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Asante
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Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand?
#10086830 - 04/01/09 12:12 PM (15 years, 3 hours ago) |
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In February 1995, a man committed suicide on parkland in Canberra, Australia. He took a pump action shotgun and shot himself in the chest. The load passed through the chest without hitting a rib, and went out the other side. He then walked fifteen meters, reloaded, leaned the shotgun against his throat, and shot his throat and part of his jaw. Breathing through this gunshot-inflicted tracheotomy, he reloaded, walked 136 meters to a hill slope, lay down on the slope, held the gun against his chest with his hands and operated the trigger with his toes. This shot entered the thoracic cavity and demolished the heart, killing him.
Surely that's not the way.
Euthanasia - doctors using medical procedure to humanely end a patients life.
Where do you stand?
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10086848 - 04/01/09 12:16 PM (15 years, 3 hours ago) |
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I was going to make some stupid joke about youth in asia, but decided not to.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Platinum]
#10086863 - 04/01/09 12:18 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago) |
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Platinum said: I was going to make some stupid joke about youth in asia, but decided not to.
When I was a kid, I was in Sunday school and the Sunday school teacher was railing on euthanasia, I had never heard of it, and inquired what was so bad about helping kids in Asia.
Everyone else in there was a couple years older than me, and they had a good laugh at my expense. I got up, told them they were all niggers, spit on the floor and walked out.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10086888 - 04/01/09 12:22 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago) |
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All for it.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#10086929 - 04/01/09 12:30 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago) |
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WhiskeyClone said: All for it.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#10086939 - 04/01/09 12:32 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago) |
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Kill 'em all, god will know his own.
I'm fine with it being illegal, if someone really wants to off them self it's not like the law is really going to stand in their way.
It's a pretty dumb law over all, but "legalizing" it would IMO set a precedent for some pretty scary stuff.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10087186 - 04/01/09 01:25 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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euthanasia... another issue that doesn't even deserve to be an issue.
brings me back to the ol' personal freedom shpeel(sp?)
"people should have the freedom to do as they please with their own body so long as they aren't harming anyone else in the process"
(emotional harm DOES NOT count!)
no valid reason necessary for euthanasia. if it seems like a good day to die, then be my guest. greener pastures, my friend.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: two_rivers]
#10087205 - 04/01/09 01:28 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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But then they recycle you into Soylent Green!
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: DragonChaser]
#10087222 - 04/01/09 01:31 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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As long as there is a humane standard, I don't care. But I think it should be reserved for those in extreme circumstances such as HIV or cancer.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: ethnoguy]
#10087246 - 04/01/09 01:35 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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In February 1995, a man committed suicide on parkland in Canberra, Australia. He took a pump action shotgun and shot himself in the chest. The load passed through the chest without hitting a rib, and went out the other side. He then walked fifteen meters, reloaded, leaned the shotgun against his throat, and shot his throat and part of his jaw. Breathing through this gunshot-inflicted tracheotomy, he reloaded, walked 136 meters to a hill slope, lay down on the slope, held the gun against his chest with his hands and operated the trigger with his toes. This shot entered the thoracic cavity and demolished the heart, killing him.
if somebody wants to do it its their business, it still isnt a great solution but when there are no other options
. . . . still it makes me wonder why that guy shot himself 3 times instead of once in the head
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Spiderbaby]
#10087273 - 04/01/09 01:40 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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He may have wanted to leave a face for an open casket funeral... I guess he could have put it in his mouth... How the hell did he manage to shoot his chest? I don't think my arms are long enough to point a shotty at my own chest.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10087283 - 04/01/09 01:42 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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Picture the day when anyone can go into any hospital to get offed. Wouldn't that be awesome? It will probably be 18 and older
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: King Koopa]
#10087320 - 04/01/09 01:51 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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King Koopa said: Picture the day when anyone can go into any hospital to get offed. Wouldn't that be awesome? It will probably be 18 and older
and cost money too
i agree with blewmeanie, if someones gonna do it i dont think the law is gonna stand in there way(can only be punished after the fact). besides, who wants to die in a hospital bed when you could FLY!! if only for a moment.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Windmiller]
#10087324 - 04/01/09 01:52 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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Windmiller said:
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King Koopa said: Picture the day when anyone can go into any hospital to get offed. Wouldn't that be awesome? It will probably be 18 and older
and cost money too
Not if you're an organ donor.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: niteowl]
#10087343 - 04/01/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago) |
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: wrestler_az]
#10087616 - 04/01/09 02:49 PM (15 years, 28 minutes ago) |
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It should be legal
It's their life, their reason shouldn't be anyone's concern. Legal euthanasia would eliminate things like the above, where he shot himself several times, and allow a certain quick death.
