum, then it just shows up how stupid their opinions are. I find out their real thoughts and save money! Bonus.

I don't adhere to social pressure, I live how I see fit. If someone cannot trust me just because they BELIEVE they can label me then they are falling into a common trap of self deception.

Fact is nothing can be taken at face value. People are constantly changing, don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you. Equally don't assume that someone you've known your whole life will not run off with your wife if they get the opportunity. It can and does happen.

Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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and why shouldn't i be able to get food thats better for me? what, i dont deserve it? yeah i could go out n buy the food and put it back on the shelf (lol) but that would mean working more in a job and being more of a slave.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up. This is because the HUGE profits from these big companies have an amount allocated just for the established average yearly thefts.


How much such theft is there annually in all the world? Billions I tell you. That its factored in means people are already paying more. Stores keep their prices low to be competitive, if there was no theft prices would be lower. No security guards needed hiring. No cameras needed installed. All this costs the company money, and all the money they get from their customers. You are hurting the store, and through it the customers.

There's no free ride. The store bought that stuff and you are stealing it. It doesn't matter whether you steal from an old man's livingroom-sized shoppe or from a great multinational.  Stealing is stealing, if you steal from a collective you're stealing from people.

Some companies make the world a worse place. But you do too, because there is that bad company AND you're stealing. Stealing from them isn't making things any better. Would it be OK to kill a Mc Donalds employee? Ofcourse not! Killing is always wrong. Likewise, stealing is always wrong.

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I had to laugh Wiccan when you asked how it makes me look to take my own drink into a bar.

That goes to show that you care to much about how you look.


I'm trying to appeal to your common sense. That's like going to the movies and bringing your own movie :lol: Its just not dignified.

You want to enjoy a service (the pub) but you are the only one in the bar not sponsoring that service by buying their drinks. I bet your hand is in the free peanuts bowl all the time :crankey:

Shoplifting, scams and filling your own drinks in the pub with $20.000 in the bank. I dunno what to say man..  :nonono:

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don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you.


When I saw you posted I went over the thread to see if all the avatars are accounted for. If you're going to make a point, I'm wondering whether its yours to begin with :grin:

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I don't adhere to social pressure, I live how I see fit.


What you're doing is taking what is not yours and then justifying it. There are people who do this with rape and murder too, justifying it to themselves.

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When you look at it technically stealing does NOT put the price up.


You yourself call it stealing.

Ego Death, you can get a criminal record. You can go to jail. Your precious $20K can be seized. Then what? Then all the sober living and all that will be overshadowed by the criminal things you did. And thats such a shame man. Quit while you're ahead.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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To settle the hobo dispute: are you in fact homeless?

And how much do you spend on recreational drugs each month? (weed, alcohol, tobacco, coffee everything)

Its a very Harry Anslinger thing to say buy you seem to have the erosion of social values thats typical for many stoners. Smoke any pot? With many potsmokers social conventions become negotiable, and thats where peoples rolling papers, lighters and baggies of herb go missing.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Fact is nothing can be taken at face value. People are constantly changing, don't assume that because someone steals from a shop they will steal from you. Equally don't assume that someone you've known your whole life will not run off with your wife if they get the opportunity. It can and does happen.

Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.


Ever trust anybody? Must be a pretty lonely world you live in. Sure, frugality is a nice, sustainable lifestyle, but crime is not. A better quality of life can be obtained by reaping benefits of hard work and setting an example for others. Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Life is what you make it. All you touch and all you see is all youre life will ever be. If you want to make it a dog eat dog world for yourself, then it will be.

I think you had the right idea with the 'hobo' mindset, but you took it too far. Take everything with a grain of salt, and add it to the stew that is your life. Take the good, positive parts from your current philosophy and make it better for everyone around you. Search for balance, and you will find happiness.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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wow

I hope you change some day

Edited by moosehead (02/04/08 02:46 AM)

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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if there was no theft prices would be lower.


You still ignore my point.  I don't control the thousands of people that steal from large companies.  Your idea's are correct and I would love to live in an idealist world where no-body steals but we don't live in that world.  We live in a world were by one way or another everybody steals.

