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Blacks urged to form independent political movement
    #4273476 - 06/08/05 10:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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http://www.frostillustrated.com/news/2005/0608/Front_Page/001.html

Blacks urged to form independent political movement
By Hazel Trice Edney
NNPA Washington Correspondent



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WASHINGTON (NNPA)? Growing disappointment with the Democratic Party, capped by a so-called Senate compromise last week that paved the way for the confirmation of at least three right-wing judges, has prompted some activists to consider leaving the Democratic Party and forming an independent political movement.

?Everybody knows that blacks are the most loyal folk to the Democratic Party. We have been loyal. And what do we get for our loyalty?? asked Mary Frances Berry, former chair of the U. S. Commission of Civil Rights. ?African Americans should form an independent political movement?not a party, but a movement and say, ?This is what our issues are and any candidate who supports these issues we will support. And if you don?t support them, we won?t support you.??


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Over the past 30 years, Democrats have received more than 80 percent of the black vote in every presidential election.

?When it comes to black people, African American people, Afro-American people?whatever we?re calling ourselves this year, Negro, colored?there is no party, except the white party,? said Thomas N. Todd a Chicago attorney and longtime civil rights activist.


Mary Frances Berry

?When white people decide they want their own best interest involved, whether they are Democrats or Republicans, they vote their own interests and black people have got to start doing the same thing. We?ve been putting party politics ahead of the self-interest of black people.?

The fact that Todd and Berry, neither of whom has been linked to what are considered fringe political movements, are ready to bolt the Democratic Party could spell serious trouble for Democrats. Other activists might come to the same conclusion after 14 Democratic Senators signed on to a deal that paved the way for the confirmation of at least three far-Right judges. Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owen was subsequently confirmed for the 5th Circuit with a vote of 56 to 43.


Thomas N. Todd

Under the agreement, former Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, nominated to the 11th Circuit, and California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rodgers Brown, nominated for the D. C. Circuit, will be voted on and are likely to be confirmed.

Democrats said they went along with a compromise in order to avoid the, ?nuclear option,? the Republicans? threat to abolish the option to filibuster, a maneuver employed by the party out of power to stop a particular measure from reaching a floor vote. Under Senate rules, it takes 60 votes to end a filibuster, known as cloture. Republicans had vowed to change senate rules to end filibusters with a 51-vote majority if Democrats did not agree to allow the vote on at least three of the nominees.

Even Democrats who were not a part of the negotiated deal, but who voted to move ahead with the Owens vote are being strongly criticized by activists.

?People like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and the rest are just behaving like main stream Democrats,? said Berry.

Obama, the only African American senator, broke with his Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) colleagues to support a floor vote on Owen. He then voted against her nomination.

?It just strikes me that anger at the Democrats, when they mounted this fight, led this fight, held fast for two or three months and then finally just came up short because we couldn?t persuade any Republicans to hold off on the nuclear option, just seems to me to be directing anger at the wrong place,? Obama said. ?I think the Democrats in the Senate did everything that they could to prevent these nominations from coming up. But, we only have 45 seats.?

Even so, some other Democratic stalwarts in the Senate, Barbara Boxer (Calif.), John Kerry (Mass.) and Edward Kennedy (Mass.) voted against the last-minute compromise, knowing Republicans had enough votes to confirm any nomination once it reached the Senate floor.

?After the Democratic leadership pleaded for years to get strong support against these judges and then to capitulate, and then have Owen approved, it was nothing short of a sell out,? said Harvard University law professor Charles Ogletree. ?We cannot afford to be puppets or capitulate like we?re mannequins. That?s one of the consequences of allowing this extraordinary self-destructive conduct by the quote, ?leadership.??

Todd says an independent movement in the black community should start from the bottom up rather than by elected officials who are already tied to the two major parties.

?I think that blacks in the local community ought to start organizing,? he said. ?An independent movement at the grassroots level, at the bottom and not even expect it to be done from the top down.?

Ogletree agrees.

?We don?t have an opportunity to waste another four years looking for a messiah to come from some other place. The talent is right within our grasp. We need to nudge the self-assured, incredibly accomplished young leaders.?

Rainbow/PUSH Coalition founder and President Jesse Jackson Sr., a two-time candidate for president on the Democratic ticket, acknowledges that African Americans are getting shafted by Democrats.

?They protected the minority in the Senate; not the minorities outside the Senate,? Jackson said. ?They did not fight to protect minorities from judges who are anti-civil rights, anti-labor, anti-consumer? Our interests are not being protected in this arrangement.? Jackson stopped short of calling for blacks to leave the Democratic Party.

Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam argues that African Americans are not being respected by either Democrats or Republicans and hinted that he might launch an independent candidacy for president in 2008.

In a panel discussion before the National Conference of Black Mayors last month, Farrakhan said, ?If we leverage our strength, we?ll make both parties bow and you?ll get what you?ve been looking for all the time that you?ve been serving the party.?

Congressional Black Caucus Chairman Mel Watt (D-N.C.) is cautious about any movement that loses sight of the real enemies of black people.

