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An independent country within the US?
    #7787260 - 12/21/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.


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I'm not aware of any other country within a country like this, and it looks like it'll take a good-sized chunk out of US land.






Sound like an interesting situation.


Edited by Disco Cat (12/25/07 12:17 AM)


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7787367 - 12/21/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that's pretty fucking cool

i might even consider moving there if this is legit

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7787402 - 12/21/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I can see the US invading them. Haha.

Or at least occupying.

They should consider starting banking system that can be like an overseas bank to rich millionares. Then they can get rich and live like kings in their new country.

Problem though. If it is tax free, how the fuck are they going to imprison people and run their government?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7787406 - 12/21/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Also, how do they plan to get from their satellite areas to the main one? That may be a problem.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7787898 - 12/22/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well obviously they're terrorists so we'll invade the fuck outa them.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7788005 - 12/22/07 03:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

See, that's what I don't understand.

The term terrorist is so broad now, everyone could be a terrorist. Except the military and the government of course.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7788139 - 12/22/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I think the US Civil War pretty much answered any question about what happens when a group of people that are part of the US claim otherwise. Although history would like us to think the US Civil War was about slavery, the real cause of the war was the southern states trying to leave the union.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Seuss]
    #7788315 - 12/22/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Come on California, break off!


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7788320 - 12/22/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It might be profitable to raid them, i mean, they can't use the U.S. police or military to protect themselves, so what is to stop someone from going in, blowing up one of their casinos, and robbing them worse than we did the first time?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Seuss]
    #7788327 - 12/22/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one. Try reading some books or newspapers from back then, you'll quickly realize that it really was about slavery.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7788347 - 12/22/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one. Try reading some books or newspapers from back then, you'll quickly realize that it really was about slavery.




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Lincoln made it clear that the North was fighting the war to preserve the Union. On August 22, 1862, just a few weeks before signing the Proclamation and after a draft of it was on his desk, he wrote a letter in response to an editorial by Horace Greeley of the New York Tribune which had urged complete abolition:

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free. [3]




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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7788493 - 12/22/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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xFrockx said:
This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one.  Try reading some books or newspapers from back then, you'll quickly realize that it really was about slavery.




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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7788583 - 12/22/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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if i'm not mistaken does that mean that mount rushmore was built on an indian reservation? are they going to claim mount rushmore as theirs?

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7788742 - 12/22/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7789153 - 12/22/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh ! An American Kosovo !

But really, the arguments fly around every country internal situation. Here in Europe, countries like Spain or Cyprus, among others, are not in favor of Kosovo independence for obvious reasons. Strangely the US is in favor ... so the Indian nation freedom hopes are "logically" covered. But hey, who ever said politics are logical ...

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7789164 - 12/22/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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xFrockx said:
This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one.  Try reading some books or newspapers from back then, you'll quickly realize that it really was about slavery.




This was said earlier but it was a perfect response so I'll repeat it (with a little more because the original statement was quite funny):


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #7789196 - 12/22/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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adjust said:
if i'm not mistaken does that mean that mount rushmore was built on an indian reservation? are they going to claim mount rushmore as theirs?

:lol:



Yes.  Mt. Rushmore was illegally built in violation of a treaty, and they have every right to claim it as their own.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7789242 - 12/22/07 02:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

If the federal government doesn't respect their wishes, perhaps they would dynamite it. Imagine what kind of signal that would send. The international community would collectively condemn America if they engaged in genocide, or attacking "terrorists". They have this right.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: xFrockx]
    #7789827 - 12/22/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

> This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one.

I did quite a lot of research into the subject for my term paper for modern history in college. I went into the project with your position and came out with what I posted above. It is pretty obvious when you read the actual statements written by the people that were making decisions that the motivation for the Civil War was to preserve the union. Of course, this wouldn't have gone over well with the population, as it wasn't really justified in the Constitution, thus slavery became the issue in order to sell the war. Funny, times really haven't changed that much...


