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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: kidaihuan]
    #7821527 - 01/01/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks, Mr. Technical Guy.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: zorbman]
    #7830867 - 01/04/08 07:03 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

This is the officially declared border





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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7830921 - 01/04/08 07:25 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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This is the officially declared border





Holy shit. That's a huge chunk of the USA.

They nuked Japan for trying to take Hawaii, so what do you think those dirty racist fucks will do the the Lakotah? It's even bigger and it isn't just dumb ass islands.


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Re: An independent country within the US? [Re: Disco Cat]
    #7831672 - 01/04/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7837260 - 01/05/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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If the federal government doesn't respect their wishes, perhaps they would dynamite it. Imagine what kind of signal that would send. The international community would collectively condemn America if they engaged in genocide, or attacking "terrorists". They have this right.






they'd be really dumb to do that.

firstly it would cement them into the "terrorist" catagory, and generally agitate the general populous and put them at odds with everybody. folks who would've supported their peaceful independence would take exception to a violent bunch of whackos.

secondly it'd hurt their economy. people would still want to visit mt rushmore and all the other shit in their land.. that's income. you don't blow up your income just to thumb your nose at people who are only feigning interest in your petty shit anyway.

thirdly, it's a fucking historic landmark. you don't blow that shit up. you don't shoot the nose off the sphinx. you don't melt down the colossus of rhodes. you don't blow up the buddhas of bamyan.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #7837275 - 01/05/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

Nobody is going to support their anything. They are jerking off.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7837557 - 01/05/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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They are jerking off.




Yup, pretty much the only thing I've seen you do here......:whatever:


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: SoY]
    #7840774 - 01/06/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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They are jerking off.




Yup, pretty much the only thing I've seen you do here......:whatever:




One of your finest and most erudite contributions.  Do you actually think that this will happen?


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7840811 - 01/06/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Nobody has any LOVE for you ZAP!!!!! I hope you don't have a very fragile psyche or low self-esteem :grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7840859 - 01/06/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

There does seem to be a rather touchy bunch around the Pub. Said touchiness does not seem to be a feature of Jadian, though, who I had a nice exchange with in Sports. He LOLed. That said, there are people with a bit of a hardon for me who are mods. WS and the "artist formerly known as Rono" being two. Not to mention that Ythan has me on ignore.
I have my champions too, though, and they don't even often agree with me, but they know damn well that this forum will degenerate into a total liberal wankfest without the few of us who oppose them. I doubt if there is anyone who has been flamed more than me and I really only had serious issue with one Nazi who is now gone gone gone. I knew the Pub is not PD and, well, fuck it, there's a reason why I almost never go there. That thread should have been moved here.

I thought it was pretty funny. I can't tell you what WS said in the PM but it was interesting


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: johnm214]
    #7841633 - 01/06/08 10:01 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

well to be honest I think the natives have every right to have their own country but realistically it will never happen. The US isnt about democracy or treating the down trodden like human beings. Besides if they did do this then every native tribe would want their own country and the US would be more or less gone. Now while I think that would be great I dont see it happening. They wont get anything really from the US government so hopefully they will blow up mount Rushmore.

Heres some "fun" facts: Lokata life expectancy is 44 years old, and they have 150% higher teen suicide rate then the rest of the country. Unemployment is 85% of their people on the reservation. When trying not to starve to death and make some money by growing hemp NOT marijuana the DEA raided the reserve illegally.. ooooh democracy is great huh. Overall, whats the difference between a reserve and a concentration camp? I guess the natives can technically leave the land but thats about it. But then i still cant tell the difference between a corporation and a conspiracy.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7844625 - 01/07/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7844946 - 01/07/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Nobody is going to support their anything.




Nobody?

Are tens of millions of indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere nobody?




Yes, especially Evo Morales. They're going to get nothing. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7845399 - 01/07/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

actually apparently Putin is strongly considering supporting them, my guess is just to piss of the American Government. I am willing to bet most people around the world are pretty sympathetic to most native american causes. But then since when does the US government give two shits about what other people think.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7845570 - 01/07/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #7848129 - 01/08/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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Yes, especially Evo Morales. They're going to get nothing. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.