Well, my grat granpa went by shotgun, I didn't know him though, nd my uncle may have killed himself(accidental OD?), and my friend's dad blew his brains out on the lawn, but I never met him, so I just put no.
Chances are I'll off myself at some point, or do something that causes it, I mean, someone wanted to fight me because I returned to a party after having weed, some wigger fuck. I mean, if he was any more crazy and had a gun, I'd be fucked.
The Two_rivers guy said it best.
I am against animal euthanasia though, because they don't get to choose, the same with children unless they ask without coercion.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: doom876]
#10087631 - 04/01/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 23 minutes ago) |
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I'm all for it. I also want my will to put in writing that if (god forbid) I ever become a vegetable on life support...pull the plug man.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Drunken_Jester]
#10087707 - 04/01/09 03:08 PM (15 years, 9 minutes ago) |
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I don't see what the problem is if the patient is competent and decides for themselves. There is the issue of doctors not being allowed to kill a patient due to the oath, but there are ways around that.
There should be a waiting period of some sort, however.
People shouldn't have to suffer when they die, and some deaths are slow and painful. Wouldn't you rather have a loved one go in peace?
I think the best way to go would be a nitrous oxide chamber, which the person could press the button for themselves.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Green_T]
#10087774 - 04/01/09 03:17 PM (15 years, 32 seconds ago) |
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What I have never understood is, most of the people who are against euthanasia, are all for putting a suffering pet down.
How can you have more compassion for an animal than you do for a family member?
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: niteowl]
#10088047 - 04/01/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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If someone wants to die then let them. There should be walk in euthanasia clinics as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: doom876]
#10088120 - 04/01/09 04:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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doom876 said: I am against animal euthanasia though, because they don't get to choose
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: DragonChaser]
#10089493 - 04/01/09 07:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Obviously you're pro euthanasia pretty much all your questions lead to that point and making poll very skewed. Also, with you little paragraph to start this whole topic.
It is pretty much wrong.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10089524 - 04/01/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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In February 1995, a man committed suicide on parkland in Canberra, Australia. He took a pump action shotgun and shot himself in the chest. The load passed through the chest without hitting a rib, and went out the other side. He then walked fifteen meters, reloaded, leaned the shotgun against his throat, and shot his throat and part of his jaw. Breathing through this gunshot-inflicted tracheotomy, he reloaded, walked 136 meters to a hill slope, lay down on the slope, held the gun against his chest with his hands and operated the trigger with his toes. This shot entered the thoracic cavity and demolished the heart, killing him.
OH SHIT..man that is like the most hardfuckingcore way of dying..
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10089577 - 04/01/09 07:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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In February 1995, a man committed suicide on parkland in Canberra, Australia. He took a pump action shotgun and shot himself in the chest. The load passed through the chest without hitting a rib, and went out the other side. He then walked fifteen meters, reloaded, leaned the shotgun against his throat, and shot his throat and part of his jaw. Breathing through this gunshot-inflicted tracheotomy, he reloaded, walked 136 meters to a hill slope, lay down on the slope, held the gun against his chest with his hands and operated the trigger with his toes. This shot entered the thoracic cavity and demolished the heart, killing him.
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dude should get some kind of award for pulling that off. That or it was a homicide investigation done by 8 year olds.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Calix]
#10089650 - 04/01/09 07:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am all for it ,they need to herd them in like buffalo and kill a few thousand a day. The economy would be right on track again,problem solved.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10090032 - 04/01/09 08:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i always though this would be cool
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: DragonChaser]
#10096396 - 04/02/09 06:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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doom876 said: I am against animal euthanasia though, because they don't get to choose
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php
Yeah, not reading about it. It's still killing without choice, same as murder, same as rape in thought. I like animals, but I think Peta is a misguided, hurtful group that makes all animal rights advocates look like dicks while supporting animal castration, and euthanasia. They are a bunch of self-righteous pricks; I even read once that a high ranking person their sid they wanted to eliminate all domestic animals "neuter neuter neuter".