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Seuss]
    #7790011 - 12/22/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeppers

there are plenty of sources showing lincoln was not the racial unifier he is sometimes portrayed to be, and that he actually prefered segregation if the blacks were to remain in this country.

edit: nevermind, allready covered


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7790243 - 12/22/07 06:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

While this does show that Abraham Lincoln didn't want to fight the war for slavery, it says nothing about the public opinion of the time.

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In the period leading up to the Civil War, the future of slavery became the dominant political issue in the United States. "Runaway slaves, underground railway stations, masters and men tracking negroes, the occasional capture of a man or woman to be taken back to the South, trials of fugitives — all the features common in those years particularly in the States bordering on bond territory Lincoln saw," Lincoln biographer Ida Tarbell wrote. "It was not until 1844-45, however that the matter became an important element in his political life. Heretofore it had been a moral question only, now, however, the annexation of Texas made it a political one. It became necessary that every politician and voter decide whether the new territory should be bond or free. The abolitionists or Liberty party grew rapidly in Illinois. Lincoln found himself obliged not only to meet Democratic arguments, but the abolition theories and convictions."




http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/inside.asp?ID=4&subjectID=2

edit: more on how what Lincon said didn't reflect the feelings of the time:

"The reference to Lovejoy's murder was enigmatic. "Why did Lincoln not speak out more forthrightly?" asked Paul Simon in Lincoln's Preparation for Greatness: The Illinois Legislative Years. He raised three possible reasons:

1. Lincoln's thinking was still maturing on the whole question of slavery, and Lincoln did not detail his ideas before he had come to some solid conclusions."

2. In the protest he had signed with Dan Stone in the [Illinois] House a few months earlier, Lincoln had already taken an unpopular stand against slavery. By opposing mob violence and mentioned the McIntosh case, he stood on the side of law and order without being charged with being an Abolitionist, which he was not. Too forthright a statement might offend public opinion.

3. Lovejoy's extreme religious views, with his attacks on various denominations, were not in keeping with Lincoln's convictions.

4. But while conceding the preceding points, it does not appear too difficult to speak out against mob action in the Lovejoy case and still not be associated with the Abolitionists, with Lovejoy's religious views, or arouse much public opposition. A fourth possibility strong suggests itself. Lincoln was not without political ambition and did not want to alienate some of Lovejoy's influential opponents who were Lincoln's friends and potential supporters of his political aspirations. He felt so strongly on the subject that he had to speak out, but wanted to do this without stepping on powerful toes. He simply temporized for political reasons."


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: johnm214]
    #7790262 - 12/22/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You all may disagree, but I believe that what matters is the reason the public fought the civil war, and I can confidently say that the people in the South weren't fighting to preserve the union :wink:.  At least half of the combatants assuredly had slavery (and tarrifs to a lesser extent) in mind.  The northern government wanted to preserve the union to preserve its recourses, but the people in the north ultimately weren't going to tolerate a slave-holding south if the union did unite.  Slavery had to end for the union to unite again, and thus it was the pivotal issue.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Seuss]
    #7790572 - 12/22/07 09:30 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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> This is the popular "alternative history" that people spout off, but not the true one.

I did quite a lot of research into the subject for my term paper for modern history in college. I went into the project with your position and came out with what I posted above.



Funny, the exact opposite happened to me. I did an essay in High School defending the South's side for the Civil War, and came out realizing just how much their secession had to do with slavery. People will often bring up the issue of tariffs, but those tariffs were basically opposed because they hurt the slave economy. Also, despite Lincoln's statements about wanting to preserve the union, a look at other statements of his will clearly illustrate that he was an abolitionist.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: johnm214]
    #7792091 - 12/23/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is crazy, congradulations to the Lakota though, I am hopeful that this will help end a lot of the racism that they face.
So are these Peyote aboriginals? And if so, I really wonder what their policies regarding cacti will be, if it is a religous sacrament, maybe they will only keep it for their church, but maybe they will be smart and grow it themselves, which would be another product for them to make some profit off. Hopefully they will allow visitors to take part in their sacraments.
Has anyone in the USA heard anything about this on like national news or anything?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fantastical]
    #7792109 - 12/23/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The US will have some sanctions or something, or won't provide visas to them. They'll get fucked over somehow.

The Gov. should just let them govern themselves instead. New treaty needed!


