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Euthanasia
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An internet friend of mine had his beloved relative kind-of die yesterday.

Basically what happened is that his lungs collapsed while in the hospital, which was discovered too late.

At the moment he is as good as dead, and will never recover consciousness due to brain damage. The only reason he is not dead is because he is hooked up to life support.

Because Euthanasia is not allowed where he lives, his basically-dead relative will be kept on life support, with no chance of recovery or even consciousness, and will probably be transferred to a nursing home to basically be an unconscious vegetable on life support for God knows how long.

Sometimes dead is better, and if it weren't for the machines he would've died that day.

I can't get over how cruel this is, to keep his soul captive in a broken body, and to keep his family and loved ones frozen in their grieving process. His suffering is arguably over (but is it?) but his family will suffer all the more for days, weeks, months, or how long the doctors are planning to drag out this dying process.

Sometimes dead is better.

I think it would be best for all involved if his heart gave out soon because of the full life support. Release his soul. Release his family and loved ones. With nothing to gain and everything to lose - Enough is enough. His own body pulled the plug with no hope of recovery, the doctors should follow suit.

Euthanasia - the right to Die in Peace.

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Euthanasia - where do you stand?
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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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Ah, ye old classic quandary.

I for one totally agree with you. The scary concept is to think just how plugged in (no pun intended) a person actually is on life support. How much are they aware of etc. etc. I always had this awful fear of being completely aware, but unable to communicate it to my friends/family. That would be the closest thing to hell I could possibly imagine I think.

I'm with you on this.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Euthanasia - the right to Die in Peace.


it's a sad day in the world when we euthanize animals to end their suffering
but we cant do the same for our loved ones that may be terminally ill, instead
politicians, lawyers and the 'religious right' have deemed it to be murder

My sister had an auto accident in september, it broke her up pretty bad, they
held her in intensive care for a week and she was recovering pretty well
considering the severity of the head trauma, 2 days after they moved her from
ICU to a normal room she had a stroke, she was brain dead but of course they
put her on life support. We honored her wishes by having them remove her from
the machines, she didnt want to be a burden to anyone, luckily we had that option.




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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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what is the country he lives in? Even in bass ackwards US we can take a family member off of life support if we choose/they choose not to be on it...

best wishes to your friend and his family

peace

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: supra]
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A similar thing happened to my grandpa, luckily they found out his lungs were collapsed before he was completely brain dead.

He layed there without oxygen for quite a long time, they thought he was a previous stroke victim ( he cant open his hands since birth and looks a little deformed ) so they didn't take any notice to him gasping for air and being incoherent......

"fortunatly" his wife wanted his money, so she didn't bother to tell the nurse he wasn't a stroke victim the entire time....once me and my mom showed up we starting flipping out as to why he was just laying in a bed gasping for air.....

He's probably only 1/3 as intelligent as he was before that.....

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: vandago]
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I don't know about souls or anything like that, but if a person has no chance of recovering, they should be taken off life support. It is nothing but a waste of money and hospital space.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Redstorm]
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it's also a drain on the family emotionally and financially, if the family wishes
them to remain on life support then that's up to them, if the patients wishes were
to be removed or they have a DNR order, even the family should respect that.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Prisoner#1]
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:thumbup:

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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I believe in the right to die with dignity. I am all for euthanasia and depending how my life goes I may utilize the option one day.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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Well, the situation resolved itself :frown:

Nature took over and his relative passed away last night despite life support. There was no suffering.

Rest In Peace.


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Well, the situation resolved itself :frown:

Nature took over and his relative passed away last night despite life support. There was no suffering.

Rest In Peace.



Sadly that is a good thing to hear, My thoughts and prayers go out to that person.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: MOTH]
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If you feel strongly about this, I highly recommend drafting a living will. You can give a copy to your doctor, have your local hospital keep it on file, and place it with your important documents in an envelope marked "in case of my permanent incapacitation."

Here's a link: http://www.uslivingwillregistry.com/forms.shtm

This is especially important if you know that your family disagrees with you about death with dignity. They will be the ones to make decisions for you when you can't make them for yourself.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: DiabloSmurf]
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whatever happened to DNR orders? people should think about this kind of stuff before going into a hospital. even if your only going in to get something as simple as an apendectomy done shit can still happen. doctors are human and can make big fuck ups sometimes.. on the other hand shit like what happened to your friends friend happens sometimes too.

sorry to hear about the passing though.


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Diploid: I think adults have a right to make stupid decisions and it's nobody else's fucking business.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: mycopsycho]
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IAmTheSickness said:
doctors are human and can make big fuck ups sometimes..


doctors are human and sometimes their negligent as opposed to dilligent as in the
case of my sister, she was in the ICU for 3 days before they cleaned the blood off
from the accident, that was only after my mother ripped the attending a new ass
3 days later her close friend, a registered nurse with 20 years in the field
begged the doctors to do another cat scan and MRI because she observed that
something was not right, they decided to postpone it for 3 more days, she was
brain dead 6 hours later.

people dont understand why I refuse treatment from the medical profession, I'm
yet to meet a doctor that isnt a fuckup. I've met only one that actually
listened to his patients and only one that deviated from the norms of medical science


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
IAmTheSickness said:
doctors are human and can make big fuck ups sometimes..


doctors are human and sometimes their negligent as opposed to dilligent as in the
case of my sister, she was in the ICU for 3 days before they cleaned the blood off
from the accident, that was only after my mother ripped the attending a new ass
3 days later her close friend, a registered nurse with 20 years in the field
begged the doctors to do another cat scan and MRI because she observed that
something was not right, they decided to postpone it for 3 more days, she was
brain dead 6 hours later.

people dont understand why I refuse treatment from the medical profession, I'm
yet to meet a doctor that isnt a fuckup. I've met only one that actually
listened to his patients and only one that deviated from the norms of medical science


yeah i've only met one dilligent doctor and he was a family practitioner anways so its not like he got into surgery or anything.


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Diploid: I think adults have a right to make stupid decisions and it's nobody else's fucking business.

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Re: Euthanasia [Re: mycopsycho]
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a disclaimer on a medical for for one hospital actually stated "medicine is not
an exact science" and went to say that inaccurate diagnosis' are fairly common


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Re: Euthanasia [Re: Prisoner#1]
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medicine is not an exact science? you would think that after all the money people spend to go to college for it and all the years that they have to go you woudl THINK that its an exact science by now. thats a very disheartening thing to see on a fucking medical bill/statement. doctors have never really had my respect considering they take the doctors oath yet their main drive is always money. utter BS.


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