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B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom
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I hadn't heard from anyone about either of these flowering in the states, or maybe I just missed it. So when I went out the other day and found that not only my caapi but also my rivea were flowering, I almost fell over. The caapi flowers start as tiny greenish white globes. They get larger and the green capsule opens and now I'm seeing pink globes inside. I think that is the flower which just hasn't opened yet. They are very small, so far, considering that caapi seeds are large. There are thousands of seeds on my main plant and maybe a couple hundred on my other one. My other two outdoor caapis which are younger, have not flowered yet.

The rivea are forming little cones which are striped purple and green. None of those have opened yet either. I have a few hundred flowers of them.

I'll take pics when the flowers start to open. Is it easy to post pics here?


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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yes it is easy, and I can't wait to see them!

Where do you live, southern Florida?

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Knoa6]
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Would you be willing to part with some Caapi seeds?


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Crasher]
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Very encouraging to hear, can't wait for pictures. :thumbup:


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: plainswalker]
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It seems that rivea occasionally flowers but so far I haven't heard from anyone with caapi flowering. It may be that this is the year for it, or the coming year. I may or may not get any seeds out of the deal. I had HBWR growing for years and tons of flowers but not a single seed. I have 2 caapi flowering but they may be the same sex. Even if each plant has both, they may need another plant to produce fertile seeds. I have 2 but I don't recall if the other is a clone of the first one or not. Can't remember if they are seed grown or clones. That all could be significant. But, I'll get to see the flowering process at the least. That is something.

The pink capsules are getting bigger. If I didn't know better I might think those were the seeds but they aren't. Caapi seeds are big with long wings and you need flowers before you get seeds. I don't think I've ever seen a flower develop the way these are. I have buds in all stages of development. I'll document each stage with photos a little later as they develop further and there is something more to see.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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Progress so far: A few of the pink capsules have opened and formed pink flowers with a complicated structure in the center. I assume it's anther and stamens but could be just one sex.

I still don't know if they are self fertile or not. I will definitely try to cross pollenate them from the other plant when they are both at the same stage. I did that with my hbwr and I still had no luck but I'm hoping for something here. It will likely be a couple months at the least before any viable seeds. Might be never but it's neat to see them flower eventually.

Those of you who haven't had flowering yet have something to look forward to. It is definitely possible. Maybe some day we will be swapping pollen.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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The pink capsules get bigger and then open and become the petals for the flower. Inside are stamens and pistles. I'm going to try to post a photo. It uploaded and hopefully everyone can see it



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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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Beautiful!

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: NiamhNyx]
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gorgeous blooms stone.

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: ApacheShaman]
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I was going to snap a pic of my rivea blooms today. But when I went out to look at them, the two flowers that were about to open the day before had both dropped off. I expect the others will do the same. Oh well.

The caapi flowers under magnifying glass look like several little sticky blobs on stalks and a few other structures that look like pollen anthers. I can't tell yet if any have been pollenated or not. Probably not but it's fun to watch


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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are they night bloomers???

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: cpw1971]
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cpw, no, the caapi flowers stay open all the time. The rivea have so far dropped off soon as they open. Kind of a disappointment there. I don't expect seeds from either one but it would be nice.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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Very nice, Stoney!

If your caapi is v. Caupuri (the most common) it doesn´t sets seeds. But var. Tucunacá does set seed easily, it´s leaves are kinda yellow and green compared to caupuri variety.

I´m very disappointed with my Ipomoea too, as I never wake up early enough to see a decent flower. :|


FH

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: felixhigh]
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I didn't know Caupuri didn't set seed.
Is Tucunaca considered a yellow ayahuasca?
What variety is considered black?

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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Knoa6]
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With all due respect, Felix, I do not believe there is a species that does not set seed. It may be difficult but if they never set seed they would die out. I have no idea what variety mine is. I do have a plant that is supposedly "black" caapi. It of course is not flowering at the moment.

I don't expect seed from either of them. The funny thing is that they were under light 24/7 when they started blooming. I have a strong streetlight which shines on them all night. If they bloom every year, I'll probably get seeds eventually.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Knoa6]
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Knoa: Here in Brazil caapi has names rather than colours, differently from Peru.

Stoney: That was told to me by James007, he does really seems to know his shit.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: felixhigh]
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Felix, where does James live? That variety of caapi may not set seed for him and mine may likewise not set any but that doesn't mean they don't ever produce seeds. It just means they need the right conditions first. My hbwr never set seed but I know it can because I've seen seeds from it. All plants set seed.

If my caapi start to flower every year then some day I may have seeds. Maybe even this year but that's a long shot.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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He´s from Brazil, he´s conditions for growing Caapi are optimal.

But good luck for you anyways, I hope it gives you tons of seeds!


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: felixhigh]
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I doubt I'll get a single seed but I'm just saying that all plants are capable of producing seeds under the right conditions. Does James plant flower every year? My plants are under streetlights at night. That may have made them flower. We had some freezing recently but they are still doing OK.


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Re: B caapi and rivea corymbosa in bloom [Re: Stonehenge]
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Good news, my caapi have produced a few seeds. It was probably less than 1% of the total number of flowers but anything is nice after it looked like there would be nothing. I may end up with 40 or 50 seeds. All the early flowers fell off with nothing to show but some of the later flowers did develop.

The rivea also produced some seeds from late flowers. I have photos of the rivea flowers and caapi seeds. I need to upload them.


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