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7792160 - 12/23/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

actually... if the us government did that it would force the lakota to be self sufficient again

that might be a good thing for the lakota indians


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fantastical]
    #7794578 - 12/24/07 01:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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So are these Peyote aboriginals?




No, the Lakota Sioux are Native Americans of the Great Plains, whereas peyote is a sacrament of the Southwest. It may be possible, of course, that peyote made its way up into the Great Plains through trade, but this may or may not be the case, as I'm sure there is history and archaeological research that would leave that potential open, or close it off.

The Sioux Native Americans have been pretty prominent in the history of this country. Surely they had psychoactive substances that they used in the pursuit of their understanding of reality and their spirituality. The Sioux were buffalo hunters, and lived in tipis, so they could follow the buffalo as they migrated around. :smile:

Living in a tipi is really cool, my dad needs to get a new canopy for his. :smile:  These dudes lived out harsh, harsh winters on the Great Plains in these things, so we're talking capable shelter. It really makes you question how we have to live in order to survive. They have a rich culture and history, and its tragic how our invasion of their lands overwhelmed them and nearly destroyed them.

They have this right more than anyone else, and I don't think the federal government is in that much of a position to prevent it from happening. :yesnod:


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7795014 - 12/24/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, thanks I am not very familiar with american issues. However, don't all natives have the right to the native american church, and therefor the right for peyote. If so, even if it doesnt grow there naturally, they should be able to grow and harvest it if they want to (they will be governing themselves), I bet it would be a pretty lucrative industry, look at other legal drugs like coffee, smokes, or booze, or illegal ones like coke or chronic, there always will be a market, they should take advantage of it.
This seems like it should be a bigger issue than it is, is the media/government trying to keep this quiet? If other countries do not recognize them, then they are not a real country. Maybe they are drafting new treaties that are fair? But the natives always seem to get screwed, they should just break away IMO.
Oh and I know that peyote is sacred to them, but in other places other drugs are sacred, like booze and weed in India but non religious people still consume, so I don't think that would be disrespectful. It is also fucked up how they are allowd peyote but no one else is, if your all citizens of a country you should have equal rights.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fantastical]
    #7795499 - 12/24/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7795576 - 12/24/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:the Lakota have been confined to among the poorest land


They are not allowed to move? They should have the right to move to a prosperous city within the US.


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    #7796148 - 12/24/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7796160 - 12/24/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wait a minute. You are claiming they don't have a right to move to a prosperous city within the US?



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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7796205 - 12/24/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7796542 - 12/24/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm confused about something. Based on the pictures the OP posted the Lakota territory looks HUGE, but based on the Wikipedia article on Indian reservations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation

the territory looks much smaller. What's the deal?


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    #7796576 - 12/24/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7796590 - 12/24/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So then is Lakota claiming to be taking that huge piece of land back? Or just their current small pieces. I'm not sure where the OP got the pics but they seem like a far fetched idea if that's the case.


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    #7796602 - 12/24/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7796608 - 12/24/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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if i'm not mistaken does that mean that mount rushmore was built on an indian reservation? are they going to claim mount rushmore as theirs?

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yes you dumb ass, mt rushmore was built on indian fucking land to kinda say "IN YOUR FACE, BITCH NIGGAZ"


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: derx]
    #7796760 - 12/24/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is the shitty attitude necessary?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: freddurgan]
    #7797088 - 12/25/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm confused about something. Based on the pictures the OP posted the Lakota territory looks HUGE, but based on the Wikipedia article on Indian reservations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation

the territory looks much smaller. What's the deal?




The Lakota claimed territory is comprised of more than just indian reservations. The map has 3 differently coloured types of territory: Unceded Indian Territory, Indian Resevations, and the Great Sioux Resevation - which I don't know much about, but according to the wiki page for it, sounds like its a national park. The listing of indian reservations corresponds on both maps:



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    #7798313 - 12/25/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: johnm214]
    #7801661 - 12/26/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I am hoping that the Anisinabi will link to thire Lakota brothers and make native lands spread east to the great lakes.Russel Means has been a long time hero of mine since the AIM days. In the 70,s with AIM the US fed gov took a fast and hard stance with the natives I expect no difference with the current movement.My wife is NA and we still have aunts and other family on the res in Michigan. 70 years after the US government contained a independent people into submission another country try-ed the same thing using the same tactics but concentration camps and genocide didn't seem to settle as well as reservations and manifest destiny.


