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lonestar2004
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As soon as the welfare checks stop, this will end.
Could you please provide me some evidence of the leaders of the Lakota Freedom Delegation receiving welfare checks?
The Lakota Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota is known for its grim statistics and overwhelming poverty. Over 70 percent of the people are unemployed.
http://www.tribalcollegejournal.org/themag/backissues/summer2001/summer2001oc.html
Currently all reserve Native Americans are guaranteed cradle-to-grave medical and dental care through the Indian Health Service.
And native americans who live on reservations do not have to pay taxes....WTF?
Government employment, including tribal, county, state and federal government, provides about 25 percent of reservation jobs and—in combination with transfer payments—provides the largest source of income for tribal members. As reported in a tribal economic report:
http://minneapolisfed.org/pubs/fedgaz/92-07/tour.cfm
No welfare, no social security, no state health care, no education program, no maintenance on state and interstate roads going through the area etc..
the Lakato leaders are on Crack.
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DieCommie


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Silversoul]
#7803914 - 12/27/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Silversoul said:Can I assume from this statement that you are in favor of opening up our borders?
No, that would be a fallacious assumption. You could however assume that it means I am in favor of multicultural immigration from all around the globe.
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zappaisgod
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EntheogenicPeace said: Yes, I agree. Their goal is not to assimilate into mainstream American society/culture, but to build a new, independent nation where hemp cultivation would be vital to providing for the needs of its inhabitants (as a source of cloth, building material, food, possibly even energy, & also other uses it has). If you have a better way to provide employment & alleviate poverty, given the place & the circumstances, please let me know.
Yet another example of your politics driven by your choice of intoxicants.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: lonestar2004]
#7805038 - 12/27/07 06:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7805053 - 12/27/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod
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None of which you would know about, much less give a shit about, if you weren't using hemp to get stoned. Drug driven politics.
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7805110 - 12/27/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't use drugs other than alcohol and nicotine and I support the manufacturing of hemp for various uses.
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod
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Hemp is bunk that nobody would give a fuck about if it weren't for dopers. And it would probably be legal if it weren't for dopers.
I sincerely doubt my assumptions are ignorant and find it much more likely that you are either full of shit or incredibly unaware of yourself.
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7805226 - 12/27/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey man, I haven't smoked pot in several years, I'm all for hemp. Let the market decide its worth, its stupid to limit it to import. I have no reason to believe its a pancea for everything, but nothing wrong w/ free enterprise.
But as for the story, one word: latches, bitches.
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7805781 - 12/27/07 10:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Hemp is bunk that nobody would give a fuck about if it weren't for dopers. And it would probably be legal if it weren't for dopers.
I sincerely doubt my assumptions are ignorant and find it much more likely that you are either full of shit or incredibly unaware of yourself.
Bunk??? What are you smoking?
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Icelander
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
#7807314 - 12/28/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can see the US invading them. Haha.
First we sell them arms to defend themselves then we get to consider them a threat and then we invade. It's the amerikan way.
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Icelander]
#7817976 - 12/31/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its not about hemp or mescaline or hand outs from the government of the USA its about a indigenous people that lived on the land for 10,000 years that lost thire land to a foreign invader who struck with weapons both intended and incidental that left them shaken and struggling to understand thire world as 90% of thire people died in a 300 year span. Lost to a invader that didn't even recognize them as human and treated them as vermin to be removed who took thire children and stripped thire language and religion thire culture. To any that try-ed to make a stand for the agreements that were made or those that try ed to oppose agreements that were made with out th ire consent became terrorists and outlaws to be exterminated. The last of these people broken living on the margins of the victors finnaly asking of the world,, hear us,, see us ,,we still are here we will not go softly into the night.
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SoY
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
#7819890 - 01/01/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have a feeling that the HR 1995 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 might be used to suppress this "insurrection" if the Lakota are serious...
