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"The Highways of Life are Paved with Flat Squirrels who Couldn't Make Up Their Minds"

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Re: Scientology [Re: DrCamacho89]
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thank you thank you thank you, i've been searching for this for a while now and i completely forgot the title of the video.


thanks again, this is a fun watch.


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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .

-JG

i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*

-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)



Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.

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Re: Scientology [Re: coda]
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wow...That perkins guy didn't live in south jersey did he, if anyone knows? some guy around that same period in time, also schizophrenic, stabbed his mother to death and then drowned one of my good friends little brother in a puddle then stabbed him and killed him as well. fucking sad in both cases regardless.


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Re: Scientology [Re: DrCamacho89]
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scientology scares me.

crazy freaks.


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Re: Scientology [Re: sublime40oz]
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Well, that was interesting, informative, disturbing and chilling -- thanks for sharing, Dr.Camacho. I'd want to do a bit more personal research before I accepted everything that was presented as absolute fact, but I have no doubt that such things can and do happen.

In keeping with the theme, here's a collection of three articles. The author is a psychologist who works with individuals who have been in cults. He has some insights to offer for those who find themselves drawn to participate in groups and communities. I'd recommend reading all three because each of us engage in cult behaviors to some degree, although we may not be consciously aware of it.

Meantime, a rule of thumb I've found helpful is: Be open to learning from everyone; follow no one.


  • Cult Psychology


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  • Edited by spiritualemerg (05/15/07 08:58 PM)

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    Re: Scientology [Re: spiritualemerg]
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    This excerpt from one of the above articles is worthy of sharing...
      CULT BEHAVIOR IN NORMAL SOCIETY

      Just as it is important to have a means of judging a spiritual teacher, it also is important for the ex-cult member and the therapist to be able to answer the more general question: "Is this group a cult?" Patients need to be able to answer that question to avoid making the same mistake again, and therapists are likely to be asked that question by a worried parent or spouse. Usually, the group in question has obvious cult trappings, but society abounds with groups and organizations that appear normal but have the potential for cultlike behavior: large corporations, political groups, professional organizations, government bodies, and established religions. These sectors of normal society seldom are thought to share characteristics with The People's Temple or the less dramatic groups such as the Moonies and the Krishna devotees collecting money in airports, however, careful study of cults reveals four basic cult behaviors that occur to varying degrees in almost all groups, including those that do not have a strange appearance or engage in bizarre behavior. Identifying these basic behaviors permits one to replace the question, "Is this group a cult?" with the more practical one, "To what extent is cult behavior present?" The latter question is more useful because in the field of the transpersonal, as elsewhere, there is a continuum of groups ranging from the most benign and least cultlike to the most malignant and destructive.


      THE FOUR BASIC CULT BEHAVIORS

    • Compliance With the Group: Everybody is concerned with how he or she is viewed by the people whose opinions matter to, us:, our "reference group." No matter how, outwardly independent and nonconformist we may be, there is, usually a, group of people who share our values and whose approval we want. Membership, in this group is signaled by conformity in dress, behavior, and speech. People outside of cults may suppress deviant thoughts also, although less obviously, if they believe that their expression could result in loss of status with the people important to them.

      The power of groups has been noted by psychologists beginning with Gustav Le Bon and Sigmund Freud, and analyzed in detail by Wilfred Bion, who proposed that members of groups tend to adopt one of three primitive emotional states: dependency, pairing, or fight-flight. His description of the dependency state is an apt description of cults, but he saw the process taking place in varying degrees in all groups:The essential aim … is to attain security through and have its members protected by one individual. It assumes that this is why the group has met. The members act as if they know nothing, as if they are inadequate and immature creatures. Their behavior implies that the leader, by contrast, is omnipotent and omniscient.

      It is plausible that natural selection favored individuals who were good at discerning what the group wanted because preservation of their membership in the group gave them the best chance of survival. As a consequence, it is likely that human beings have evolved to be exquisitely sensitive to what the group wants. "Political correctness" probably has a long history.”