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    #7801665 - 12/26/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is great. Lakota's are big pro-hemp. We just may be making progress.


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    #7801833 - 12/26/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7802017 - 12/26/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The U.S. federal government would never allow this to happen.


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    #7802024 - 12/26/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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The U.S. federal government would never allow this to happen.



Fortunately for the Lakota, our troops seem to be a bit preoccupied with fighting in Iraq.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7802970 - 12/27/07 05:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What happens to the people who have homes or own land in this territory? While it was the Native American's land originally, it is not the fault of someone who owns the land hundreds of years later.

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    #7803019 - 12/27/07 06:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A sensible policy would be enough compensation for me.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7803121 - 12/27/07 07:45 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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What happens to the people who have homes or own land in this territory? While it was the Native American's land originally, it is not the fault of someone who owns the land hundreds of years later.

The land owners should be compensated well for giving it up.




Compensated by the US government.


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    #7803269 - 12/27/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Does anybody actually think that the U.S. federal government will allow this to happen? Fuck no.


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    #7803286 - 12/27/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

As soon as the welfare checks stop, this will end.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7803312 - 12/27/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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EntheogenicPeace said:the Lakota have been confined to among the poorest land


They are not allowed to move? They should have the right to move to a prosperous city within the US.




They do, and many have. But I don't think the independence movement we are talking about has assimilating into a prosperous city in mind. I think the aim is to restore a way of life that has little to do with Contemporary Economics. The Lakota are after sustainable independence.


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    #7803315 - 12/27/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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As soon as the welfare checks stop, this will end.




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    #7803330 - 12/27/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Education is everything. Welfare is nothing.


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    #7803631 - 12/27/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7803755 - 12/27/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Smells like racism to me. They would do good to think about adopting some multiculturalism and acceptance of living with others who dont look like them.


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    #7803855 - 12/27/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7803865 - 12/27/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Smells like racism to me. They would do good to think about adopting some multiculturalism and acceptance of living with others who dont look like them.



Can I assume from this statement that you are in favor of opening up our borders?


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    #7803899 - 12/27/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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As soon as the welfare checks stop, this will end.




Could you please provide me some evidence of the leaders of the Lakota Freedom Delegation receiving welfare checks?





The Lakota Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota is known for its grim statistics and overwhelming poverty. Over 70 percent of the people are unemployed.

http://www.tribalcollegejournal.org/themag/backissues/summer2001/summer2001oc.html


Currently all reserve Native Americans are guaranteed cradle-to-grave medical and dental care through the Indian Health Service.

And native americans who live on reservations do not have to pay taxes....WTF?


Government employment, including tribal, county, state and federal government, provides about 25 percent of reservation jobs and—in combination with transfer payments—provides the largest source of income for tribal members. As reported in a tribal economic report:

http://minneapolisfed.org/pubs/fedgaz/92-07/tour.cfm

No welfare, no social security, no state health care, no education program, no maintenance on state and interstate roads going through the area etc..


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    #7803914 - 12/27/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Silversoul said:Can I assume from this statement that you are in favor of opening up our borders?


No, that would be a fallacious assumption.  :crazy2:  You could however assume that it means I am in favor of multicultural immigration from all around the globe.


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    #7804319 - 12/27/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes, I agree. Their goal is not to assimilate into mainstream American society/culture, but to build a new, independent nation where hemp cultivation would be vital to providing for the needs of its inhabitants (as a source of cloth, building material, food, possibly even energy, & also other uses it has). If you have a better way to provide employment & alleviate poverty, given the place & the circumstances, please let me know.




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    #7805038 - 12/27/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7805053 - 12/27/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7805095 - 12/27/07 07:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

None of which you would know about, much less give a shit about, if you weren't using hemp to get stoned. Drug driven politics.


