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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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I think you would need a new SSN and DL number, etc. Basically a new identity.

I have the same problem when renting a place. It sucks, but there is not much you can do about it.

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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The only suggestion I would make would be to try finding work at smaller businesses that are unlikely to be able to afford background checks for all applicants.

Faking the application is no good because if it comes out that you're even remotely lying, you'll probably lose the job for that reason alone.

Also, give up on the casinos. Casino's are required to do tons of background checks to make sure that you're not in on a potential cheating scam.

Finally, just don't get caught by the law again. Is it really that hard to leave your paraphenalia at home?

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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SubGen1us said:
Ive been having alto of problems getting a good job lately due to a paraphernalia charge i got back in `02.

I was wondering is there any way to fake it on an application due to changing my county where i live or whatever.

I'm open to suggestions because I'm trying to get a job at this casino where i live but they say they wont even consider my application if i have a drug related charge within the past 10 years.

Please help. Thanx!


Get a free attorney consult from out of the phone book. Talk about the possibility of expunging your record. The fee should be no more than $500 total for his service, or look in to doing it yourself. If you do it yourself, like I did, it will probably take longer... Attorneys have ways of expediting paperwork that I don't know about.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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Lie, just dont put it down. Alot of places say they background check but never do.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: RosettaStoned]
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If you lie they can fire you at any time they want, maybe even prosecute you. Contrary to Rosetta's morality it is best to tell the truth. For all parties.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
If you lie they can fire you at any time they want, maybe even prosecute you. Contrary to Rosetta's morality it is best to tell the truth. For all parties.


I really doubt that their are many instances in which lying about your history to a private company could support prosecution.

If you are not elidgible to be expunged, you might try changing your county or state of residence so that you were never in the area in which you were convicted. Most places check the county records where you've lived, unless your state agregates conviction data for use by private corps.

The problem with this is you most likely have refrences in the same county/state you've been convicted in. How to have good refrences while not placing yourself in the area you were convicted in?

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: zappaisgod]
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Lol your so full of it as usual zappoid, unless ur a child molester applying for daycare work (and wtf would they not check backgrounds???) then the only thing u have to worry about is being fired. In any situation where u could even think of being in trouble for lying about background check would be the places where they WOULD check. Thus u wouldn't get away w/ lying anyway. If u lie and get away w/ it then u did exactly that, they wont check 5mo down the road and even if they did its not illegal. Not like id expect a rabid frothing neo-con to apply common sense though.

Also lying about a pot charge has jack shit to do w/ morality as the drug laws themselves are immoral on numerous grounds. The exact opposite however is true, it is perfectly acceptable to lie about a conviction for an immoral, unjust and unconstitutional law.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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Can't you get the record exponged?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=exponged&btnG=Search


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: Luddite]
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I could commit any crime and they wouldn't fire me as long as I come to work.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: RosettaStoned]
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RosettaStoned said:
Lol your so full of it as usual zappoid, unless ur a child molester applying for daycare work (and wtf would they not check backgrounds???) then the only thing u have to worry about is being fired. In any situation where u could even think of being in trouble for lying about background check would be the places where they WOULD check. Thus u wouldn't get away w/ lying anyway. If u lie and get away w/ it then u did exactly that, they wont check 5mo down the road and even if they did its not illegal. Not like id expect a rabid frothing neo-con to apply common sense though.

Also lying about a pot charge has jack shit to do w/ morality as the drug laws themselves are immoral on numerous grounds. The exact opposite however is true, it is perfectly acceptable to lie about a conviction for an immoral, unjust and unconstitutional law.


Two things of note here.
This has to be mostly a parody of English
And beware the stories of Rosetta Stoned as he can justify any lie with his unique view on when and why it is OK to lie. It is not OK to lie about drug use on a job application, ever. The employer has a right to know if he has a reason to believe that the prospective employee is more likely to miss work, be less healthy, less productive and less reliable. By asking the question he has shown that he cares about those things. Or he hires you anyway. Either way, it is solely his decision to make on whether to hire the applicant and he can ask anything he wants about voluntary behavior, request a drug test, and ask about criminal convictions (not arrests, convictions).

Rosetta has an interesting moral compass. It points wherever he wants it to. Not much use as a guide, though, when the compass can point anywhere at all.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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what state do you live in? in some states, you may be able to get your record sealed or expunged.

you can lie, but i wouldn't. a surpisingly large number of employers will not refuse to hire you solely because of your record if it doesn't impact your ability to do the job (in many states doing so is illegal). for nearly all employers, it is standard procedure to fire anyone who lies on their application.

give up on casinos. any job having to do with responsibilty for money, drugs, expensive equipment, or children is probably not going to work out for you.

that doesn't mean you won't be able to find a decent job. i have a felony conviction but hold a regular job with decent pay and benefits. look at smaller businesses. they are usually less likely to be concerned about criminal records. where i work, they never even asked.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: zappaisgod]
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It is not OK to lie about drug use on a job application, ever. The employer has a right to know if he has a reason to believe that the prospective employee is more likely to miss work, be less healthy, less productive and less reliable.


