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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
    #7972367 - 02/03/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

bullshit. We do have the background information and that is why it is so easy to judge Ego Death.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7972368 - 02/03/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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BurningBeard said:
The man who steals for his starving family is, in the eyes of some, worthy of pity.

But he's still a thief.




if the man goes to jail for stealing to feed his family the courts show no
leniency, he still goes to jail, he now has probation, fines, restitution and
supervision fees to pay... it just got harder to feed his family, now he has to
steal more, the sentance will increase and his poor children may die

seems that if he's swallowed his pride he'd have what he needed and maybe
been given a chance to make a better life for them




Maybe the kids can swallow his pride for dinner instead of the cheap cuts of chicken their underpaid father had to steal because he couldn't afford enough for each of them.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
    #7972379 - 02/03/08 10:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they cant swallow his anything because he didnt make it back to the car with those
cheap cuts of chicken, daddy got locked up again for stealing, now he's a habitual
violator, it's a felony, he'll be serving 2 years for $6 in pullet


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7972381 - 02/03/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

his wife could have resorted to prostitution, that's a good income.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
    #7972382 - 02/03/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is going nowhere fast.

We can dance this dance all night and our legs will be sore tomorrow...

Or, I can say fuck this shit and follow my own moral code and let you follow yours.

I already had this debate in another thread a week ago. I've said what I'm gonna say on the matter.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: BurningBeard]
    #7972393 - 02/03/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yup this argument is getting rather pointless rather quickly. You can tell because we've gone into an example thats been taken way farther than reality could ever take it :smile:.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Ego Death]
    #7972421 - 02/03/08 11:02 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

whilst


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
    #7972482 - 02/03/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Irdamage said:
Yup this argument is getting rather pointless rather quickly. You can tell because we've gone into an example thats been taken way farther than reality could ever take it :smile:.





to be honest.... it's an every day reality for a great many people, the number is growing daily. at christmas I spent $2300 on a family I knew nothing about, a mother with 4 kids, she has Multiple Sclerosis and her husband just bailed out,
leaving a month of rent due and the bank account.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #7972617 - 02/03/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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to be honest.... it's an every day reality for a great many people, the number is growing daily. at christmas I spent $2300 on a family I knew nothing about, a mother with 4 kids, she has Multiple Sclerosis and her husband just bailed out,
leaving a month of rent due and the bank account.




Good on ya mate. I admire the good nature of your generosity, frankly if more people did things like this on a regular basis their wouldn't be as much of a need for crime. But most cases aren't always so black and white unfortunately.

The people in my life who are suffering from poverty work very hard but their pay stubs do not equally represent the work put in. While their bosses usually flaunt their wealth to the world. Granted we are all still very young, but the distribution of wealth is so scattered, and the means of producing it are so varied that to make a judgment call on how someone earns it is a very ballsy position to take.

I wish that I could afford to be more generous with my money, because I feel it helps people much more quickly and directly than only being able to offer my emotional support and what work I can do...but I myself am still young and poor, so what can I do?


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
    #7972774 - 02/03/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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A thief is a thief. Know who you're stealing from? From every customer in the store. You are one of the reasons prices are going up.




I can't believe Wiccan is the only one who has made this point so far. I get so sick of seeing all these neo-hippies justify stealing from "big evil soulless corporations" because it doesn't hurt anyone.

There is no free lunch, people. Stealing from a store just raises the prices for all the law abiding customers who actually pay for their stuff.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: belligerent]
    #7973001 - 02/03/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. clearly the OP is living the lifestyle of a video game character. Like in Morrowind or Oblivion, you steal from everything cause...it's not real and the only goal is to gain money. In the real world there are ALWAYS victims.


The OP is a shyster.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: jewunit]
    #7973073 - 02/03/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

lol, my kinda guy.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Irdamage]
    #7973915 - 02/03/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Your logic here is a bit flawed.




I think the problem is you are following the path of logic away from the real world. In the real world there are hard limits, whereas in a game of logic everything can be kneaded in any shape you want it to be.

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First off, can you show me what a "true" hobo is and what qualifies you to make that decision?




Hobo is a word, and a word has a definition. Something either fits the definition or not.

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ho·bo      (hō'bō)
  1. One who wanders from place to place without a permanent home or a means of livelihood.




Ego Death doesn't do that. He has $20.000 in the bank and buys Xbox harddisks. That sir is not a hobo.

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thief      (thēf) 
One who steals, especially by stealth.




Ego Death takes other peoples property and makes it his. If its in the store, it is the property of the store. The store paid their supplier for the goods. Only buying from the store transfers legal ownership. Ego Death takes but doesn't pay. By stealth. That makes him a thief.

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li·ar      /ˈlaɪər/
a person who tells lies.




Ego Death by his own admission tells lies to get access to clubs etc. That makes him a liar.

"thief" and "liar" are words that bear emotional charge. But they also bear a meaning. Ego Death by his actions fits that meaning. I'm not condemning him with passing judgement, its his own actions that condemn him, I'm just using the non-sugarcoated words that come along with those actions.

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There is no universal code that says theft is wrong




Yes there is. Every culture on the good earth frowns on the practice. Try going to some faraway country and steal the wool off somebody's sheep, or the eggs from his basket at the market. There definitely is a universal code that says theft is wrong.