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    #7805110 - 12/27/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't use drugs other than alcohol and nicotine and I support the manufacturing of hemp for various uses.


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    #7805120 - 12/27/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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    #7805157 - 12/27/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hemp is bunk that nobody would give a fuck about if it weren't for dopers. And it would probably be legal if it weren't for dopers.

I sincerely doubt my assumptions are ignorant and find it much more likely that you are either full of shit or incredibly unaware of yourself.


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    #7805226 - 12/27/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

hey man, I haven't smoked pot in several years, I'm all for hemp. Let the market decide its worth, its stupid to limit it to import. I have no reason to believe its a pancea for everything, but nothing wrong w/ free enterprise.

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    #7805781 - 12/27/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Hemp is bunk that nobody would give a fuck about if it weren't for dopers. And it would probably be legal if it weren't for dopers.

I sincerely doubt my assumptions are ignorant and find it much more likely that you are either full of shit or incredibly unaware of yourself.



Bunk??? What are you smoking?


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    #7807314 - 12/28/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I can see the US invading them. Haha.


First we sell them arms to defend themselves then we get to consider them a threat and then we invade. It's the amerikan way.:thumbup:


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    #7817976 - 12/31/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Its not about hemp or mescaline or hand outs from the government of the USA its about a indigenous people that lived on the land for 10,000 years that lost thire land to a foreign invader who struck with weapons both intended and incidental that left them shaken and struggling to understand thire world as 90% of thire people died in a 300 year span. Lost to a invader that didn't even recognize them as human and treated them as vermin to be removed who took thire children and stripped thire language and religion thire culture.
To any that try-ed to make a stand for the agreements that were made or those that try ed to oppose agreements that were made with out th ire consent became terrorists and outlaws to be exterminated.
The last of these people broken living on the margins of the victors finnaly asking of the world,, hear us,, see us ,,we still are here we will not go softly into the night.


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    #7819890 - 01/01/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a feeling that the HR 1995 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 might be used to suppress this "insurrection" if the Lakota are serious... :shake:


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    #7819914 - 01/01/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, to them the reclamation has already happened and they are now the republic of Lakotah. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.


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Wounded Knee, Lakotah (formerly South Dakota) - Thirteen days and 287 miles ago, 44 people mounted horses and began the Memorial Chief Big Foot Ride in honor of Si Tanka (Chief Big Foot) and his unarmed band of Mniconjou and Hunkpapa refuges who were slaughtered by U.S. Calvary in 1890 at Wounded Knee.

But while these 44 riders began their journey under the shadow of U.S. Treaty, their numbers will swell to over 100 and end under the protection of a free and sovereign Lakotah Nation.

The ride began on December 15th in Standing Rock, the anniversary of Sitting Bull's death, and has traveled through fierce snowstorm and cold, the same conditions faced by the 357 mostly women, children and elder men at Wounded Knee Creek 127 years ago.

"The purpose is to ride the spirit trail of Chief Big Foot," said Tegihya Kte also known as Garry Rowland, leader of the riders and recent delegate of the Lakotah Freedom effort in Washington D.C.. "The Tree of Life died in Wounded Knee in 1890, and the ride was begun to mend the Sacred Hoop."

Riders ranging in age from 10 to 65 travel the footsteps of their Ancestors, along the way offering prayer for the women, children, the Elders, and the conditions the Lakotah people are forced to live under today. For the children, the ride is also a powerful introduction to the sacred relationship between the Lakotah and the horse and the courage their Ancestors took during their 13 day walk from the site of Sitting Bull's assassination to Wounded Knee.

"My sons and now my grandsons have participated in the ride,"shared Tegihya Kte. "They ride for our future and the self-determination of our people. "

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Tegihya Kte said, "We don't want the government telling us what to do, we want to be free."

Lakotah Freedom delegate and Cante Tenza leader Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.) agreed, "The Lakotah withdrawal in Washington D.C. brings real protection for our people today, exactly the real protection Big Foot sought for his people then."

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    #7820157 - 01/01/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I can't believe on a site like the Shroomery I'm having to refute such ignorance.





