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How do we deter people from criminal acts?
    #1491595 - 04/25/03 01:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Here you go Alex. What do you think?


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: OOOO]
    #1492022 - 04/25/03 05:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

what "criminal" acts?

drugs? legalize drugs

theft?- we evenly distribute wealth

sexual crimes?- we eliminate child abuse and sexual repression

murder- we execute anyone who committs murder...err...oh...FUCK!!!



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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: OOOO]
    #1492034 - 04/25/03 05:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

First, legalize drugs as they should not be illegal.

Then, major jail terms for most other crimes. Rape.... no less than 25 years. Murder.... no less than life. Add a weapon to the crime.... add 10 years to the sentence.

Once in jail..... no weights, no TV, no smokes. Toss in hard labor, plain food.

NO PAROLE.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1492064 - 04/25/03 05:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

murder.....no less than life

does not deter murder at all. check the stats jack.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492071 - 04/25/03 05:57 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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murder.....no less than life

does not deter murder at all. check the stats jack.



Perhaps because in many cases life isn't handed out.

I believe there is a deterence value although neither you or I could prove it either way.

Of course I wouldn't expect a reasonable response from someone who says....
"sexual crimes?- we eliminate child abuse and sexual repression"


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1492078 - 04/25/03 06:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)



ahhh...then young genius, how do we eliminate sexual crimes from planet earth? why do people committ sexual crimes, you have obviously done alot of research on the topic, otherwise...you wouldnt be so pompous.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492082 - 04/25/03 06:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Young? Well hardly.

Sex crimes need major jail time. Not the limp slap on the wrist we hand out now.

And as to someone saying....
"ahhh...then young genius"
then calling them pompous, well that's at least good for a laugh. Thanks.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1492085 - 04/25/03 06:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

um, you are wrong.

terribly terribly wrong, I suggest you study some basic psychology.

you see.....people who committ sexual crimes, like molesting a child, well....its not like they do it because it makes them feel good. lots of the time, hmmm...maybe all of the time, the victimizer, was once the victim...and when they reach adulthood, they keep the cycle alive. Threatening the public with JAIL TIME or...even THE DEATH PENALTY, doesnt do shit, it may curb the crime rate a little bit, but elimanate, no.

exhibit A- the united states of america.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492163 - 04/25/03 08:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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it may curb the crime rate a little bit, but elimanate, no.




NOTHING will eliminate crime. I never claimed otherwise. There will always be those who get off on committing crimes.

Learn to read. The question asked was how do we deter crime. I don't see the word "eliminate" in the subject of the thread.

All I want is the criminals removed from society.

And perhaps you should do a bit of studying as the US doesn't have the highest violent crime rate. Not to mention the crime rate in the US has been dropping over the last 20 years as a Google search using the terms "violent crime rate" will show you.

Quote:

the victimizer, was once the victim...and when they reach adulthood, they keep the cycle alive.



And as for this statement, many who were abused or the victim of crimes as children, go on to lead perfectly "normal" lives. I'm one. I know many others. And of those who go on to lead criminal type lives, society can be blamed also. Not however for the reasons I'm guessing you think, but because we coddle these scumbag criminals. Perhaps if we spent more time as a society punishing those who deserve it without making excuses for peoples behavior, and less time worrying about the so called victimless crimes such as drugs and so called sexual crimes between consenting adults, we'd be much better off.

The first step is to stop listening to those who would make excuses for criminals.

The second step, get rid of most of the asinine laws we endure today. Allow people to do whatever they wish as long as no one else is physically or financially harmed. One the harm is caused, slam the door closed on the assholes committing the crime.

The third step, make jail a truly miserable place to be.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492194 - 04/25/03 09:03 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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sexual crimes?- we eliminate child abuse and sexual repression




that's fucking sick my man....how about public castrations instead?


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492230 - 04/25/03 09:22 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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theft?- we evenly distribute wealth 




OMG!  :shocked: How do you propose that without taking wealth from others??? and, if you take wealth from others isn't that theft???  :confused: 


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: grib]
    #1492254 - 04/25/03 09:35 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"The third step, make jail a truly miserable place to be. "


Ever been? I dont like jail, and I really, really, really dont want to go to PRISON.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1492292 - 04/25/03 10:02 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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First, legalize drugs as they should not be illegal.




Legalise all victimless crimes.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: grib]
    #1492323 - 04/25/03 10:16 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Seems you missed this from one of my earlier posts in this very thread....
"Perhaps if we spent more time as a society punishing those who deserve it without making excuses for peoples behavior, and less time worrying about the so called victimless crimes such as drugs and so called sexual crimes between consenting adults, we'd be much better off."


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1492482 - 04/25/03 11:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"theft?- we evenly distribute wealth"

And how do you propose we do this? By stealing from people?




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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: OOOO]
    #1492517 - 04/25/03 11:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

is it just me or does taking money from law-abiding people a scary socialistic response that flys in the face of individual rights?


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1492597 - 04/25/03 11:52 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It's not just you. It's funny that socialists recommend theft to eliminate theft.


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: Evolving]
    #1492965 - 04/25/03 01:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It doesn't surprise me. Anyone who thinks socialism will work is to stupid to waste air anyway. HUman nature will prevent socialism from ever working. Unless of course the good fairy comes down, waves her magic wand, and *poof*..... we'll all live in harmony.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1493148 - 04/25/03 02:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Don't let them derail you into yet another debate re Capitalism vs Socialism. The topic is how to derail crime.

On that topic, I have nothing to add -- y'all have covered it succinctly.

Oops -- I lie. I would add that the death penalty needs to be carried out more often. When it almost never is carried out, it has next to no deterrent effect and might as well not even be on the books.

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Re: How do we deter people from criminal acts? [Re: Phred]
    #1493160 - 04/25/03 02:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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I would add that the death penalty needs to be carried out more often. When it almost never is carried out, it has next to no deterrent effect and might as well not even be on the books.



Very true but I would like to see DNA, video, or confessions be mandatory for a death sentence. There may be other requirements that escape me now.

I would NOT want to see the death penalty handed out in most eye-witness cases as many people are not very observant.


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