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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73129 - 01/27/00 05:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Well this is my first time growing and I am using the MMGG meathod with the brownrice/verm cakes, and I inogulated on new years, and they still aren't fully colonized, one of them is very close, and the others have a long way to go... =\ I think I may have to start over, cause this is taking forever... =(

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73131 - 01/27/00 07:59 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Give up, its not worth the hassle


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73132 - 01/27/00 10:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.. the cambodia strain will grow fine on rice cakes.

Jim Shoe, your substrate was probably to wet or to dry. This strains is extremely fast.
I can get it to colonize 1/2 pint jars of finch seed in only 10 days... which means it could easily do rice jars in less.

A good way to judge moisture for almost any substrate.. is to take and handfull and give it a good squeeze... it should be just barely dripping water. If its running water.. its to wet. If your haveing a hard time to get any water to drip.. its to dry. Just a basic eyeball measuring tek.

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73133 - 01/28/00 11:52 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Another thing might be that the tempature is too cold Jim Sh0e. I suggest you make an incubator (assuming you don't have one) to keep the jars at a constant 84-86 degrees.
Don't through them out... they deserve a chance.


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73134 - 01/28/00 12:15 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I heard something mentioned on another topic about using organic rye flour. has anyone tried this with success? I have 3 jars innoculated, but haven't had any growth as of yet. I'd like to know if water amounts have to be varied, or any other changes to the substrate recipie.


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73135 - 01/28/00 01:03 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Well to be honest I had the exact same problem using brown rice flour with the cambodians. I do know what I am doing, and I am sure I was at 85-86 F and I know the substrate was not too dry or too wet...

BUT!!! I am starting to wonder if this strain just had a problem on PF mix? Has anyone seen fast growth on it? Ryche I trust you completely, you are amazing... I am sure it does wonderfully on finch seed... I only know what I have seen so far. It seems slow on PF mix..

Unless someone else has results that point the other way I would say, it might be better... let me rephrase that.. If you are fruiting on cakes, it is ALWAYS better to use Ryche' mix.. I only use PF cakes as spawn beacause they seem to resist contamination a little better than birdseed. But if you are going to be fruiting directly off the cake, take the time and do things right... The birdseed mix is much more nutricious.

OH!!! Ryche!!! I almost forgot... When did you make your 1000'th post? I guessd the 23rd remember!!!

ThE JafF

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73136 - 01/28/00 02:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm having no probs at all with this strain. Its extremly fast colonizing 1/2 pints in 11 days from spore. 7 days after germination I had 100% colonization in 3 jars. MadMax, yes organic rye flour works well. I used the regular ole MMGG substrate with the exception of the rye flour in place of BRF. I'm also trying something new I found at the grocery store in my substrate. Its called 'wheat germ', its working awesome. It gives the substrate a very clumpy sticky texture but the cambodia is tearing it UP! I also started some tasmanian cubensis on the 'wheat germ' and its taking to it very well also. Anyway, the Cambodian strain colonizes PF substrate the same any other cubensis does, just faster. If your having problems with it, I'd suspect an improper moisture content in your substrate. Keep trying this strain is definately worth while. I have about 200 small pins in my casing right now so it won't be long :wink: its been 1 month from spore to fruit, AWESOME! Thanks again for this superb strain Ryche :wink:


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73137 - 01/28/00 02:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Now this is what I can't understand... "Your post!!!" You said it works fine with pf substrate.. but then you say I used the mmgg (same as pf basically) but I used rye flour!!! THAT IS NOT THE SAME... the brown rice flour is the only source of nutrient in pf mix.. if you change that, you do not have pf mix, or specifically you do not have a brown rice flour mix. They are not the same.. Whole grain brown rice does not preform the same way whole grain rye berries do. And it isn't just due to the consistancey.. They have different nutrient contents... What I am suggesting is that this cambodian strain may not be adapted well to brown rice flour for some reason, specifically it may not grow fast on it. Why I am not sure. It is just an observation.. Jars prepared from the exact same batch (meaning mixed at the same time in the same bowl) AKA THE SAME MIX.... of perfect moisture content I assure you... were also innoculated with a mysterious strain that should have been slower. It was not slower. It has grown at about the same rate, a few jars were faster. I don't think its a bad strain... It is as good as any other so far in my limited experience with it, but maybe I would see faster growth on a different substrate. If you have tried BROWN RICE FLOUR substrate and got these amazingly fast results, then please CLEARLY say so. If I am wrong about this, then at least I can go on and look for some other mystery variable, which I can assure you is not moisture content or temperature...