I have seen this time and time again. Some of the neo-cons that post in the politics section have absolutely no desire to see the war on drugs ended. Why they ruin this forum with their nonsense is open to speculation however. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out they are paid to post their propaganda on web forums such as this.

The cannabis plant has a very wide variety of uses and for one single person to be punished for any of its use is crime. Only an uneducated, uniformed, ignorant, nazi-police state, wannabe thug would support such policy.

But watch out calling them out on it you'll get banned like I have 4x now. We have to re-read the rules but the neo-con slime balls get to post insults and slurs with impunity.

As to the title of this thread, I wish these native americans well on their experiment and am very proud to see more and more people waking up to the reality of the fake war on drugs. Far too many lives have been ruined by it and it has only gotten worse while we focus our wrath overseas.


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    #7820206 - 01/01/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7820216 - 01/01/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting. There are already active secessionist movements in California, Oregon and Washington, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, throughout the former Confederate States and in the American Southwest.

Obviously it ain't gonna happen right now. Could it become a trend? It would be interesting to see how these movements would fare if the federal government began to weaken, say, during a war or depression. (Two things I can easily imagine in the not-so distant future).

It might just be that the American Empire is ultimately brought down by...Indians. How ironic.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: zorbman]
    #7821423 - 01/01/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Interesting. There are already active secessionist movements in California, Oregon and Washington, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, throughout the former Confederate States and in the American Southwest.

Obviously it ain't gonna happen right now. Could it become a trend? It would be interesting to see how these movements would fare if the federal government began to weaken, say, during a war or depression. (Two things I can easily imagine in the not-so distant future).

It might just be that the American Empire is ultimately brought down by...Indians. How ironic.




By the Lakotahs. Indians are from India. And Native Americans are from America. Lakotahs are from Lakotah.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7821527 - 01/01/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, Mr. Technical Guy.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: zorbman]
    #7830867 - 01/04/08 07:03 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

This is the officially declared border





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    #7830921 - 01/04/08 07:25 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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This is the officially declared border





Holy shit. That's a huge chunk of the USA.

They nuked Japan for trying to take Hawaii, so what do you think those dirty racist fucks will do the the Lakotah? It's even bigger and it isn't just dumb ass islands.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7837260 - 01/05/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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If the federal government doesn't respect their wishes, perhaps they would dynamite it. Imagine what kind of signal that would send. The international community would collectively condemn America if they engaged in genocide, or attacking "terrorists". They have this right.






they'd be really dumb to do that.

firstly it would cement them into the "terrorist" catagory, and generally agitate the general populous and put them at odds with everybody. folks who would've supported their peaceful independence would take exception to a violent bunch of whackos.

secondly it'd hurt their economy. people would still want to visit mt rushmore and all the other shit in their land.. that's income. you don't blow up your income just to thumb your nose at people who are only feigning interest in your petty shit anyway.

thirdly, it's a fucking historic landmark. you don't blow that shit up. you don't shoot the nose off the sphinx. you don't melt down the colossus of rhodes. you don't blow up the buddhas of bamyan.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7837275 - 01/05/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Nobody is going to support their anything. They are jerking off.


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    #7837557 - 01/05/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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They are jerking off.




Yup, pretty much the only thing I've seen you do here......:whatever:


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    #7840774 - 01/06/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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They are jerking off.




Yup, pretty much the only thing I've seen you do here......:whatever:




One of your finest and most erudite contributions.  Do you actually think that this will happen?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7840811 - 01/06/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Nobody has any LOVE for you ZAP!!!!! I hope you don't have a very fragile psyche or low self-esteem :grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7840859 - 01/06/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

There does seem to be a rather touchy bunch around the Pub. Said touchiness does not seem to be a feature of Jadian, though, who I had a nice exchange with in Sports. He LOLed. That said, there are people with a bit of a hardon for me who are mods. WS and the "artist formerly known as Rono" being two. Not to mention that Ythan has me on ignore.
I have my champions too, though, and they don't even often agree with me, but they know damn well that this forum will degenerate into a total liberal wankfest without the few of us who oppose them. I doubt if there is anyone who has been flamed more than me and I really only had serious issue with one Nazi who is now gone gone gone. I knew the Pub is not PD and, well, fuck it, there's a reason why I almost never go there. That thread should have been moved here.

