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Using Gravity for CO2 Removal
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My foaf suggests placing your casing trays in your fruiting chamber on a slight angle, so that the heavier CO2 will drain away down the slope contributing to CAE at the micro level.

If you are using cakes, place them on wire mesh, a few inches above your humidifier agent. The CO2 will drop away and flow through holes drilled strategically in the FC.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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The whole "foaf" thing won't save you in court and looks silly, otherwise this sounds reasonable.

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
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Who said anything about court?

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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Captain Cubensis said:
Who said anything about court?


Sorry, I just assumed this was like the people who put disclaimers in their signatures saying that all their posts are fictitious and that they don't actually exist.

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
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no what he meant was his pet turtle's friend who happens to be an albino corn snake.....

oh yeah that won't work because co2 won't pour off. otherwise all of the co2 would would out weight the O on earth and we'd suffocate


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: xhooliganx]
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xhooliganx said:
no what he meant was his pet turtle's friend who happens to be an albino corn snake.....

oh yeah that won't work because co2 won't pour off.  otherwise all of the co2 would would out weight the O on earth and we'd suffocate


LOL!  I'm glad you said it!!!  :thumbup:


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: The shroomy 1]
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What you guys and RR especially seem to neglect in your thought process is that the Earth has huge massive air currents to keep everything balanced out. Convection is constantly churning the air around us, pretty much evenly distributing the CO2 that occurs in the atmosphere all around.

CO2 IS heavier than air, and without any kind of air current to keep it from sinking, it will. An FC is generally a fairly still-air environment, meaning the CO2 is dispersed very little thoughout the air inside the chamber. I'm sure if you had some kind of gas composite analyzer to take a sample of the air lower in the FC, it would more than likely read at least marginally higher levels of CO2 near the bottom.


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Premedman1 said:
:lol: I just shat my pants.

Edited by Skeeblix (10/12/07 01:29 AM)

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Skeeblix]
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the ammount of air movement in a FC versus it's size, is nowhere near as small as typhoons and hurricanes in our earth's atmosphere. if you just leave your FC to do it's thing without any FAE hoping the co2 would "drain" off will provide much smaller yields then a good FAE system. And as for the Signiture thingy (like mine) why on earth would i want to say "All my posts arn't as bad as they seem, i'm really a crack and LSD dealer, they're the big bucks drugs, arrest me fuckers"... that's just stupid... but come to think about it, so is saying my posts are works of fiction. But then again, it was fact that the earth was FLAT a century or 2 ago... so who knows... maybe these posts are fiction, or maybe ive just had too much weed and am babbling on, haha... but yea, dont do the whole CO2 draining off thing.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Skeeblix]
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Skeeblix said:
What you guys and RR especially seem to neglect in your thought process is that the Earth has huge massive air currents to keep everything balanced out. Convection is constantly churning the air around us, pretty much evenly distributing the CO2 that occurs in the atmosphere all around.

CO2 IS heavier than air, and without any kind of air current to keep it from sinking, it will. An FC is generally a fairly still-air environment, meaning the CO2 is dispersed very little throughout the air inside the chamber. I'm sure if you had some kind of gas composite analyzer to take a sample of the air lower in the FC, it would more than likely read at least marginally higher levels of CO2 near the bottom.


Thanks bro, you are right, they don't seem to understand that a FC is not an analog to a PLANET!

Seems like it goes without saying, but they just like to call you wrong so much they often don't stop to make sure you actually are wrong.

In a near stale air environment like a FC between fanning, yes, the CO2 will settle on the bottom, and if you release O2 from below, it will rise up and replace the CO2 as it drains away.

Again, this does not replace FAE, it is a tek for in between fanning.

Also, as far as level flat casing top, how many flat planes do mushies grow on in nature?


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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Captain Cubensis said:
In a near stale air environment like a FC between fanning, yes, the CO2 will settle on the bottom, and if you release O2 from below, it will rise up and replace the CO2 as it drains away.



this is where you are wrong. especially with your fruiting chamber
that has small holes drilled all through the sides.
fruiting chambers never, ever should be stagnant. they should
receive fresh air exchanges multiple times per hour. and if this
is done, or if the lid is left open, or if there are holes in the side,
then the air is not even close to stagnant.

and co2 buildup is a good thing to an extent by the way, not a bad thing.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: monstermitch]
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Does higher CO2 benefit your fruits?

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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Not to a noticeable degree.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: xaxphaanes]
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Does higher O2 benefit your fruits?