    • Dependence on a Leader: Leaders draw a power from their followers’ wish for an ideal parent, a wish that is latent in all adults no matter what kind of parent they had. Although cult leaders may be charismatic, they need not be as long as they are believed by the group members to possess superior powers and secrets. Cult leaders are authoritarian, encouraging dependence and discouraging autonomy. Obedience and loyalty are rewarded, and critical thinking is punished. Furthermore, to enhance dependency on the leader, pair bonding is discouraged. The leader must come first; family and lovers come last. The disruption of intimate relationships is accomplished by a variety of means: enforced chastity, separation of parents from children, arranged marriages, long separations, promiscuity, or sexual relations with the leader. All these aspects are counter to healthy leadership, which fosters growth, independence, and mature relationships and has as its aim that the followers will eventually achieve an eye-level relationship with the leader.


    • Dissent: Dissent threatens the group fantasy that the members are being protected and rewarded by a perfect, enlightened leader who can do no wrong. The security provided by that fantasy is the basic attraction that keeps members in the cult despite highly questionable actions by the leader. Questioning the fantasy threatens that security, and for this reason, active dissent is seldom encouraged. To the contrary, dissenters are often declared to be in the grip of Satan. Sometimes they are scapegoated, and hidden, unconscious anger toward the leader is released against the dissenter. Almost all groups derive security from their shared beliefs and readily regard dissenters as irritations, to be gotten rid of. Nevertheless, the mark of a healthy group is a tolerance for dissent and a recognition of its vital role in keeping the group sane. Paranoia develops and grandiosity flourishes when dissent is eliminated and a group isolates itself from outside influence. As recent cult disasters have shown us, grandiose and paranoid cult leaders often self-destruct, taking their group with them.


    • Devaluing the Outsider: What good is being in a group if membership does not convey some special advantage? In spiritual groups, the members are likely to believe that they have the inside track to enlightenment, to being "saved," or to finding God because of the special sanctity and, spiritual power of the leader. It follows that they must be superior to people outside the group: It is they, the converts, who have the leader's blessing and approval. Devaluation can be detected in the pity or “compassion” they may feel for those outside. This devaluation becomes most marked in the case of someone who elects to leave the group and is thereby considered “lost,” if not damned. The more such devaluation takes place, and the more the group separates itself from the outside world, the greater the danger of cult pathology.

      Devaluing of the outsider is part and parcel of everyday life. Depending on which group we designate as the outsider, our scorn may be directed at “liberals,” “Republicans,” “blacks,” “Jews,” “yuppies,” or “welfare bums”: however the outsider is designated. Such disidentification can authorize unethical, mean, and destructive behavior against the outsider, behavior that otherwise would cause guilt for violating ethical norms. Devaluation of the outsider is tribal behavior and so universal as to suggest a “basic law of groups”: Be one of us and we will love you; leave us and we will kill you.

      Devaluing the outsider reassures the insider that he or she is good, special, and deserving, unlike the outsider. Such a belief is a distortion of reality; if one considers the different circumstances of each person’s development and life context, one is hard put to judge another person to be intrinsically inferior to oneself. Certainly, actions can be judged, but human beings are one species, at eye level with each other.


      Source: Treating Former Members of Cults


      Music of the Hour: Requiem for a Dream (Just because I like the song)


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    Re: Scientology [Re: spiritualemerg]
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    in hopes that atleast one person will at the very least skim over it, here are some legal rebuttals concerning many of the lawsuits filed against scientology, including information (surprisingly not given by this video) regarding many of the claims made against scientology.
    http://www.lisamcpherson.org/cos/1023legl.htm

    Let me first say that I dont believe Scientology has always acted ethically. There are some questionable actions they have made that I strongly disagree with, but they are in no way on the level of what this video wants you to believe.
    I lived in Clearwater, Fl when Lisa McPherson died, and witnessed the protests, the legal proceedings, and what the papers reported everyday for a few months.
    what you usually will not hear in the case of Lisa Mcpherson is things like this.
    Quote:
    "Based on the undisputed facts of this case, plaintiff has not made and cannot make a showing that Lisa McPherson was unlawfully restrained "against her will' by the defendants." "In fact, all of the evidence indicates the opposite. Lisa McPherson refused psychiatric observation or admission at the hospital; she expressly stated her desire to receive the religious care and assistance from her fellow congregants that she and they wanted her to have."[



    -from the Pinellas county judge ruling over one of the cases.