I thought it was pretty funny. I can't tell you what WS said in the PM but it was interesting


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: johnm214]
    #7841633 - 01/06/08 10:01 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

well to be honest I think the natives have every right to have their own country but realistically it will never happen. The US isnt about democracy or treating the down trodden like human beings. Besides if they did do this then every native tribe would want their own country and the US would be more or less gone. Now while I think that would be great I dont see it happening. They wont get anything really from the US government so hopefully they will blow up mount Rushmore.

Heres some "fun" facts: Lokata life expectancy is 44 years old, and they have 150% higher teen suicide rate then the rest of the country. Unemployment is 85% of their people on the reservation. When trying not to starve to death and make some money by growing hemp NOT marijuana the DEA raided the reserve illegally.. ooooh democracy is great huh. Overall, whats the difference between a reserve and a concentration camp? I guess the natives can technically leave the land but thats about it. But then i still cant tell the difference between a corporation and a conspiracy.


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    #7844625 - 01/07/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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    #7844946 - 01/07/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Nobody is going to support their anything.




Nobody?

Are tens of millions of indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere nobody?




Yes, especially Evo Morales. They're going to get nothing. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7845399 - 01/07/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

actually apparently Putin is strongly considering supporting them, my guess is just to piss of the American Government. I am willing to bet most people around the world are pretty sympathetic to most native american causes. But then since when does the US government give two shits about what other people think.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7848129 - 01/08/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Yes, especially Evo Morales. They're going to get nothing. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.




You are hopelessly naive, ignorant, apathetic & arrogant if you think that issues of justice & liberation:rofl2: for indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere are nothing more than a desire to consume inebriants in excess without restraint.



Although there seems to be a genetic intolerance for alcohol among indigenous North American people, my reference was to your obvious intoxication if you think there will be a partitioning of the USA.
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Considering the only part of occupation & dictatorship that you are familiar with is being the one to occupy & dictate to others, perhaps I am equally naive for thinking you would be capable of understanding what freedom really means since you haven't had others deny it to you.




Freedom?  They are free to participate in USA society as full memebers.  Or to stay on the reservations and build casinos.  There are many things they are not free to do, like the rest of us, one of which is they are not free to carve out a separate state in a large portion of the country.  Justice?  The noble Indigenous was quite as capable of, and fully invested in, war and slavery and delusional spirituality as any white devil.  They lost.  They will not be permitted to secede.  End of story.  If you think otherwise, well then, keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.  And say high to Evo for me, the coke dealing Marxist.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7848781 - 01/08/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)




Freedom? They are free to participate in USA society as full memebers. Or to stay on the reservations and build casinos.




Damn Zappa you gotta really try basing your arguments in something we like to call reality. Its funny to me that people who do psychedelics obviously have a better grasp of this reality then you do. You see in debate there is something called facts which help to get your point across. The freedom you just mentioned is not freedom at all, its like Bill Hicks said "you are free to do as we tell you, you are free to do as we tell you, go back to watching american gladiators". Native Americans are not free to participate in American culture in any real way because of the extreme poverty and rascism put on them and besides they should be free to have their own culture which is thousands of years older. You are saying their only choice for cultural expression is building casinos? As far as racist attitudes goes that is one of the most ridiculous I have heard in a long time. They are living by the American laws more then the American government. Even though the dictatorship of America will not play by their own rules it does not stop the fact that the Lakota have the right to their land. I realize your little brain is really stretching to preserve your narrow world view so it doesnt really deal in facts just ill informed opinions, but why go on political debate forums if you can only make such poor arguments? I guess you just like to piss people off who you consider to be fluff head liberals or something and I can understand that, I dont much care for the whole PC thing myself but at least when I do it I base my arguments in a factual way.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Mystic_Cannibal]
    #7849046 - 01/08/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

And I think I should be free to fuck anybody I want. Except I'm not. Grow the fuck up.