Big stores charge around 400% profit on some of their goods, so wheres the fairness in that?  Some company owner, sits in his cruise ship all day while hundreds of people slave there guts out for him to live that life.  Is that fair? 

Life isn't fair or fitting with your idealistic viewpoint - accept it.

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What you're doing is taking what is not yours and then justifying it.


Indeed thats what everybody does.  Do you think that person down the road really owns all that land?  Of course he doesn't.  Its just accepted through the complexities of human relationships in fight for territory.

In reality, nobody owns anything.



I appreciate your advice but I don't actually do anything illegal, so I won't goto jail or have my assets seized.  Lol.

I used to pinch from shops when I was piss poor, I don't bother now accept that one time when I was drunk and it was funny :grin:

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
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I don't take any drugs anymore, I'm too old for that now.  I may still have a stoner attitude though lol, I did smoke it for years solid.

I spend about $10 a week on alcohol.  Thats my only spending of that nature.

No I'm no longer a hobo either, the advice is made for people who were poor and homeless (like I was) to get $$$ in the bank.  Now I got there, I just havn't changed all that much.  I still live like the hobo cuz I'm scared of being homeless.  I want enough money to never be scared again.  :crazy:

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Colbadol]
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I trust people. Just not enough to leave them with huge temptations that could allow them to make a bad decision.

Like I said, even the most trusted person can have a momentary lapse. Doesn't mean you shouldn't forgive either.

Just means, why leave you friend in the bedroom with your wife half naked when you go down the shop? When you could just get him to come with you or something. Know what I mean?

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Fact is nature feeds off nature. We kill animals and eat them.


I kill animals and eat them, you steal animals and return them for a refund,
because of thieves I now have to carry ID to make a simple exchange in a store


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I cannot control all the people in an established theft industry.


it's not the others you should think about controlling, it's self control that
you need to excersize, let me ask, when you have kids are these the same sort ov
valuse you wish to teach them?



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Judging people is the deception. Self deception. Reality is awareness of possibility. Expect the unexpected.


you've judged yourself, you've confessed to being a thief, you've shown no
remorse, you've tried to justify it and vilify the store for charging you for
goods you they pay for, you should really consider this shit for your
shoplifting defense, judges like to hear the truth


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
I trust people. Just not enough to leave them with huge temptations that could allow them to make a bad decision.

Like I said, even the most trusted person can have a momentary lapse.



well, do you trust people or not? is stealing a bad decision now, before you
were praising thievery as the greatest thing since fire, is it right to deprive
others for your own personal gain? it make you no better than those huge
companies you're stealing from.



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Know what I mean?


yeah but I cant trust it, thieves are usually liars, you've reinforced that.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I don't want kids.

I judge theft to be part of nature, no matter how you wanna sugar coat it (apart from monks) everybody steals in some way or another.

Your stealing from the 3rd world right now. Theres people in China that are practically slave labour that made half on the nice things you have around you.

The world ain't fair get used to it.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I don't have a dualistic outlook. Theres a whole spectrum of possibility you are ignoring in favor of "do you" or "do you not".

Everybody lies. When you put on your business suit and goto work you are lieing. When you smile at your boss when you really think he's an arse, you are lieing.

Be honest with yourself. What I say is true - just generally considered not to be spoken.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
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If someone steals from you, is it morally wrong to steal it, or something of equal value back?

Stealing from someone is wrong, yes.
He clearly stated that he does not steal from individuals. I can see how stealing from a large store may raise prices, but that is not stealing from individuals, only the corporation. The customers have a choice whether to shop there or not, and prices are clearly labeled.

Not to mention most stores buy items dirt cheap and can only sell at manufacturer's lowest price, and large companies will always have the lowest possible price in most cases.

I personally do not steal, and condemn anyone who steals from individuals...

but the whole black/white moral/immoral stuff is so primitive to me these days. We live once, in a world ruled by corruption.

Do you really think im going to pay some karma tax for stealing from a multi billion dollar company that steals natural resources from whole nations, forcing kids to work in sweat shops, so they can overcharge consumers?