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    After the review Wood changed the cause of death from "undetermined" to an "accident". Wood traced McPherson's pulmonary embolism to her psychosis and a minor auto accident as major factors. [1] This garnered controversy as described in Assistant State Attorney Douglas Crow's memo in which he recommends dropping the criminal case.[35]

    They and the plaintiffs stated,

    “ Even after changing her opinion, Dr. Wood states she is ambivalent as to whether Lisa's death is medical neglect or homicide. (Appendix "2", p35 of June 1,2000 sworn interview to the state attorney)."[36][37] ”

    and that Woods

    “ initially changed [the death certificate] to read the death was an "accident" not caused by dehydration, Crow said. She then reconsidered, he said, deciding to re-insert dehydration as a cause of death and list the death as a homicide. The next morning, she changed her mind once again and finalized the changes



    The bias in this video is laughable, as well as some made up facts, such as how LRH stole 200 million from Scientology.

    In the link given above, it tells the history of the organization CAN.
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    In 1995, CAN, Rick Ross and two others were found guilty of conspiracy to violate the civil right to freedom of religion of Jason Scott, then a member of the Life Tabernacle Church. Ross was ordered to pay more than $3 million in damages; CAN was ordered to pay in excess of $1 million[20][21]. Ross had been involved in hundreds of interventions with members of various religious groups over a 15-year period. Scott was allegedly kidnapped, and was forcibly confined for five days. The large damage award, plus a large number of additional civil tort cases brought against CAN by the Church of Scientology, drove the "old CAN" into bankruptcy in 1996[15], and its assets, including records, names and phone numbers, ended up in the hands of Scientologists.[22][21][23][20]





    So, Scientology bankrupted CAN and now owns and operates it.

    Also, if one considered the link between CAN and the Waco incident with the Branch Davidian compound, where ATF used tanks and shot fire into the compound, one can hardly say that there wasnt CAN involvement in the decision of infiltrating and literally attacking groups labelled as cults.
    but dont take my word for it.
    Quote:
    Introduction

    As a lobbying firm concerned with the preservation and expansion of democracy both at home and abroad, we are writing to draw your attention to the activities of the [original] Cult Awareness Network (CAN).[1]

    The Cult Awareness Network describes itself as a “national non-profit organization founded to educate the public about the harmful effects of mind control as used by destructive cults.” In fact, as the following evidence documents, CAN has played a major role in propagating an atmosphere of intolerance and violence against new, smaller, non-mainstream religions (as well as psychological movements and political groups); moreover, it has functioned as an indirect referral agency, facilitating “concerned” families getting in touch with individuals who can be hired to use coercion (including forcible abductions) to remove individuals from groups of which CAN disapproves.

    The influence of the Cult Awareness Network was made clear by the role it played in influencing media coverage of the siege and subsequent massacre of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas earlier this year, and the role CAN-associated “deprogrammers” played as advisors to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and the FBI during the siege.

    “DEPROGRAMMERS”

    CAN, originally called the Citizens Freedom Foundation (CFF), was founded in 1974 by Ted Patrick, who, according to Gerald Arenberg, writing in The Chief of Police magazine, already had a “career of kidnapping young adults from young and little understood churches in exchange for handsome fees from distraught or over bearing parents” (Arenberg, 1993).

    Information from a number of sources indicates that over the past 19 years, persons within the CAN network have been involved in thousands of abductions or other coercive actions, which the perpetrators euphemistically call “deprogrammings.” “Deprogrammers” charge between $5,000 and $20,000 for a kidnapping. The payment is usually made in cash, so there will be no record of the transaction (Blocksom, 1992, p. 2).

    According to the organization’s own figures, reported at its national conference in Los Angeles last year, CAN-connected “deprogrammers” were involved in more than 1,800 “deprogrammings” in 1992 alone (Robertson, 1993, p.3).

    On the record, CAN condemns forcible kidnappings and maintains that it receives no financial benefits from referring families to kidnappers. However, John Myles Sweeney, Jr., a former national director of CAN’s predecessor, the Citizens Freedom Foundation, in a declaration dated March 17, 1992 charged:

    Because of the large amount of money they make due to referrals received from CFF members, deprogrammers usually kick back money to the CFF member who gave the referral...The kickbacks would either be in cash or would be hidden in the form of a tax-deductible “donation” to the CFF (Sweeney, 992, p.1).