At any rate, I didn't intend to get in a right or wrong argument with amateur attorneys who think Russel Means is a savior. Nobody is going to be allowed to carve out their own little country. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7849199 - 01/08/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

You cant fuck whoever you want because you have no right to infringe on other peoples freedom. Im guessing that there is a whole lot of people who dont want to fuck you but anyways, I agreed they wont get what they deserve. However they do have the right to the land legally, and its their rights that were originally being infringed upon. Its to bad there are so many white squatters there who wouldnt be willing to give up American citizenship, though they have been given that freedom. Yknow the freedom to determine who rules you? its called democracy. When you realize that then you see the white people on Lakota land are not having their freedoms impinged as they never had a right to be there in the first place. They were mislead into thinking they own the land and the Lakotas graciously will let them stay. So the Lakotas are not free and you are incredibly naive if you think so.

You say you didnt intend to get in an argument about what is right or wrong, then does this mean you understand that the American government is wrong by their own rules? Not to mention the moral issues. I do understand the Lakotas will not be successful unless maybe white peopl e all around the country rise up in violent revolution with them. This is definitely not going to happen however especially not for the Lakotas sake. I do think its naive and wishful thinking to say the Lakotas are gonna have freedom to rule themselves, especially with all that land, even though it is the morally right thing. I never said otherwise so try checking in with that thing I mentioned before yknow REALITY it will really help you make your point in the future.

PS I dont smoke anything, I very rarely do psychedelics anymore I dont even drink coffee so get yourself a new catch phrase kemosabe.


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    #7849310 - 01/08/08 05:39 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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You cant fuck whoever you want because you have no right to infringe on other peoples freedom.



Other people now live on the land these children think will be theirs.
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Im guessing that there is a whole lot of people who dont want to fuck you but anyways, I agreed they wont get what they deserve. However they do have the right to the land legally, and its their rights that were originally being infringed upon.




Originally? Which tribe? Was that the first tribe to claim or inhabit that land? Rights by what judge? Dream on amateur lawyer.
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Its to bad there are so many white squatters there who wouldnt be willing to give up American citizenship, though they have been given that freedom.
Yknow the freedom to determine who rules you? its called democracy. When you realize that then you see the white people on Lakota land are not having their freedoms impinged as they never had a right to be there in the first place. They were mislead into thinking they own the land and the Lakotas graciously will let them stay. So the Lakotas are not free and you are incredibly naive if you think so.




They are free to do many things. They are not free to do others. Follow a point. They fucking lost and can either adjust and move on or whine. What they can't do is carve out their own country.
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You say you didnt intend to get in an argument about what is right or wrong, then does this mean you understand that the American government is wrong by their own rules?




Nope. What it means is that I'm not interested in arguing legal matters with people who get their legal education from comic books.
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Not to mention the moral issues. I do understand the Lakotas will not be successful unless maybe white peopl e all around the country rise up in violent revolution with them. This is definitely not going to happen however especially not for the Lakotas sake. I do think its naive and wishful thinking to say the Lakotas are gonna have freedom to rule themselves, especially with all that land, even though it is the morally right thing. I never said otherwise so try checking in with that thing I mentioned before yknow REALITY it will really help you make your point in the future.

PS I dont smoke anything, I very rarely do psychedelics anymore I dont even drink coffee so get yourself a new catch phrase kemosabe.




If you had read the whole thread you would know that my keep smoking was for EP. Until you seemed to jibe in with an opinion that this was possible. Since you don't seem to actually think this is possible I can only say, "Good for you and please help brother EP to shed his pipe habit, it is clouding his reason."


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7849319 - 01/08/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

its pretty obvious logic cannot penetrate your reality filter zappa, you wont listen to what others say and then make arguments based on things they never said so why dont you just go watch american idol or something


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    #8062879 - 02/24/08 12:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lakotah reps gave this document to the following embassies in Washington this week.


Russia
Serbia
Bolivia
Venezuela
South Africa
Ireland
France
Nicaragua
East Timor
Chile
Turkey
Finland
Iceland
Uraguay



They should also give it to Canada, who voluntarily gave up something like 2000 square km to the Nisga'a natives to self-govern in Northern BC some few years ago.


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