OrgoneConclusion said:

Something unknowable is something you can't know.

I come here regularly to pick up little jewels like this.

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backfromthedead said:

I refuse to believe that anything is unknowable.

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Icelander said:

Having had the time to let things sink in over fifty some years it has become apparent to me that whatever constitutes the whole of reality is vast beyond anything I can contemplate.

When I was a kid life seemed somewhat simple and straightforward although confusing, but with the solid belief that everything would come clear with time.

I listen to the posts here of those who struggle with day to day living and keeping heart and mind together. Everyone wants definitive answers to the problems and questions of life but they never seem to come up straightforward as we would like. There is a murkiness to our ability to understand the meanings and purpose for everything. Truths change as awareness grows but the ultimate knowledge we seek stays just out ahead the same distance, unknowable and expanding exponentially with our ability to contemplate life.

The fact that each of us are ultimately alone as far as being able to share our innermost experience accurately with others and the fact that we will at some time experience loss and death leads many to quiet desperation at times. Plus growing, and for those not too afraid, having to give up tightly held beliefs such as God, country, purpose, ultimate meaning, and realizing that we do not know answers to seemingly important questions, leaves one, at moments of clarity, confronted with the magnitude of the immensity of whatever it is that is happening in this unknowable experience.

"The unknowable is the indescribable, the unthinkable, the unrealizable. It is something that will never be known to us, and yet it is there , dazzling and at the same time horrifying in its vastness." -don Juan Matus

One may at one time realize the futility of trying to understand the unknowable. Yet something in our minds or programs cannot let go and we continue in overt or covert ways to daily strive to have an answer as if that could somehow save us from how infinity in it's horrifying vastness makes us feel.

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That was pretty good

backfromthedead said:

We will always be standing at the threshold if nobody takes on the task of figuring the next 'thing' out because it is 'unknowable'.
Technology is now moving at quite a whirl, no??
Science has developed quite an arsenal of gadgets and instruments of measurement, yes??
I refuse to believe that anything is unknowable.
We know more and more everyday if into making progress.
I think we are.

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backfromthedead said:

"Cause you and nobody else can figure it out."

We will always be standing at the threshold if nobody takes on the task of figuring the next 'thing' out because it is 'unknowable'.
Technology is now moving at quite a whirl, no??
Science has developed quite an arsenal of gadgets and instruments of measurement, yes??
I refuse to believe that anything is unknowable.
We know more and more everyday if into making progress.
I think we are.

(Ecclesiastes 1:9-14 NIV) "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

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Good luck with that. How do you know you know what you know, and that you haven't decieved yourself?

How do you know that the foundations of knowledge we have built our entire society on aren't somehow flawed? There are many ways of knowing, of concieving of our world and our relationships to it, some of which have been lost to 'progress.' We can build the most elaborate models we can concieve of to explain reality, but they will never be more than models that help us get around and not be stifled by dumbfounded unknowing. "Don't look at my finger, look at the moon." This is all our knowledge systems are, fingers pointing at the moon. At some point, if we wish to live, we must make some sort of leap, a choice of what we wish to make of ourselves and experience. This leap cannot take away our unknowing, but it is much more authentic than devoting oneself to an ideology that tidily packages answers so that one may avoid facing themselves. Deal with it.

NiamhNyx said:

Good luck with that. How do you know you know what you know, and that you haven't decieved yourself?
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How do you know that the foundations of knowledge we have built our entire society on aren't somehow flawed? There are many ways of knowing, of concieving of our world and our relationships to it, some of which have been lost to 'progress.' We can build the most elaborate models we can concieve of to explain reality, but they will never be more than models that help us get around and not be stifled by dumbfounded unknowing. "Don't look at my finger, look at the moon." This is all our knowledge systems are, fingers pointing at the moon. At some point, if we wish to live, we must make some sort of leap, a choice of what we wish to make of ourselves and experience. This leap cannot take away our unknowing, but it is much more authentic than devoting oneself to an ideology that tidily packages answers so that one may avoid facing themselves. Deal with it.

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Nice post....!     
One could surmise from this that it takes a little "faith" to take part in reality itself....   


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