    Former “deprogrammer” Johnathon Lee Nordquist has charged that in the mid-eighties CAN, through Mary Krone, then CAN’s director of information and referrals, paid for the living expenses of Nordquist and his partner: “All that I had to do...was make infrequent speeches at Cult Awareness Network affiliate meetings and receive phone calls from people who wanted to hear negative propaganda about the Hare Krishna religion” (Nordquist, 1991, p. 24).

    In addition, expense reports seized by the FBI and entered as evidence in a court case reveal that at least one “deprogrammer,” convicted kidnapper Galen Kelly, was paid a regular retainer of $1,500 a week in 1992 by the Cult Awareness Network (U.S. vs. Smith, Kelly, Point and Moore, 1992).

    CAN operates its indirect referral system in a manner intended to avoid incurring criminal or civil liability from the activities of the “deprogrammers” in its network. Mark Blocksom, who worked as a “deprogrammer” from 1979 to 1989, reports:

    The standard method by which I received referrals for involuntary deprogrammings was via phone calls to the “good old boy” network (CFF, and later, CAN members or affiliates), who would then refer the caller to a non-CFF/non-CAN person (usually a family member of a prior successful case), who would then call me and arrange the deprogramming. This “cut out” system was created to insulate CFF/CAN from legal liabilities (Blocksom, 1992, pp. 1-2).

    Blocksom also reports that he often consulted with CAN officials (including the current director, Cynthia Kisser) in the course of “deprogrammings” for the purpose of “obtaining additional assistance, or with obtaining written materials about a particular group” (Blocksom, 1992, p. 4). Former CFF director Sweeney warns: “CAN still attempts to convince the public that it is not now, nor has it ever been, connected with deprogrammers. This is an absolute lie and should never be accepted as true” (Sweeney, 1992, p. 3).

    A special report in The Chief of Police, the official publication of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, notes that “During the 1970s and `80s, mercenary deprogrammers like Patrick kidnapped hundreds of adults from a wide spectrum of organizations including Catholic, Episcopal, Evangelical Christian, Mormon, Amish, political and even karate classes. While the deprogrammers celebrated their growing profits, for the victims, it was a story of terror.” (Arenberg, 1993, p. 60)

    The terror includes not only the abduction itself, for the “deprogramming” is not complete (and the victims are not released) until she or he agrees to leave their religion or political organization. According to former “deprogrammer” Mark Blocksom: “Some deprogrammers used techniques of sleep and food deprivation, humiliation, ridicule, deprivation of privacy, and in some cases, physical abuse and restraint to accomplish their goal of altering a person’s religious views” (Blocksom, 1992, p. 2).

    A number of former “deprogrammers” and CAN officials have reported, in sworn affidavits, that some of the CAN-affiliated “deprogrammers” have had sex with individuals they held captive (Nordquist, 1991, p. 63; Sweeney, 1992, p. 2). Dr. Lowell Strieker, the former executive director of the Freedom Counseling Center in Burlingame, California, reports that “deprogrammer” Cliff Daniels ...” said that he used the `sex thing’ as a testing board to see whether the girl was completely out of the cult. If she consented, then he knew that she was completely out. If she did not consent, then he knew that he had more work to do.” (Strieker, 1992, p. 3)

    What is remarkable, given the large number of abductions that allegedly have been carried out by CAN-associated “deprogrammers,” is how few prosecutions—and even fewer convictions—have resulted from their activities. This virtual immunity from legal liability has resulted in a high level of arrogance among “deprogrammers.” U.S. Attorney Lawrence Leiser, who successfully prosecuted Galen Kelly, told the Times Herald Record in Middletown, New York: “Mr. Kelly thinks he has the right to go out, because someone pays him, and kidnap someone. That’s incredible, and he’d been doing it for 10 or 15 years. He admitted on the stand that he has abducted 30 to 40 people” (Hall, 1993).

    This ability to get away with breaking the law has to do with the success CAN has had in demonizing non-mainstream religions and political organizations, as well as the policy employed by “deprogrammers” of involving family members in the kidnapping process, which tends to inhibit the victim’s willingness to press charges. As former “deprogrammer” Blocksom says:

    I have been arrested at least five times for kidnapping-related charges. I have never even gone to trial in even one of these cases, due largely to the fact that it was my policy to get the family directly involved in the actual kidnapping. This would make it much harder for the target to want to pursue criminal prosecution, since it would mean they would also have to prosecute a family member (Blocksom, 1992, p. 3).