You really think after paying $150 per ticket to see 1 man play guitar, you should have to pay $7 per 12 fluid oz of domestic beer. What is that, like 10,000,000% markup? Maybe they need the money to maintain the sports complex, oh wait...the tax payers already pay for it. I don't see anything wrong with sneaking in a bottle.

Lost unclaimed items will either be taken by someone else, or thrown away. What is wrong with taking them? Maybe we are not on the same page, but when I think lost...i mean lost and not able to be returned. Watching someone drop their wallet, and walking up behind them saying "finders keepers" has nothing to do with "lost" items.

I like the original post, lost of good stuff in there. People can take what they want, and leave the rest. No need to argue ethics on the internet for 2 pages. These are hard times, getting harder. I hope more people post methods on being thrifty.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
Everybody lies. When you put on your business suit and goto work you are lieing.


What?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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Go figure.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Well, can you elaborate?
I can see what you're saying with the second part, but how is dressing nice and holding down a job lying?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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Wearing that suit is purposefully misleading.

Most people assume you are professional yet you may not be. You are actually the same as everybody else, you are prone to the possibility of all the same human traits.

Yet somehow the majority of people have been trained to believe certain things about a suited person.

The suit is a bad example because you may or may not be deliberately deceiving, but you see what I'm getting at?
Lies, deception are everywhere. Its just a case of what deception is acceptable to the individual.

The example of a false smile or a white lie is probably better.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Seems like the problem would be in the person accepting stereotypes surrounding those who wear suits, not the people wearing the suits themselves. I mean, if I'm lying by wearing a suit, then I'm lying by being white. I may or may not be a stereotypical white guy, but since I am white people have preconceived notions of who I am as a person. That's not my fault, that's theirs.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
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:biggrin:  i dont eat animals


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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You're blinded by your own bullshit.

I hope you get caught. Part of the increased cost on goods is spent to catch thieves such as yourself. While it is a headache paying higher prices, It's nice to know that some of my hard earned money is spent catching thieving pieces of shit.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
You're blinded by your own bullshit.

I hope you get caught. Part of the increased cost on goods is spent to catch thieves such as yourself. While it is a headache paying higher prices, It's nice to know that some of my hard earned money is spent catching thieving pieces of shit.


The thing is, it's obviously NOT spent on catching thieves. The company is basically just like "well fuck it"

They put in some cameras and maybe a security guard but the fact is that most of the time people don't get caught. How many times have you been in a store where the door alarm goes off and they just wave them through? Personally, I've seen that happen a lot. I've seen it happen with people who are actually stealing.

The fact of the matter is a large corporation doesn't care about you, the little guy. The extra money that is built into the price of the item doesn't go toward catching thieves, as you suggest, it goes into the company's collective pocket. They are screwing YOU as the consumer, whether they're screwed or not.

Look at gas prices.

Gas is an inelastic commodity. If the price of gas goes up, the demand doesn't change. People NEED to get to work. People keep buying gas whether it's a dollar a gallon or ten dollars a gallon. They are keeping us dependent on this.

Large companies know this and they take advantage of consumers, exploiting their needs for a profit.

So if you think that that extra few cents you are paying for them to raise the price on things is going to deterring theft you are sadly mistaken.

Companies are just sticking the consumer with their losses.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Bandersnatch]
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You really don't know much. People get caught stealing all the time. Preventative measures don't catch everyone, but they do catch people. Thieves eventually get caught.

When you steal you know there's risk involved. Businesses spend money to increase that risk and apparently the risk has gotten to high for Mr. $20,000 millionaire hobo. That's if the liar was even telling the truth when he said he doesn't steal anymore.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Cowgold]
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Cowgold said:
You really don't know much. People get caught stealing all the time. Preventative measures don't catch everyone, but they do catch people. Thieves eventually get caught.

When you steal you know there's risk involved. Businesses spend money to increase that risk and apparently the risk has gotten to high for Mr. $20,000 millionaire hobo. That's if the liar was even telling the truth when he said he doesn't steal anymore.