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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it depends on the stage you are in.

during colonization and the setting of hyphal knots, a high
concentration of co2 helps quite a bit.
it helps create a better pinset.
one of the functions of a casing layer is to trap co2 at the surface
of the colonized substrate.

once primordia are formed, fresh air exchanges are introduced
several times an hour and the co2 levels then drop dramatically.
from this point on, constant air movement is what you want.
not high o2 levels, normal air. lots of it.
so no, high o2 levels don't benefit anything, but constantly moving
turbulent air sure will, but only in the fruiting stage.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: monstermitch]
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So stale is better until pins form, then FAE?

What do you think of Wronguy's fan method?

It seems a circulating fan blowing toward the tubs holes facilitates near constant flow.

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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yes.
when casing is applied, or when a substrate is still colonizing
or setting it's knots, stale air is best.
it's not mandatory by any means.
a substrate can be introduced to fresh air before the hyphal
knots form, but it is then likely to have a suffering pinset.
ask Wronguy if he has great pinsets, or suffering pinsets? I would
wager it would be the latter, not the former.

once primordia form though, in any situation, fresh air exchanges
need to immediately begin taking place for best results.
co2 no longer becomes a factor then.

so basically high co2 for pre-pinning stages.
and high FAE as soon as primordia (pins) begin to form.
so as soon as they form, FAE is their best friend.
but before that, a high co2 content is the best friend.


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Captain Cubensis]
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I'm thinking of killing two birds with one stone - probably already been tried, but I think its an ok idea:

Why not put a narrow and tallish glass inside the FC with some H2O2'd water in it...and an aquarium bubbler at the bottom? Just thread the tube through a hole in the side of the container which will be sealed with silicone. On the other side of the FC, put a hole or two about mid-way up and stuff with [>insert name of cotton-wool-like stuff that doesnt absorb moisture here<].

Wouldn't that work to a) humidify and b) exchange air?


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: Skeeblix]
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Really quickly, because it's getting kind of tedious at this point...

If your fruiting chamber (greenhouse or terrarium) is in anyway a "relatively still-air environment" as mentioned above you're already doing yourself a rather significant disservice in terms of environmental conditions for healthy fruiting.

You'd be hard pressed to find a location within your house that was confined enough to allow this to happen. Just the process of the pressure in your house equalizing after a breeze blows past it will create enough air currents in the entire structure to prevent CO2 from settling out of the air. Add to that any fans, central-air, heating. Any lights, electrical devices as well as people or animals moving from room to room. Any doors opening or closing, toilets flushing, etc. Any / all of those things will further make it impossible for the CO2 to settle out of the air.

Or, to state it simply... an empty house has too much air-flow to allow the CO2 to separate out and anything more active than an empty house only further makes it impossible for it to separate out.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.

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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: mycocurious]
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Quote:
Thanks bro, you are right, they don't seem to understand that a FC is not an analog to a PLANET!

Seems like it goes without saying, but they just like to call you wrong so much they often don't stop to make sure you actually are wrong.

In a near stale air environment like a FC between fanning, yes, the CO2 will settle on the bottom, and if you release O2 from below, it will rise up and replace the CO2 as it drains away.



You would be well advised to take a basic science course prior to calling other people wrong. I've posted many times on this subject to try to help clear the misunderstandings and down right ignorant shit I've seen posted here, but little can rival this.

Do you have a CO2 sensor? I do. Do you have an O2 sensor? I do. Do you have a meter that can read ppm of particulate in the air? I do.

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What you guys and RR especially seem to neglect in your thought process is that the Earth has huge massive air currents to keep everything balanced out. Convection is constantly churning the air around us, pretty much evenly distributing the CO2 that occurs in the atmosphere all around.

CO2 IS heavier than air, and without any kind of air current to keep it from sinking, it will. An FC is generally a fairly still-air environment, meaning the CO2 is dispersed very little thoughout the air inside the chamber. I'm sure if you had some kind of gas composite analyzer to take a sample of the air lower in the FC, it would more than likely read at least marginally higher levels of CO2 near the bottom.



Here's a news flash. The fruiting chamber I designed has holes in all six sides. This results in convection and circulation. It is NOT a still air environment! The mushroom substrates produce heat, and also the lighting that shines through the fruiting chamber produces heat. These two produce convection. Perhaps if you'd read posts before jumping into shit you know nothing of, you'd have seen that. Sorry, but this pisses me off. Don't attack my work because you don't understand the science behind it.

Now, in a so-called 'shotgun' fruiting chamber with holes on all six sides, would you suppose the CO2 drains out the bottom? It doesn't. It mixes with the air. I see absolutely NO change in CO2 concentration from the top to the bottom of the fruiting chamber. CO2 levels are higher than ambient in the room, but lower than they would be in a 'still air' terrarium, as if anyone who has knowledge of the life cycle of fungi would ever make such a thing.

Do your homework before trashing others work please.
RR


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Re: Using Gravity for CO2 Removal [Re: RogerRabbit]
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:rockon:


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