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Independent news sources?
    #7934129 - 01/26/08 09:30 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I think that we need a thread with links to independent news sources, so I'm going to post some of sites that I've found - but I'd really appreciate it if you guys could post any that you know about.

Thanks!

http://www.therealnews.com/web/index.php?thisdataswitch=0&thisid=836&thisview=item

http://www.alternet.org/

http://www.gnn.tv/


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7934194 - 01/26/08 10:01 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Independent of what? Any sign of a rational conservative view of the world?

One featured article from Alternet:

Another Neocon Attempt to Frame Iran Falls Apart

By Gareth Porter, The Nation. Posted January 26, 2008.

Guerrilla News Network speaks for itself:

They had a nice piece on the 935 Lies thing, while neglecting to note it was a Soros funded pile of nonsense and old bullshit.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7934212 - 01/26/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Of course they aren't going to be perfect. But most of the major news sources are owned by giant conglomerates. I just want people to share where they get their news from so that I have more places to look.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7934215 - 01/26/08 10:08 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7934874 - 01/26/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Go to Google.com, click on the News tab, and browse to your hearts content.

I doubt you'll ever find a single site with no bias at all, but by gathering information from many different locations you can build your own personal consensus of what is true and what is nonsense.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7935252 - 01/26/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7935835 - 01/26/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I think he was looking for a "credible" source, not an outlet for the deranged rantings of Alex Jones.

Oh yeah, the border crossing that was blown up? It was to Egypt. Egyptians don't want anything to do with the shitmongers and deathmerchants of Hamas either.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7936155 - 01/26/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7937200 - 01/26/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

The charmers who send rockets into Israel are US supported terrorists, right?


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7938280 - 01/26/08 11:26 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7939859 - 01/27/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Thanks!

And Zappaisgod, what sort of news source do you consider credible? How?


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7940380 - 01/27/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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If you are looking for news & analysis that is not saturated with a war-profiteering, corporate bias, then this is the best I know:

http://www.counterpunch.org/

Here's a sample of an article published there today that is very insightful:

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The Blockade of Gaza

Worse Than a Crime

By URI AVNERY

It looked like the fall of the Berlin wall. And not only did it look like it. For a moment, the Rafah crossing was the Brandenburg Gate.

It is impossible not to feel exhilaration when masses of oppressed and hungry people break down the wall that is shutting them in, their eyes radiant, embracing everybody they meet - to feel so even when it is your own government that erected the wall in the first place.

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The brutal blockade was a war crime. And worse: it was a stupid blunder.

Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom. He is a contributor to The Politics of Anti-Semitism.







I suggest you re-read all that and look really hard for bias. The whole article REEKS of bias! Even the title itself is biased. "Worse Than a Crime" -- that seems pretty inflammatory to me, and hardly unbiased. I'm not saying he's wrong, but I'm saying the author of this article definitely has a bias.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7940542 - 01/27/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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implicitli said:
Thanks!

And Zappaisgod, what sort of news source do you consider credible? How?




I read the NY Times and The NY Post pretty much everyday. I also get a lot from links on blogs. All are given the smell test.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7942334 - 01/27/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Foreign Policy is the most balanced published source of news, in my opinion.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7943590 - 01/28/08 12:41 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)



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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7943635 - 01/28/08 12:49 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

There is no such thing as an independent news source.
There is biased and relatively un-biased.

What is uncool is dismissing information from what one considers a biased source without examining it first.

You see a lot of that here.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zorbman]
    #7943699 - 01/28/08 01:11 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I just think that it's important that we get our information from a variety of sources.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zorbman]
    #7943750 - 01/28/08 01:37 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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What is uncool is dismissing information from what one considers a biased source without examining it first.

You see a lot of that here.




The fact is that some sites have developed a reputation by different groups for being fountains of misinformation and propaganda. Listen, me and you probably both agree that Fox News is not anything resembling "Fair & Balanced", and that in fact it is the mouthpiece of the Republican party.

But I imagine we differ on whether prisonplanet.com plays the exact same role, only for a different group of special interests. Its not I am dismissing prisonplanet.com without ever reading anything they have said. Their articles are posted here on a regular basis, and I've read more than I care to admit. Some of them, a small minority in my opinion, have some substance. But *I* find that 95% of the stuff that I read there is absolute nonsense and propaganda. Again, you may not agree and what may be "The Real Deal" to you seems like hippie ultra-left propaganda to me.

I know you didn't mention prisonplanet.com by name, its just one thats been a topic of conversation and I wanted to make it clear why I often dismiss links from this site and others of its ilk out of hand.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: implicitli]
    #7944182 - 01/28/08 07:42 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Just stay away from anything owned by corporate america or duel-citizens of US and israel is your best bet. After reading a few relatively independent sources then come to your own conclusion based on numerous articles.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #7944787 - 01/28/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Yes, because surely nothing of truth is ever published in any newspaper in America, all of which are owned by evil "corporations".


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7944991 - 01/28/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

There's the comix.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: Icelander]
    #7945039 - 01/28/08 12:08 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Icelander said:
There's the comix.




I :heart: "Get Fuzzy"


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7945991 - 01/28/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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    #7946049 - 01/28/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7946056 - 01/28/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7947117 - 01/28/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/

Feel free to google more. Hamas is not the only terrorist organization in the Gaza Strip. Or did you think that "charmers" referred to Hamas exclusively? Funny idea of the world you have.


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    #7947527 - 01/28/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7947614 - 01/28/08 08:42 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

The US government has sent billions of dollars to Palestine. The US people have sent more. Palestinians are devoted to the destruction and eradication of Israel. They launch rockets to kill Israelis every day at the behest of their duly elected government. Are the Palestinian animals who do this US puppets?

I have zero idea what the second part of your post is referring to. I don't care, either, Pocahantas.


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    #7947673 - 01/28/08 08:55 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7951355 - 01/29/08 05:00 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I agree with almost all of that, but the "living in relative peace" before the establishment of the state of Israel is nonsense.

They were slaughtering the hell out of each other when it was Palestine too...


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7951722 - 01/29/08 06:08 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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The US government has sent billions of dollars to Palestine.




For arms? Because the U.S. government has sent tens of billions of arms & advanced military equipment to its subsidized Zionist government.




Money is fungible. Look it up. And Israel seems to be quite capable of producing their own impressive high tech arms. But that is irrelevant. We were discussing Egypt as puppet because they got US aid. Is the Palestinian government a US puppet by that (your) criteria? Yes, clearly.
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Palestinians are devoted to the destruction and eradication of Israel.




Way to make a sweeping generalization of millions of people. It shows no bigotry or ignorance on your part at all. Nevermind that before the advent of the European colonialist state of Israel, or more specifically its beginnings in the 19th century, Jews, Muslims & Christians lived in relative peace in that area according to a source of orthodox Jewish rabbis.




Those millions of people elected a party dedicated to the destruction of Israel and which continues to send rockets into civilian areas for no discernible military value. The Ottoman Empire was European colonialist?
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Are the Palestinian animals who do this US puppets?




Yes, we know. If a poor Arab or Muslim kills a white-skinned person (even if it's a soldier), then it's a barbaric act of cold-blooded murder by depraved savages. However, if the U.S. or Israeli governments orchestrate the killing of 10x as many Arab civilians, then it's legitimate military operations conducted by benevolent & civilized guardians of freedom, liberty & democracy.




You are unable to back up your blather. If the US were subjected to the constant attacks that Israel is I would advocate carpet bombing.


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Re: Independent news sources? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7978835 - 02/04/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

http://reddit.com/

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