They do get caught stealing, sure. It's just that they spend a lot less than they could if they really wanted to prevent it.
The money that is budgeted in for theft doesn't go for more security measures, it goes back to pad their profits from the theft.

If they actually used that money toward more preventative measures theft would decrease and so would prices.

This doesn't happen however, stores just assume theft will happen and they will prevent what they can, which is a minimum.

He admitted to being a thief, he just doesn't share the same point of moral view as most others. It's really not my business whether he steals or not. He is the one taking that risk, not I.

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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Bandersnatch]
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:lol: you expect me to trust a corporation to DROP the prices of necessary goods like food if we stopped stealing? sure just like when their is a surplus of food they drop it. or when people own property that no one lives in, i'm sure people let homeless squat their.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
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yeah, i doubt big corporations really give a shit about people. people are greedy, and the more money you have the better off you are, why wouldn't people just steal money from you? a 400% markup is better than 200%.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: SleepyF0x]
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the thing is, i dont care much about money. i just hate having a job. i just want to bounce all over the world when im still at the peak of my youth, then around 35 or 40, live on a big land off the grid making food and building my own house. its been what i 've wanted since i was in grade school.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: recons]
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recons said:
Zinglons Acolyte said:
agreed, large soulless businesses seem like they wouldnt care enough to let you off with a warning, theyd bring the hammer down and youre suffering legal repercussions

then again theres less bad vibes stealing from someplace thats expecting to be stolen from


Liars and thieves can have morals and ethics too.


Bombs can fail to go off. Let's see you hug a ticking bomb. No, really, I'll make one for you, hug it. Hug the bomb!

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Ego Death said:
Movies to Download (yes piracy is theft)



really? I didnt actualy take anything, the company still has the shit, they still
sell it, how could it be theft if it's still where they left it?


You merely fondled a copy of it. No harm done unless it decides to go sentient and sue you for harassment.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Konnrade]
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some one who seals cant have morals :lol:? im glad its subjective. i consider my self to be very moral. back in the bay when i dont have a job, i tend to spend my time with food not bombs. sometimes when i jack food (like this past sunday) i 've made food and shared it with many others. I dont steal from people, only large corporations that have a large surplus of goods meant to be sold at a profit, and if not, thrown away (dont believe me? i've had 3 grocery stores hide their dumpsters and/ or get a locked compactor since i've moved to london a few months ago).
      im always down to let people borrow shit (or have) from me if im not using it. just before i moved, i gave away my pressure cooker, my hepa flow hood, half O of weed, spore print, and a lot of other things just cause i wasnt going to use them anymore. when i've had a car, ill always pick up a hitcher. i also consider the act of eating meat and animal products to be immoral and quit imbibing in them. i stand against wars and slavery. i try not to support a system i feel is wrong. i also get involved with many other projects around the bay, like helping others fix their bikes in my community.
  i dont drop this shit in an attempt to boost my ego, merely as an example that, yes, some one like me exists. i steal shit, and i feel as though i have very high morals. what can i say, i feel offended when some one tells me that i cant have good morals or ethics because i steel from corporations :ohwell:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
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The point of the post is that yes they can have morals, but it's understandable not to trust that they do and that the morals will shelter you from being their victim... just like it makes sense not to trust that the bomb will be a dud, and hug it.

Plus I was being an asshole. I like to do that.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Konnrade]
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:etbig:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
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impgl said:
i consider my self to be very moral.



So does every Taliban member. Doesn't mean our morals are compatible.


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impgl said:
im glad its subjective.



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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
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Ego Death said:
You don't get probabtion in my country for stealing from shops.  The police won't even deal with it unless its over $150 worth of goods.


2 girls I know got busted stealing a packet of crisps and a drink from marks ands spencers (which came to about £1.20) and ended up spending 6 hours in a cell because of it :shrug:

However, interestingly, they both had bait shit on them.. and the pigs didn't even touch it.. They even left a spliff in their grinder..:shrug:


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hug
the
bomb

:suicidebomber:


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