Your use of wheat germ is interesting.. Have you fully colonized the cambodia on it? If so, how fast was it?

ThE JafF

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73138 - 01/28/00 02:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

What I meant was I used the MMGG substrate but instead of using Brown Rice Flour I used Rye flour. I still used the same measurements and everything. I just substituted the BRF with Rye Flour. I don't think there was a major difference but I can't tell because I don't have any regular jars using BRF to compare to. The wheat germ seems to be a great discovery. So far both cambodian and tasmanian mycelium seem to love the addition of wheat germ in the substrate. I only have about 30% so far but all seems to be going well. I'm going to try crushed corn next?(who knows?) I love experimenting :wink:


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73139 - 01/28/00 05:24 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

How much wheat germ did you ad?


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73140 - 01/28/00 07:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thats my only problem, I didn't document how much I added. I know it was close to equal parts with vermiculite and a pinch of BRF. The reason I tried the wheat germ is because I couldn't find flax meal, only flax seed. So I decided to experiment with something new and picked up wheat germ flakes. I only used the wheat germ flakes in 3 jars because I wasn't sure it would work. To my suprise it did. So I'll continue to experiment with it so I can come up with a recipe. For right now I'll mess around and see what works and what doesn't. I might try a 1 jar of pure wheat germ and see what happens, who knows?


The Lizard,

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73141 - 01/28/00 08:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Actually lizard king, flax seed meal, is just flax seed ground up. Lately, I haven't been using the ground flax seed, just using it whole and adding it in with the birdseed after its cooked. Seem to be working fine.

So far I have heard amazing results back from the cambodia on rye grain, cow dung, horse dung, finch seed, bird seed, rye flour, and to be honest, these are the first reports I've read of it on rice.

I cant imagine that it would not do well on rice, considering it grows wild in the rice fields in Cambodia!

I'm going to be inoculating some more jars soon, I'll try a rice/verm ones just to check it out with my own eyes. But its always been my experience that cubensis do very well on rice.

Although some strains do tend to change.
A perfect example is the Ecaudor. One of my partners in crime who is a very experienced grower grew out the ecaudor on rye grain and dung and sent me back some huge prints. These are what I'm currently using now. And I've been getting a lot of emails the last month from ppl saying the ecaudor is colonizing extremely fast, and I noticed this myself, much faster then I'm use to seeing for the ecauador. I"m curious to see if the spores I get from these mushrooms, grown out on finch seed, from the spores of my partner, will NOW produce a faster ecuador strain as well.

Jaff, as for the 1,000 post, yes you were 2nd closest, the winner was only off by 88 minutes :wink:

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73142 - 01/29/00 12:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

2nd CLOSEST!!! AHHWW That sucks!!


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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73143 - 01/29/00 09:33 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

2nd does suck. Awww well... 88 minutes is so impressive I can't feel bad. I'm too much in awe...

Anyway. I have been thinking about this brown rice thing... And I would have thought it would work out the other way around, BUT.. Maybe BECAUSE this species is so used to rice it grows slowly on it. As if it was tired of it.. I know with clones, you are supposed to vary the substrate to avoid this problem, but I didn't think it would happen even over time, with spore. Maybe it has just had rice so much it says...

"Shit, rice again."

or when it gets birdseed it says..

"Man I never get birdseed, eat it quick before someone takes it away..."

Ok I am way too tired.. I have no business posting right now..

ThE JafF



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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73144 - 01/31/00 03:48 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I prepared some jars this week in advance preperation for a Cambodian syringe I'm expecting from good old Ryche Hawk. I'm experimenting with quinoa. Actually, I have 2 jars with brown rice flour, 2 jars with freshly ground wheat flour and potato water, and then 5 other jars with varying amounts of quinoa, manure and/or flour. I hope to see whether the different nutritional content of the jars makes for different growth patterns. I can hardly wait! :biggrin:

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73145 - 01/31/00 04:33 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Ok.. I just got done cookin'.... I decided to figure out what is going on once and for all... Also I have some news..

