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Re: A horrifying thought (who else feels this way?) [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9723173 - 02/02/09 02:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Language can explain what we are experiencing, thought and speech.  We have words for many things in life.  What we don't have a word for we describe it with language.  You mention taste and when language breaks down we still try to describe it, we do that with language.  The only thing i have managed to not be able to describe is love and the the psychedelic experience (especially breakthrough DMT).


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Re: A horrifying thought (who else feels this way?) [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9723300 - 02/02/09 03:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Why is it non-sense?  Everything your thinking about right now is in words.  We use words to explain the world and thought.  With out language thought wouldn't exist.  Keep thinking about this, after a while it starts to make sense, especially on a psychedelic.  The world is made of language.


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Re: A horrifying thought (who else feels this way?) [Re: Lakefingers]
    #9723582 - 02/02/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, on psychedelics any loony idea makes sense.




Okay i understand your point of view.  But i have to disagree with this.


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Re: A horrifying thought (who else feels this way?) [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #9724332 - 02/02/09 05:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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You think humans are so different from other animals...




How would that change anything? Really, that would just give me more hope that we can all, as sentient beings, live harmoniously on this little planet. And, it's true, in a way, that we aren't different.

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no, not really.  Not from other mammals especially.  We have a neo-cortex and a brain that specializes in language thats pretty much it.




There are other species with intricate social systems (apes most obviously, as well as penguins, dolphins, and many others), and there are other species that construct things (anthills, bird nests, etc. - also, elephants will purposively knock down trees out of anger). What differentiates humans from other species, IMO, is our ability to constantly make novel connections between ideas. This naturally lead us to language and other specializations.

I was watching a BBC documentary on man's evolution, and one of the commentators theorized that our ancestors made their stone tools like how birds make their nests. Meaning, for tens of thousands of years, there was virtually no progression in our level of technology. We made our tools unthinkingly, almost instinctually. Then, something miraculous happened, and we started to innovate.

The crazy drug taking side of me would like to say ancient man discovered cannabis and/or 'magical mushrooms', and it gave him new perspectives that inspired him to innovate. For what it's worth, cannabis farming appears to have been going on for just about as long as farming itself. But the more realistic side of me says this all more had to changes in diet, which relates to do with changes in climate and other broader factors.

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