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 Re: Are doctors harming humanity?  [Re: Beege]
#9572268 - 01/08/09 05:22 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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giving somebody a new organ is saving their life and thus, allowing them to survive when they wouldn't before. That's circumventing natural selection IMO. And that's just one example.
don't get me wrong, I'm not against doctors. I just like looking at things from every angle.
Just because someone contracts a virus, or injures themselves doesnt deem them genetically weak.
sorry organ transplantation isnt a good example of circumventing natural selection. Keeping retarded babies alive would be a much better example (i know cruel)
Organ failure can be directly linked to genetics (ie: the heart).
MANY things lead to organ failure, your being much to vague.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Calix]
#9572274 - 01/08/09 05:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many things, including genetic predispositions to organ failure being one of the chief members of that list.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
#9572275 - 01/08/09 05:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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They've been pretty damn good for increasing the life span of humans by a huge number of years.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: boxcarguy07]
#9572295 - 01/08/09 05:26 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't watch videos. What is it about?
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
#9572313 - 01/08/09 05:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Explains how we're really not living longer these days.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Redstorm]
#9572350 - 01/08/09 05:32 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think its the antibiotics that arent helping us not the doctors. Eventually the use of the antibiotics we have creates super strains of viruses that is resistant to everything we have and then were fucked.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572352 - 01/08/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many things, including genetic predispositions to organ failure being one of the chief members of that list.
aw man i hate pulling the "back that up" card but id like to see data that supports genetic predisposition being the main factor in organ failure.
How many times have you been to a hospital or been seen by a dr? Of all these times how many visits have been due to a life threatening illness/major surgery? Chances are most people usually go to the dr because of accidents that have nothing to do with genetics or necessarily even illness.
Most visits to the dr are checkups, births, injuries, or for a diagnosis. None of these are circumventing natural selection.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Calix]
#9572510 - 01/08/09 06:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I went and got a heart ultrasound this afternoon regarding a genetic disease. Kinda why I was thinking about this.
and if you don't think organ failure is affected by genetics you are misinformed. It's ridiculously easy to find such information.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572532 - 01/08/09 06:04 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I went and got a heart ultrasound this afternoon regarding a genetic disease. Kinda why I was thinking about this.
yea i gotta get those every couple years plus an echo and ekg for my genetically weak heart :/
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Calix]
#9572537 - 01/08/09 06:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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so... why did you ask?
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572558 - 01/08/09 06:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking about evolution vs. doctors today. From what I can see, in the end doctors are harming the human race by practicing their trade. Think about it, by treating everybody they are eliminating natural selection and thus allowing the weaker of the species to survive. This weakens our gene pool which in turn allows us to become more susceptible to disease. It might sound cold, but it's something I've been thinking about.
Your input is welcome and appreciated 
Natural selection isnt the only evolutionary factor as it pertains to biological fitness. Cultural trends, and technological innovation have shown significance in evolutionary mechanics as well.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572610 - 01/08/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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so... why did you ask?
ask what for data supporting genetic predisposition being the main factor in organ failure?
That has nothing to do with my heart condition.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572624 - 01/08/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's ridiculously easy to find such information.
there is a huge difference between finding data that supports organ failure being linked in some cases to genetic predisposition and saying that genetic predisposition is the "chief" of the list for factors that contribute to organ failure.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Calix]
#9572659 - 01/08/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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so... why did you ask?
ask what for data supporting genetic predisposition being the main factor in organ failure?
That has nothing to do with my heart condition.
you -just- said you had a genetically weakened heart.
I don't really see your point soooo...
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572678 - 01/08/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beege said:
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so... why did you ask?
ask what for data supporting genetic predisposition being the main factor in organ failure?
That has nothing to do with my heart condition.
you -just- said you had a genetically weakened heart.
I don't really see your point soooo...
my heart doesnt have anything to do with the point. (point of the conversation being "are Dr's circumventing the process of natural selection" right?)
damn i was merely trying to relate to you given you said you got an ultrasound for your heart and I get my heart checked every couple of years my bad.
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572684 - 01/08/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beege said:
I was thinking about evolution vs. doctors today. From what I can see, in the end doctors are harming the human race by practicing their trade. Think about it, by treating everybody they are eliminating natural selection and thus allowing the weaker of the species to survive. This weakens our gene pool which in turn allows us to become more susceptible to disease. It might sound cold, but it's something I've been thinking about.
My Psych. Prof. talked about this today. The gist of his stance seemed to dismiss your concerns: he said that we humans don't know exactly which traits will prove desirable in the distant future, so claiming that "weaker" attributes are sapping humanity's strength is pure speculation.
His example involved tall people, who may now seem to possess a desirable trait, trying to live underground after a nuclear fallout. He said they would constantly stoop and eventually die out. Not the best illustration, but I think his point is somewhat valid.
Plus, we need "dumb" people. And some of them aren't dumb at all. Have you ever heard of autistic savants?
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Cameron]
#9572693 - 01/08/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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who said -anything- about dumb people?
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Beege]
#9572708 - 01/08/09 06:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I figure the mentally challenged fall under the same category as the terminally ill.
Both groups are considered "weak," and they would probably die if it were not for the special treatment they receive.
Do you agree with my Prof's point?
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Crasher]
#9572727 - 01/08/09 06:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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We'll see how you feel when you're diagnosed with a possibly fatal yet treatable illness in the future.
every fatal illness is treatable, if you're dying of cancer, treat
it with booze, got aids, try heroin... medicine is about treatment,
not cures, you'll die regardless, you can just do it all doped up
with or without the doctors help, you can do it broke and doped if
you have a doctor treating you
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Re: Are doctors harming humanity? [Re: Cameron]
#9572734 - 01/08/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think he's full of it. I don't see how having cancer or weak organs could prove to be a desirable trait.
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