?I?m in favor of a movement, but part of that movement would be to hold them accountable on these two judges and not only to hold Democrats accountable, but to start to communicate to Republicans that there has been a strong history in the area of civil rights of bipartisanship and that we don?t want to turn the clock back. I?m not sure that I believe that this is the time to spend all of our efforts fighting with each other,? said Watt.

Professor Ogletree predicts there will be political repercussions.

He said, ?I think this will be an example of when we will not stand back and accept this. There will be a cost to pay.?


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4273513 - 06/08/05 10:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

?Everybody knows that blacks are the most loyal folk to the Democratic Party. We have been loyal. And what do we get for our loyalty??

You get the liberals who promote racism, intolerance, and a socialist welfare state.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4274058 - 06/09/05 12:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What more do they (black people) fucking want? They already have more legal rights in America (through affirmative action and quotas) than white people do.

P.S. Jesse Jackson is an extortionist and Fara-ass is a racist demagogue.


Edited by RandalFlagg (06/09/05 12:43 AM)


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4274110 - 06/09/05 12:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

They want as much as most sane people want; that is, they want as much as they can get.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4275190 - 06/09/05 10:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

They want someone who honestly represents whats best for African-American's as a whole. Despite what the media tells you, Black people still have it pretty bad in America. Go to any major city ghetto and hang out for awhile. Those people need help, and the current governement that ships crack/cocaine straight into the ghetto isn't going to fix a thing.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the rise of the Black panthers again, or some similar organization. If white america continues to ignore them who knows what will happen. Imagine the LA riots, but in every city.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: J4S0N]
    #4275200 - 06/09/05 10:58 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)


They want someone who honestly represents whats best for African-American's as a whole.


How about someone who represents everyone as a whole? Why does the color of someones skin require special attention? Are you a racist?

Despite what the media tells you, Black people still have it pretty bad in America. Go to any major city ghetto and hang out for awhile.

Little ironic putting those two statements together. But I agree, they should be working, instead of hanging out at every parking lot in the area.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: J4S0N]
    #4275234 - 06/09/05 11:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

J4S0N said:
They want someone who honestly represents whats best for African-American's as a whole.





What African-Americans need to do to make things better for themselves:

1. Stop believing in "civil rights leaders" who are race-baiting demagogues.
2. Stop playing the perennial victim.
3. Start doing better in school.
4. Stop committing so many violent crimes.
5. Stop having so many illegitimate children.
6. Start getting more involved in their communities.
7. Reject the violence and degradation that their younger popular culture is imbued with.

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J4S0N said:
Despite what the media tells you, Black people still have it pretty bad in America. Go to any major city ghetto and hang out for awhile.




If they did 1-7, they wouldn't have it as bad as they do.

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J4S0N said:
Those people need help, and the current governement that ships crack/cocaine straight into the ghetto isn't going to fix a thing.





Huh? Colombians and Mexicans ship cocaine to this country. The government tries to stop it. If the government "shipped" cocaine to the ghetto why do they pay for planes, radar, pesticides to kill coca plants, aid to Colombia to kill the plants, and the Coast Guard and DEA to intercept shipments? Why the hell would the government intentionally ship drugs to the ghetto? And why would they then spend billions of dollars trying to fight those same drugs?

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J4S0N said:
If white america continues to ignore them who knows what will happen. Imagine the LA riots, but in every city.




Ignore them? Liberal White America has fawned over black people because of political correctness for years now. Did you know that if you take a civil service exam for a government job, you will get extra points for being black? Did you know that a lot of colleges let less-qualified black people into their ranks just to have a "balance of races" at their schools? That is a pretty sweet deal for black people and I wish I had those advantages.

And why should white America "pay attention to black America"? Aren't black people able to make it on their own? Do white people need to come in and help them? That is utterly racist and it is a hypocritical attitude that comes from liberals. They make it seem like black people need "helped". To me, that is very condescending and insulting to black people. If I was black, I would be way more offended by someone saying stuff like that than I would by someone calling me a nigger.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: looner2]
    #4275250 - 06/09/05 11:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

1-7 :thumbup:

And why would they then spend billions of dollars trying to fight those same drugs?

The CIA helped fund terrorists who grew cocaine. Each department of government wants money and they'll do whatever it takes to get out money. Fucking thieves.

That is utterly racist and it is a hypocritical attitude that comes from liberals.

:thumbup: Although in FL Jeb Bush is the one that allowed the farce of affirmative action to continue.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: cb9fl]
    #4275693 - 06/09/05 01:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

> Although in FL Jeb Bush is the one that allowed the farce of affirmative action to continue

Speaking of affirmative action... since affirmative action is such a good thing, shouldn't the independent black political party get two or three votes for every vote going to a non black political party?


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4275904 - 06/09/05 02:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

reinstating slavery would fix all this nonsense.


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Re: Blacks urged to form independent political movement [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4275909 - 06/09/05 02:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

We already have partial slavery. It's called income tax.


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