When I last tried on Brown Rice Flour, 2 out of 9 Cambodian jars didn't germinate... Of the other 7 that did, right now only 4 have finished colonizing. Today is 5 weeks. BUT on 4 weeks to the day one of the jars that hadn't germinated, did.... It immediatly caught up to the other jars, and is more that 3/4 colonized right now. Strange huh!

Anyway, on to the experiment... I cooked 4 jars of brown rice flour, 4 of rye flour.. to compare the growth of the two. Now, I quickly remembered why I don't use rye flour. When you add water it immedatly turns to glue, like soy flour... If I remember correctly I should unload my cooker tomorrow morning to find sever bricks of rye flour... Anyway.. I am also trying 2 experimental substrates just in case.. 4 of each of these.

The first is the same kind of mix, but with powdered milk in place of the brown rice flour, the other is rye flour, a spoon of powdered milk, and 1/2tsp of honey added to the water..

Oh did I mention I am trying this with 3 other species as well (only 1 jar of each substrate though). The A strain, Plantasia, and Gulf Coast Alabama... It will be interesting to see how each strain handles each substrate. I will keep everyone updated...

ThE JafF

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73146 - 01/31/00 06:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hello jafF, I noticed that my substrate was kinda sticky when using rye flour, but it didn't slow things down a bit. By day 15 or so after germination, all 12 of my jars were finished, most by day 10, 3 by day 8. I've cased 10 of the 12 jars and the other 2 jars I used as spawn to inoculate 1/2 gallon bags of cow manure collected from a local field. So far the manure bags are around 30% colonized, its hard to tell. One of my peat/verm casing will be ready to harvest in a few days. So trust me rye flour works fine. I didn't start them on BRF until a few days ago, so I can't tell if rye works better for this strain or not, because I have no base for comparison. But theres growth in the jars using BRF, so I know both flours will work.

My wheat germ experiment, so far appears to be a failure. The jar of cambodian that I started on wheat germ busted. I dropped it on the floor the 2 day after germination. So now I have the tasmanian strain on wheat germ in 1 jar. At first it bursted out with strong growth. Then it slowed to almost a hault the past day or so. I'm not sure if its the substrate or just slow growing mycelium.I've never grown tasmania mycelia before.

Anyway, I hope you get jars full of white stuff :wink: good luck to you.

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73147 - 02/04/00 08:49 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Well thank you...

I do still have faith in the rye... It was long ago that I experimented with rye flour, and perhaps I never gave it a fair chance... I know I had slow growth with it, and then attributed that to its sticky nature... I only did one try... I may have just been inexperienced at the time. I am on day 3 right now.. So far nothing, but we will see. I am sure they will spring to life any day now.. If so I will switch to rye immediatly... It was CHEAP!!! 3 times less expensive than organic brown rice flour!!! I'm also giving that honey water a try now...

ThE JafF



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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73148 - 02/04/00 12:37 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Heya Jaff,
You forgot to mention those jars of cambodia that started colonizing a month later were from the Cambodia batch #2 that lots of ppl said did not germinate for them.

So if there is anyone out there with cams #2 jars, and you have not thrown them out yet... you may want to hang on to them, they may just be take off late as The Jaffs did for some reason. Very very strange.
All other reports of batches from the Cambodians right now are very good, and hearing they are colonizing and very fast speeds, such as Lizard Kings post above.

I just love this strain. Its colonizing compost now amazinging fast as well.

I recently cased some cambodians on colonized finch seed in one patch. In another patch I laid down some 1/2 pint cakes, cut in 1/2 so 1/4 pint circles, then laid a 2" layer of pasturized compost on top of that, they a 1/2" layer of casing soil.

The first patch fruited within 10 days of casing, the patch with the compost is not fruiting, about 17 days after laying it down. I was amazing it colonized the compost in this manner so fast and is fruiting already.

I also put a crumbled 1/2 pint cake of cams in a gallon size bag of compost... and it fully colonized that in about 2 weeks.
More on these experiments later..

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Re: Cambodia cakes?
    #73149 - 02/05/00 12:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I just innoculated 6 jars of BRF/verm and finch seed/verm with this strain. In three days I have seen no signs of germination; although this is my first time growing, and the jars did reach an excess of 100 degrees for about two hours (whoops) so I may have cooked the poor spores. I'll update with my progress though.

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