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There is no universal code that says only wiccan seeker shall aprove which is correct and which is immoral.




Ofcourse there isn't, but if you ignore the peeps from the internet and ask 100 people anywhere in the real world, I'm confident 95 of them will say stealing is wrong, and that if you take from a merchant without paying, you are in fact stealing.

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by making these judgments so quickly and without proper background information, it really does show a lot peoples moral superiority complexes.




What's that? Can you speak a little louder, I can't hear you from my high horse :grin:

Your argument is moot IR. He gave us sufficient information to assess that he in fact steals and lies, as defined by the dictionary. All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade and hoping to accomplish that he cleans up his act.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
    #7973985 - 02/03/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

im nothin but a scum bag too


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
    #7974004 - 02/03/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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im nothin but a scum bag too





Scum bag is a moral judgement, and highly subjective. I'm not going there. But a thief one either is or isn't, as per a clear-cut definition.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
    #7974014 - 02/03/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i dont think anything i 've ever done was wrong


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: impgl]
    #7974021 - 02/03/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thats highly subjective too :wink:


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: Asante]
    #7974062 - 02/03/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ego Death doesn't seem like a piece of shit to me, doesn't mean I agree with all that he's said. But why judge him so harshly, so as to make him feel bad? Is he a threat to you, your friends or family? I just think it's real harsh to judge him so hard, and you've never even hung out with him. Do you get some sort of gratification by dissing him? I've barely been on this forum and I already can't believe how many people speak so harshly of others.

Honestly I don't think it's wrong to steal food from some company like Wild Oats or Whole Paycheck *cough cough*. I don't steal anymore but there have been desperate times when I really needed something to eat and stole from the above mentioned stores. Then I got caught for stealing $10 worth of food, I was in a tight spot, and I ran when they shouted at me, then they caught up to me and threw a fucking lasso around my neck! Tightened it, then basically dragged me back to the store. Later got fined up the wazoo for it. Haven't stole a thing since. If the food wasn't so fucking expensive in the first place, I'd be able to buy it.

SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS. I should've whooped the fucking shit outta those 2 dudes and/or burnt the place down (haha joking, but I thought about it).

Now to go on-topic. A good "hobo trick" is dumpster diving at health food stores (or at some other stores too I bet). It's really not that gross most of the time (although it sure can be), but sometimes you can get enough healthy food to last you a couple weeks! Haven't done this in ages, haven't needed to, but it's a good "skill" to have when you're in a tight spot. Sure beats the hell out of stealing.

To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
    #7974138 - 02/03/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Ego Death doesn't seem like a piece of shit to me




I don't consider him a POS, but by his own admission he does steal so that does make him a thief.

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But why judge him so harshly




I'm not judging, I'm applying the correct label.

If someone kills somebody, it isn't judging to call him a murderer. It is mere statement of fact. The same with stealing and being a thief.

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Honestly I don't think it's wrong to steal food from some company




But it is! Says who? Says 95% of all people that ever lived. Stealing something at walmart is the modern-day equivalent of grabbing a chicken on the village market and making a run for it. The chicken was meant to be sold, not taken. The merchant is worse off because of the theft.

All cultures are clear that you can't steal.

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FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS.




If you want to mess with big corporations bigtime, buy stuff from them and then sneak it back onto their shelves. Their inventory doesn't check out in a way that doesn't compute :awesome:

But nobody is doing that are they? What they are doing is using anti-corporation sentiments as a false flag for ordinary petty theft for their own personal gain.

Stealing is wrong, thats not my verdict it's Humanity's.

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I was in a tight spot, and I ran when they shouted at me, then they caught up to me and threw a fucking lasso around my neck! Tightened it, then basically dragged me back to the store.




Do you live in Texas? :wink:

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To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.




When the "rebels of society" are robbing you blind I wonder if you'll reconsider.


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Re: Tricks of the rich hobo [Re: KetamineKatalyst]
    #7974278 - 02/03/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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If the food wasn't so fucking expensive in the first place, I'd be able to buy it.





there's more than one place to shop, you dont have to find the most expensive
one do you? most countries on this planet have some stuff called dirt, you put
seeds in this stuff and green things come up where the seeds once were, a few
months later flowers appear and soon after the honey bees have their way with
the flowers strange things begin to form, I call these things food

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SO FUCK THESE BIG COOPERATIONS.




yeah, swiping a $20 CD from walmart is really sticking it to the man

stealing food I can almost understand, the humanitarian in most of us would feed
you if you were hungry, that's where I start to lose that understanding, I know
what desperation is, I know hunger and poverty quite well. you dont have to
steal to survive, there's hundreds of ways to get what you need.



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To you entrepreneurs and business owners, I envy you. I'm starting college soon, and aim to have my own business off the ground in the next 7-8 years.





dont be jealous of me, I made piss poor decisions about business, I'm half a
million into this venture and it's going to be 3 more years (already been 3)
before It even starts to generate revenue. yeah, 6 years to recieve my first
dollar and it'll probably be several more before there's a profit and by then
I'll be in for another $250k.


good luck with school and your future, remember where you've been because
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