    Despite these precautions, the last year has seen a few cracks in the wall of virtual immunity which has surrounded CAN-associated “deprogrammers.”

    On May 27, 1993 Galen Kelly—chief of security at the CAN convention in November 1990—was convicted for kidnapping a Washington, D.C. woman in May 1992 (he is still awaiting sentencing). Another well known “deprogrammer,” Randall Burkey, was convicted on similar charges in Madison, Wisconsin earlier this year. Other CAN-connected “deprogrammers” who have recently faced criminal charges are Joseph Szimhart and Mary Alice Chrnalogar who were charged with kid napping a 39-year-old mother of four in Boise, Idaho (Robertson, 1993, p. 3), while Rick Ross, who acted as an advisor to ATF in Waco and has boasted of more that 200 “deprogrammings,” was arrested at the end of June on charges of kidnapping and illegal imprisonment of a Kirkland, Washington teenager in 1991 (Holt, 1993).

    PSYCHOLOGISTS AND PSYCHIATRISTS

    A handful of psychologists, psychiatrists and sociologists, some of whom serve on CAN’s board of advisors, provide pseudo-scientific cover for these activities. They give talks at CAN events, write articles, mostly in their own publication, Cultic Studies Journal, and provide quotes to the media when a “cult expert” is needed. Many of these individuals also earn money testifying as “expert witnesses” in kidnapping cases, litigation in which disaffected ex-members are suing their former group or group leaders, and conservatorship cases in which parents are seeking legal and financial control of grown children who have joined so-called “cults.”

    Among these individuals, the two most high-profile are psychiatrist Louis Jolyon “Jolly” West, chairman of the Department of Psychiatry and Biobehavioral Sciences at UCLA’s School of Medicine, and Margaret Singer, a clinical psychologist with a private practice in Berkeley, California and a former adjunct professor in the Department of Psychology at the University of California at Berkeley.

    West currently serves on the advisory board of CAN and a similar group called the American Family Foundation. He has been a keynote speaker at CAN conferences for more that 15 years. In a 1983 speech to a CFF convention, West called for the development of a “medical model” for the elimination of what he considered “fake” religions:

    A good approach if you were interested in curing a cancer is to find a chemical that kills the malignant cells and spares those that are healthy. What would be the effect of a device or technique which, when applied by society to any organization calling itself religious, would have no untoward effect upon bona fide religions, but would be deadly to the fakes? ... Malignant cells or fake religions wouldn’t survive it. Healthy cells or bona fide religions and altruistic organizations would not be harmed (West, 1983).

    While West today purports to be repulsed by the “mind control” and “brainwashing” supposedly practiced by some of the new religions (“cults”), in the 1950s and ‘60s he was involved, through the CIA-funded Geschickter Fund for Medical Research, in experiments employing LSD as a means of mind control. During these experiments the CIA used ethnic and racial minorities as human guinea pigs. At the Lexington, Kentucky federal prison, for example, African Americans were singled out and used as test subjects for various mind control experiments (Citizens Commission on Human Rights, 1985).

    Questioned about his relationship with CIA “mind control” expert Dr. Sydney Gottlieb, in 1977 West told the New York Times: “As far as the Geschickter Fund was concerned, what Dr. Gottlieb told me was that he was an employee of the CIA and that they had an interest in this problem [the area of LSD research], which I could see they did and possibly should have at that time” (Horrock, 1977).

    After the riots in Watts in 1965, West, then head of Neuropsychiatric Institute (NPI) at UCLA, was an outspoken proponent of the view that violence was tied to genetic factors, and that those most prone to violence were young Black urban males. West and his associates at NPI recommended that some violent offenders could be treated by psychosurgery and chemical castration through the use of cyproterone acetate (West, 1972).

    West’s advocacy of chemical castration—this time on prisoners and “appropriate non-institutionalized clinical subjects” (Restak, 1975)—surfaced again when he proposed the establishment of a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence; based on the premise that violence is caused primarily by genetic or chemical factors, the Center would conduct various chemical and biosurgical experiments. In many respects the Center prefigured the Youth Violence Initiative recently proposed by the National Institute of Mental Health.