You are hopelessly naive, ignorant, apathetic & arrogant if you think that issues of justice & liberation:rofl2: for indigenous people in the Western Hemisphere are nothing more than a desire to consume inebriants in excess without restraint.



Although there seems to be a genetic intolerance for alcohol among indigenous North American people, my reference was to your obvious intoxication if you think there will be a partitioning of the USA.
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Considering the only part of occupation & dictatorship that you are familiar with is being the one to occupy & dictate to others, perhaps I am equally naive for thinking you would be capable of understanding what freedom really means since you haven't had others deny it to you.




Freedom?  They are free to participate in USA society as full memebers.  Or to stay on the reservations and build casinos.  There are many things they are not free to do, like the rest of us, one of which is they are not free to carve out a separate state in a large portion of the country.  Justice?  The noble Indigenous was quite as capable of, and fully invested in, war and slavery and delusional spirituality as any white devil.  They lost.  They will not be permitted to secede.  End of story.  If you think otherwise, well then, keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.  And say high to Evo for me, the coke dealing Marxist.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7848781 - 01/08/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)




Freedom? They are free to participate in USA society as full memebers. Or to stay on the reservations and build casinos.




Damn Zappa you gotta really try basing your arguments in something we like to call reality. Its funny to me that people who do psychedelics obviously have a better grasp of this reality then you do. You see in debate there is something called facts which help to get your point across. The freedom you just mentioned is not freedom at all, its like Bill Hicks said "you are free to do as we tell you, you are free to do as we tell you, go back to watching american gladiators". Native Americans are not free to participate in American culture in any real way because of the extreme poverty and rascism put on them and besides they should be free to have their own culture which is thousands of years older. You are saying their only choice for cultural expression is building casinos? As far as racist attitudes goes that is one of the most ridiculous I have heard in a long time. They are living by the American laws more then the American government. Even though the dictatorship of America will not play by their own rules it does not stop the fact that the Lakota have the right to their land. I realize your little brain is really stretching to preserve your narrow world view so it doesnt really deal in facts just ill informed opinions, but why go on political debate forums if you can only make such poor arguments? I guess you just like to piss people off who you consider to be fluff head liberals or something and I can understand that, I dont much care for the whole PC thing myself but at least when I do it I base my arguments in a factual way.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: Mystic_Cannibal]
    #7849046 - 01/08/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

And I think I should be free to fuck anybody I want. Except I'm not. Grow the fuck up.

At any rate, I didn't intend to get in a right or wrong argument with amateur attorneys who think Russel Means is a savior. Nobody is going to be allowed to carve out their own little country. Keep hitting that pipe, Kemosabe.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7849199 - 01/08/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

You cant fuck whoever you want because you have no right to infringe on other peoples freedom. Im guessing that there is a whole lot of people who dont want to fuck you but anyways, I agreed they wont get what they deserve. However they do have the right to the land legally, and its their rights that were originally being infringed upon. Its to bad there are so many white squatters there who wouldnt be willing to give up American citizenship, though they have been given that freedom. Yknow the freedom to determine who rules you? its called democracy. When you realize that then you see the white people on Lakota land are not having their freedoms impinged as they never had a right to be there in the first place. They were mislead into thinking they own the land and the Lakotas graciously will let them stay. So the Lakotas are not free and you are incredibly naive if you think so.

You say you didnt intend to get in an argument about what is right or wrong, then does this mean you understand that the American government is wrong by their own rules? Not to mention the moral issues. I do understand the Lakotas will not be successful unless maybe white peopl e all around the country rise up in violent revolution with them. This is definitely not going to happen however especially not for the Lakotas sake. I do think its naive and wishful thinking to say the Lakotas are gonna have freedom to rule themselves, especially with all that land, even though it is the morally right thing. I never said otherwise so try checking in with that thing I mentioned before yknow REALITY it will really help you make your point in the future.

PS I dont smoke anything, I very rarely do psychedelics anymore I dont even drink coffee so get yourself a new catch phrase kemosabe.


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Re: An independant country within the US? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7849253 - 01/08/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 24 days ago)

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