Once again I am just befuddled at why you even troll a msg board devoted to the legalization of mind altering substances. You flat out generalize all people w/ a drug conviction on their record as "less healthy, less productive and less reliable". This is absolute baseless discrimination. Just as demanding a seizure of urine w/o a warrant is violation of the 4th amendment; not as if I am delusional enough to think a neo-con has respect for our constitution though. Do you honestly believe anyone here thinks you are anything but a paid shrill? How much do you get paid to taint these boards w/ your discriminatory slander?

An employer has NO right to demand insight into our private lives whatsoever! If an employee is a slacker at work or otherwise shown to be possibly under the influence that is a whole other story. NO ONE has a right to pry into the PRIVATE life of a PRIVATE citizen in a FREE society. Oh wait, I said free I suddenly found the flaw in my thinking :rolleyes:

Anyone denied or fried from a job on the basis of a criminal drug conviction of ANY kind is a victim of the war on drugs. Which any poster here should NOT support, why do you support discriminating against victims of the war on drugs zappa? I think the answer to that is pretty clear.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: RosettaStoned]
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I do not support the government's intrusion in your choice to fuck yourself up. I do support an employer's right not to hire somebody who is (and I will bold this for you) more likely to miss work, be less healthy, less productive and less reliable. If you don't think that is an accurate description of the general group of people who choose to use drugs you are mind-numbingly uninformed. Or just lying, 'cause we know how you feel about that.

I will be away for a few days. I trust my fellow travelers will continue to pound the unenlightened in my absence.


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: zappaisgod]
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People are talking about getting it expunged, but it seems many of you dont know the first thing about that. Before even suggesting such a thing...tell us about the charge. Did you enter a guilty plea, were you found guilty at trial. You cant just get things expunged that you dont like if you were found guilty of them.

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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It is likely that your potential employer would run a state-wide criminal background check, not limit it to your county of residence.  Also, they will probably check your credit report, as well, which would list all your past residences, so lying about your address would be exposed immediately.  :shrug:

There are a few professions in which it is a misdemeanor to lie about your criminal history, the specifics of which vary from state to state.  It is illegal in any state to lie on a military application or a nursing  application.  Regardless of potential criminal charges, employers in every state may fire you if they discover you lied on your employment application.

My advice: look for work in the private sector, and avoid jobs which involve $$, drugs, kids or heavy equipment.  Most private employers (outside of those categories) will not conduct a criminal background check.

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: Veritas]
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Once again I am just befuddled at why you even troll a msg board devoted to the legalization of mind altering substances. You flat out generalize all people w/ a drug conviction on their record as "less healthy, less productive and less reliable". This is absolute baseless discrimination. Just as demanding a seizure of urine w/o a warrant is violation of the 4th amendment; not as if I am delusional enough to think a neo-con has respect for our constitution though. Do you honestly believe anyone here thinks you are anything but a paid shrill? How much do you get paid to taint these boards w/ your discriminatory slander?


Chill out man. Though I disagree w/ zappa on plenty, I like that he has a contrary viewpoint than alot of the folks here. Often, he seems to have a more-informed opinion than the rest on here who offer the conventional opinion only.

The issue here is should government intrude into the affairs of private parties? They should not, I feel. You should be able to use drugs if you want. The same rights apply to buisnesses, they should be able to engage in reasonable conduct without government interference.

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: RosettaStoned]
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Just as demanding a seizure of urine w/o a warrant is violation of the 4th amendment


The Constitution protects citizens' rights from the government, not private interests.

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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: SubGen1us]
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just work in construction or eating establishments thats where all the felons are , work for 10 years save all your $ then move to so. america never work again till u die


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Re: Criminal Background Check [Re: RosettaStoned]
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You flat out generalize all people w/ a drug conviction on their record as "less healthy, less productive and less reliable".

no.... he said:

"the prospective employee is more likely to miss work, be less healthy, less productive and less reliable."

questions:

1. are people with drug convictions more likely or less likely than the general population to use illegal drugs?

2. does using illegal drugs tend make one more healthy or less? more productive or less? more reliable or less?

3. should employers be allowed to attempt to gauge a prospective employees productivity and reliability using relevent facts about their past?

Anyone denied or fried from a job on the basis of a criminal drug conviction of ANY kind is a victim of the war on drugs.

really? how about a person denied a job for a half dozen public intoxication arrests and 4 DUI's? is this person a victim, or just a loser and a poor choice for an employee? how about someone convicted of having their 11 year old kid sell meth for them? what about someone who has 4 recent convictions for heroin possession? based on their criminal records, would you think such people would be more likely or less likely to make good employees?

think about what you're saying.


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