    Nearly all of the studies West had in mind for the Center involved women, minority groups—of the two high schools he proposed for violence studies, one was in a Black community and one in a Chicano area (West, 1972)—prisoners or others who couldn’t defend themselves, such as autistic children and the mentally retarded. Examples of the treatments proposed by West at this time included psychosurgery, “curing” hyperactive children with unproven drugs, and implanting electronic monitoring or homing devices into the brain (California State Senate Health and Welfare Committee Transcript, 1973). Funding for the Center was opposed in a series of protests in California in 1974; they succeeded not only in stopping the Center, but in getting federal and state funds for the NPI reduced. In 1989 West resigned as director of the Neuropsychiatric Institute after the LA Weekly published an exposé of financial wrongdoings in relation to research grants he and his staff had obtained from t he National Institute of Mental Health (Shae, 1988).

    The principal psychologist identified with CAN is Margaret Singer. Unlike West, who is a fixture of the academic psychology establishment, Singer has never held a full-time, tenure-track position; in the words of her attorney Michael Flomenhaft, she “derives a substantial portion of her income from consultancies and work as an expert witness based on specialized knowledge in the area of social influence” (Singer vs. APA, 1992).

    Singer is suing the American Psychological Association for $125 million, claiming that the Association’s refusal to endorse her views on so-called mind-control and “brainwashing” have caused “injury to her business and professional reputation” and caused her “mental anguish and distress” (Singer vs. APA, 1992).

    The Singer suit (which she filed with Berkeley sociologist Richard Ofshe in August 1992) is instructive both in revealing where CAN-associated psychologists and psychiatrists stand in relation to the psychological mainstream, and in clarifying how sharply psychological professionals differ over concepts such as “cults,” “brainwashing” and “coercive persuasion,” which CAN uses to rationalize its activities.

    Singer’s suit was filed under provisions of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). In it she contends that the APA and several of its leaders and members have engaged in a “pattern of racketeering activity” designed to ruin her career as an “expert witness.” The only concrete evidence offered to prove the alleged harm to her career is a ruling by a judge disqualifying Singer as an expert witness in a case in which an ex-adherent of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness was suing the organization for “false imprisonment” despite the plaintiff’s admission that she was never physically restrained, confined or threatened by the Society for Krishna Consciousness and despite further admission on the stand that she adopted Krishna Consciousness following a genuine religious conversion.

    In disqualifying Singer, who was called in to testify that the plaintiff had been a victim of “brain washing,” Judge Jensen explained:

    Although the record before the Court is replete with declarations, affidavits and letters from reputable psychologists and sociologists who concur with the thought reform theories pro pounded by Dr. Singer and Dr. Ofshe, the government has submitted an equal number of declarations, affidavits and letters from reputable psychologists and sociologists who disagree with their theories ... A more significant barometer of prevailing views within the scientific community is provided by professional organizations such as the American Psychological Association (“APA”) and the American Sociological Association (“ASA”). The evidence before the Court, which is detailed below, shows that neither the APA nor the ASA has endorsed the views of Dr. Singer and Dr. Ofshe on thought reform ... At best, the evidence establishes that psychiatrists, psychologists and sociologists disagree as to whether or not there is agreement regarding the Singer-Ofshe thesis. The Court therefore excludes defendants’ proffered testimony (U.S. vs. Fishman, 1989).

    While Singer’s testimony had been accepted at numerous trials before and since, the Jensen ruling has been used as a precedent in subsequent cases in which Singer and other CAN allies were called in as expert witnesses.

    The dispute between Singer and the APA leadership goes back at least seven years. In 1986, at Singer’s initiative, the APA’s Board of Social and Ethical Responsibility for Psychology (BSERP) set up a Task Force on Deceptive and Indirect Methods of Persuasion and Control which was headed up by Singer. The 69-page report produced by the Task Force openly attempted to make CAN’s definitions of “cults,” “brainwashing,” etc. official APA usage. The APA’s rejection of the report, dated May 11, 1987, read in part:

    BSERP ... is unable to accept the report of the Task Force. In general, the report lacks the scientific rigor and evenhanded critical approach necessary for APA imprimatur. The report was carefully reviewed by two external experts and two members of the Board. They independently agreed on the significant deficiencies in the report ... The Board cautions the Task Force members against using their past appointment to imply BSERP or APA support or approval of the positions advocated in the report. BSERP requests that Task force members not distribute or publicize the report without indicating that the report was unacceptable to the Board. Finally, after much consideration, BSERP does not believe that we have sufficient information available to guide us in taking a position on this issue (BSERP, 1987).