Change the situation, help the animal, be responsible, punish, I mean punish those who mistreat animals, kids, and people who can't stand up for themselves. For example, if you go and shoot someone's pet, or beast your wife, you should be put to death. "Take them behind the barn", that's what gramps said. I know if anyone hurt my family, or dog I'd take my bat, follow them, and bash their arms and legs to splinters.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: doom876]
#10096551 - 04/02/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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So if you had a pet that had been mortally wounded and the vet said that there was nothing more he could do for it...
you would let it suffer until it died?
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10096586 - 04/02/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm all for it, so long as there are certain checks and balances to ensure decisions are informed. it becomes a bit grayer with something like mental illness - e.g., somebody in the throes of a serious depression may want to die, but do they have the mental capacity to make that choice? i definitely think it should be legal in all cases (at least suicide shouldn't be illegal), and like most things, that money should instead be spent on education and social programs to ensure something like euthanasia is used only when it is really the best decision for an individual to make.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: Asante]
#10096600 - 04/02/09 07:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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There should be suicide clinics where you can just go in and have a doctor euthanize you.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: niteowl]
#10096764 - 04/02/09 07:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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niteowl said: So if you had a pet that had been mortally wounded and the vet said that there was nothing more he could do for it...
you would let it suffer until it died?
I'd do my best to make it comfortable, probably spike its food with lots of pot, and let it die naturally. It was good enough for gramps to die gargling on his own lung fluid, drugged beyond coherency, it's good enough for my pet. Death is god's place, and I am not god(or christian, I'm using god as an abstract concept rather then a deity)
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: doom876]
#10096796 - 04/02/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm all for euthanasia if a person really wants it. there would have to be a waiting period, though. 1-3 months for the person to really think about life and decide if it was what they wanted.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: sam.larone]
#10096879 - 04/02/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: Kill 'em all, god will know his own.
I'm fine with it being illegal, if someone really wants to off them self it's not like the law is really going to stand in their way.
It's a pretty dumb law over all, but "legalizing" it would IMO set a precedent for some pretty scary stuff.
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doom876 said: It should be legal
It's their life, their reason shouldn't be anyone's concern. Legal euthanasia would eliminate things like the above, where he shot himself several times, and allow a certain quick death.
Well, my grat granpa went by shotgun, I didn't know him though, nd my uncle may have killed himself(accidental OD?), and my friend's dad blew his brains out on the lawn, but I never met him, so I just put no.
Chances are I'll off myself at some point, or do something that causes it, I mean, someone wanted to fight me because I returned to a party after having weed, some wigger fuck. I mean, if he was any more crazy and had a gun, I'd be fucked.
The Two_rivers guy said it best.
I am against animal euthanasia though, because they don't get to choose, the same with children unless they ask without coercion.
It's also about weather they will try to stop you, or commit you for attempting it. Like my friend who was sent to a mental place because he mentioned killing himself.
euthanasia isn't about suicide it's about whether or not doctors, or anyone in general should be allowed to assist someone in commiting suicide.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: doom876]
#10096908 - 04/02/09 08:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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where are all the people that voted no and definitely no? I would like to hear one valid argument on why you think it should remain illegal. Also, leave fairytales out of it please...
Its ridiculous that we can take care of our animal beings that are suffering in a way that will never end by putting an end to it, but people, we leave on machines for months at a time since they can't breathe for themselves...just let them go already, I would rather be dead than writhing in pain for the final 6 months of my life, let me remember my most recent times as good, not a greuling, drawn out process of death.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: sam.larone]
#10096918 - 04/02/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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The fact is, the most common method here is the handgun, and that is around 90% successful, I don't want the other 10% to suffer, if you wanna die let it be over and done with with a safe shot sold conveniently near the hotdogs and DARE t-shirts.
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Re: Euthanasia - where does the Shroomery stand? [Re: supra]
#10096957 - 04/02/09 08:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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supra said: where are all the people that voted no and definitely no? I would like to hear one valid argument on why you think it should remain illegal. Also, leave fairytales out of it please...
Its ridiculous that we can take care of our animal beings that are suffering in a way that will never end by putting an end to it, but people, we leave on machines for months at a time since they can't breathe for themselves...just let them go already, I would rather be dead than writhing in pain for the final 6 months of my life, let me remember my most recent times as good, not a greuling, drawn out process of death.
peace
Many think that way, though some don't. Animals stop eating and die if they get sad, or sick, that's a choice. If someone or something can't speak, then we can't just take up a voice. If someone is like Terry Schivo, and we do kill them, I dunno, I wonder if they are one of those few people who have such a sense of survival dee inside, before what happened, that they would say "no".
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