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Disco Cat
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: SoY]
#7819914 - 01/01/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, to them the reclamation has already happened and they are now the republic of Lakotah. It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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CHIEF BIG FOOT RIDERS RETURN TO WOUNDED KNEE, FREEDOM
13 Day Ride Began Under Weight of U.S. Treaty, Ends On December 29th With Free Nation 21st Annual Ride Returns To New Life for Free Lakotah People
Wounded Knee, Lakotah (formerly South Dakota) - Thirteen days and 287 miles ago, 44 people mounted horses and began the Memorial Chief Big Foot Ride in honor of Si Tanka (Chief Big Foot) and his unarmed band of Mniconjou and Hunkpapa refuges who were slaughtered by U.S. Calvary in 1890 at Wounded Knee.
But while these 44 riders began their journey under the shadow of U.S. Treaty, their numbers will swell to over 100 and end under the protection of a free and sovereign Lakotah Nation.
The ride began on December 15th in Standing Rock, the anniversary of Sitting Bull's death, and has traveled through fierce snowstorm and cold, the same conditions faced by the 357 mostly women, children and elder men at Wounded Knee Creek 127 years ago.
"The purpose is to ride the spirit trail of Chief Big Foot," said Tegihya Kte also known as Garry Rowland, leader of the riders and recent delegate of the Lakotah Freedom effort in Washington D.C.. "The Tree of Life died in Wounded Knee in 1890, and the ride was begun to mend the Sacred Hoop."
Riders ranging in age from 10 to 65 travel the footsteps of their Ancestors, along the way offering prayer for the women, children, the Elders, and the conditions the Lakotah people are forced to live under today. For the children, the ride is also a powerful introduction to the sacred relationship between the Lakotah and the horse and the courage their Ancestors took during their 13 day walk from the site of Sitting Bull's assassination to Wounded Knee.
"My sons and now my grandsons have participated in the ride,"shared Tegihya Kte. "They ride for our future and the self-determination of our people. "
The self-determination of the Lakotah now takes on powerful meeting as the Lakotah Freedom Delegation traveled to Washington D.C. and withdrew the Lakotah from their treaties with the United States Government. The ride becomes an outward expression of sovereign Lakotah rights and spirituality.
Tegihya Kte said, "We don't want the government telling us what to do, we want to be free."
Lakotah Freedom delegate and Cante Tenza leader Canupa Gluha Mani (Duane Martin Sr.) agreed, "The Lakotah withdrawal in Washington D.C. brings real protection for our people today, exactly the real protection Big Foot sought for his people then."
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I can't believe on a site like the Shroomery I'm having to refute such ignorance.
I have seen this time and time again. Some of the neo-cons that post in the politics section have absolutely no desire to see the war on drugs ended. Why they ruin this forum with their nonsense is open to speculation however. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out they are paid to post their propaganda on web forums such as this.
The cannabis plant has a very wide variety of uses and for one single person to be punished for any of its use is crime. Only an uneducated, uniformed, ignorant, nazi-police state, wannabe thug would support such policy.
But watch out calling them out on it you'll get banned like I have 4x now. We have to re-read the rules but the neo-con slime balls get to post insults and slurs with impunity.
As to the title of this thread, I wish these native americans well on their experiment and am very proud to see more and more people waking up to the reality of the fake war on drugs. Far too many lives have been ruined by it and it has only gotten worse while we focus our wrath overseas.
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zappaisgod
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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#7820206 - 01/01/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cannabis smoking is its own punishment.
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zorbman
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
#7820216 - 01/01/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting. There are already active secessionist movements in California, Oregon and Washington, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, throughout the former Confederate States and in the American Southwest.
Obviously it ain't gonna happen right now. Could it become a trend? It would be interesting to see how these movements would fare if the federal government began to weaken, say, during a war or depression. (Two things I can easily imagine in the not-so distant future).
It might just be that the American Empire is ultimately brought down by...Indians. How ironic.
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kidaihuan
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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: zorbman]
#7821423 - 01/01/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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zorbman said: Interesting. There are already active secessionist movements in California, Oregon and Washington, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii, Vermont, throughout the former Confederate States and in the American Southwest.
Obviously it ain't gonna happen right now. Could it become a trend? It would be interesting to see how these movements would fare if the federal government began to weaken, say, during a war or depression. (Two things I can easily imagine in the not-so distant future).
It might just be that the American Empire is ultimately brought down by...Indians. How ironic.
By the Lakotahs. Indians are from India. And Native Americans are from America. Lakotahs are from Lakotah.
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