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Being an Independent ?
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I'm confused as to why one would affiliate oneself to any particular party?

Like religion or patriotism, thinking, "my party right or wrong" just seems ignorant. And to believe that one party is always right just seems even more ignorant.

And independent can vote for whoever or whatever makes the most sense to them and if they find out they were wrong they have no points to defend in deserting that mistake.

So can I hear some good reasons to devote oneself to one party or to being a conservative or a liberal.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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If you actually want to get things done and get your policy pushed through you have to band together. Of course that requires compromise on what may be one's less important issues to get the more important ones through.

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: DieCommie]
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ya Icelander i agree i dont really c the point in picking a party, its like hey lets reduce the choices we have yay!


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Coaster]
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I assume you're not talking about this:
http://www.usiap.org/


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I'm confused as to why one would affiliate oneself to any particular party?

Like religion or patriotism, thinking, "my party right or wrong" just seems ignorant. And to believe that one party is always right just seems even more ignorant.

And independent can vote for whoever or whatever makes the most sense to them and if they find out they were wrong they have no points to defend in deserting that mistake.

So can I hear some good reasons to devote oneself to one party or to being a conservative or a liberal.


To vote in a primary to decide who will REPRESENT a particular party.

I'm reg'd Libertarian which was stupid of me. I should have registered Republican. Now I can't vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
If you actually want to get things done and get your policy pushed through you have to band together. Of course that requires compromise on what may be one's less important issues to get the more important ones through.


So as an independent you can't band together with other independents? Having to compromise your beliefs can result in trouble IMO.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said:
Icelander said:
I'm confused as to why one would affiliate oneself to any particular party?

Like religion or patriotism, thinking, "my party right or wrong" just seems ignorant. And to believe that one party is always right just seems even more ignorant.

And independent can vote for whoever or whatever makes the most sense to them and if they find out they were wrong they have no points to defend in deserting that mistake.

So can I hear some good reasons to devote oneself to one party or to being a conservative or a liberal.


To vote in a primary to decide who will REPRESENT a particular party.

I'm reg'd Libertarian which was stupid of me. I should have registered Republican. Now I can't vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.


Well as long as one goes along with that system why should it ever change? The Democrats (I believe) allow independents to vote in primaries.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
DieCommie said:
If you actually want to get things done and get your policy pushed through you have to band together. Of course that requires compromise on what may be one's less important issues to get the more important ones through.


So as an independent you can't band together with other independents? Having to compromise your beliefs can result in trouble IMO.


Ice, where are you going to find enough Independents to win a Presidential Election that agree 100% of every issue Government deals with?

What people compromise on are the little things and they tend to choose a candidate and or party that is best aligned with the values most important to them.

Give and take is a part of life and the ability to compromise is healthy.

What is so healthy about being all or nothing stubborn through life? Those types regularly self destruct and have frequent melt downs when they don't get things exactly their way.

There is not a person who doesn;t get through the day without compromising a lesser value to achieve the benefit of a greater value to them. That's life.

Politics is largely about negotiating deals and compromise is a huge part of the game.



Brain, you knew you had to re register and had plenty of time to do it.

The question was put out there if Paul's internet support would translate into real votes.

I wonder how many more like you are in Iowa, MI and NH and what could've been a more accurate reflection of how many Americans back Pauls message.


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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I think it depends on the state.


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: minesstudent]
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minesstudent said:
I think it depends on the state.


Yes. In some states the Dems have closed primaries also and in others, like Illinois, you are just a registered voter (no party affiliations are asigned to your voters card)and you can vote in any party's primary.

The states party chairs make the rules for their state.


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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What is so healthy about being all or nothing stubborn through life? Those types regularly self destruct and have frequent melt downs when they don't get things exactly their way.


But isn't this what belonging to a certain party right or wrong is. "All or nothing"

Independents are on the rise in this country or so I hear on NPR:lol:. If everyone was independent then the majority would still rule and compromise would still happen.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/18/08 12:23 PM)

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
But isn't this what belonging to a certain party right or wrong is. "All or nothing"


If people are compromising some lesser values for their greater values that a party stands for then, they are not getting all they want from it.

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Independents are on the rise in this country or so I hear on NPR:lol:. If everyone was independent then the majority would still rule and compromise would still happen.


There is just no getting around everyone having to make some compromises when you are dealing with finding a way to give 300,000,000 what they want, with or without a party system.

If what you are saying is that blind party loyality is stupid, then yes, I agree.


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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If what you are saying is that blind party loyalty is stupid, then yes, I agree.

Yes this is really what I am saying. I often see a lot of name calling about being liberal or conservative here. So some folk are being seen as such or seeing themselves as such.

For myself how could that ever be true? I am often more liberal then the liberals and more conservative then the conservatives. I agree with either proponent when it makes sense and for sure I don't see consistent sense coming from any politician save one these days and he doesn't have a prayer. And in no way would I agree with him or his party in total. I really have little interest in an us vs them mentality and it's one of the reasons politics and religion isn't more interesting to me and IMO more productive.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/18/08 04:06 PM)

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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: Icelander]
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I hear you.

I'm not even sure why we bother with the left and right wing stuff anymore because the two parties have become a blur to me.

You have you "lefty liberal" like Hillary ( I heard she prefers to be known as a "progressive") who says abortion is okay, it's your body, it's your potential child's life and you have say so over it, yet, once it's born, she wants to be able to regulate how it is raised and educated, censorship included.

WTF is that?

Then you have your righty conservative (take your pick) that liberally spend our money like drunken sailors on all sorts of inneffictive programs to nanny over our lives for us and believe it is their duty to steal our money from us to liberally spread "democracy" by force, and through setting up puppet governments, around the world.

Wtf is that?

As far as I am concerned, the Democrats and GOP might as well lump themselves into one party called the Nanny Globalist party.

Maybe that's it, I'll just start calling anyone who supports a globalist or globalist agenda a Glob. That's what I have the biggest beef against and why I always voted green party, non interventionists they are, and now support Paul because, he is able to get press on why Foreign intervention is a bad idea, that the green party has never been able to get out there to the masses.

I think anyone that has voted strictly indepenedent or who moves around parties based on candidates, can call themselves and Independent and you are right, there are more and more of them out there as time goes on.


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Re: Being an Independent ? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I think independent thinking people have always been there but over the last 8 years tensions have been raised and the country truly is more polarized than before.

At least it seems that way to me.


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'Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain and leave the Shroomery.' ~ Jim Morrison

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