    At dispute in the Task Force report—and within the psychological community before and since—are the underlying concepts justifying CAN’s activities. The term “brainwashing,” for example, was coined by Edward Hunter, a CIA propagandist who worked under cover as a journalist (Marks, 1991). In the early fifties Hunter used the term to explain communist influence over American POWs in Korea and western civilian prisoners in communist China (Hunter, 1953). Hunter defines the result of “brainwashing” as changing “a mind radically so that its owner becomes a living puppet—a human robot” (Hunter, 1956, p. 309).

    Robert Lifton, in the Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism (1961), one of the pioneering scholarly works in the field, writes: Behind this web of semantic (and more than semantic) confusion lies an image of “brainwashing” as an all-powerful, irresistible, unfathomable, and magical method of achieving total control over the human mind. It is of course none of these things and this loose usage makes the word a rallying point for fear, resentment, urges towards submission, justification for failure, irresponsible accusation, and for a wide gamut of emotional extremism. One may justly conclude that the term has a far from precise meaning and a questionable usefulness (Lifton, 1961, p. 4).

    Singer maintains that the theory of “brainwashing” upon which her “expert witness” career depends is based on studies conducted on repatriated prisoners after the Korean War, as well as the Russian purge trials of the 1930s and the “revolutionary universities” of the People’s Republic of China.

    However, examination of the facts by mainstream scholars contradict her arguments. A total of 7,190 American servicemen were captured during the Korean War. Of that number only 21 declined to return to the United States. Of those who returned only 14 were ever court-martialed on the grounds of “going over” to the enemy and only 11 convictions were obtained. Thus Singer’s contention that communist “brainwashing” succeeded on a large scale just doesn’t hold up (Secretary of Defense’s Advisory Committee on Prisoners of War, 1955, pp.78-81).

    Furthermore, of the POWs who did make pro-communist statements during the war, most had not changed their ideological framework, i.e., “converted” to communism at all; they were speaking in the shadow of incarceration and physical maltreatment, rather than as the result of any sort of exotic psychotechnology. Thus Lunde and Wilson conclude in Brainwashing as a Defense to Criminal Liability: Patty Hearst Revisited:

    [T]he much-ballyhooed Communist program of `brainwashing’ was really more an intensive indoctrination program in combination with very heavy-handed techniques of undermining the social structure of the prisoner group, thereby eliciting collaboration that in most cases was not based on ideological change of any sort (Lunde and Wilson, 1977, p. 348).

    Finally, the handful of Americans who actually did go over to the communist side during the Korean War have been shown to have already been predisposed to communist politics when they were drafted (Schein, 1961, pp. 104-110; Lifton, 1961, pp. 117-132, 207-222).

    Unlike Singer and other CAN “expert witnesses,” the overwhelming majority of scholars have rejected the attempt to extend the experiences of Korean POWs to the practices of new religious movements. (“absurd to compare this [recruiting practice of new religions] to the fear of death in prisoners held by the Chinese and North Koreans” (James, 1986, pp.241, 254); the comparison “cannot be taken seriously” (Barker, 1984, p. 134); the “model of the Chinese prisoner of war camp ... is highly deficient since members of the religious movements are not abducted or physically detained” (Saliba, 1987); a “far-fetched comparison” (Anthony and Robbins, 1990, pp. 263).)

    Although the term “brainwashing” has never been accepted within the scientific community, it has become commonplace in the media and is the basis of a number of other concepts of significance to CAN. For example, the term “deprogramming” clearly implies that human minds can be “programmed” like computers (or robots) in the first place an assumption questioned in much research (James, 1986; Saliba, 1987; Anthony and Robbins, 1990; Reich, 1976).

    Moreover, the very existence of “cults” defined (vaguely) by Singer and other CAN supporters as groups which organize through “deception” and which practice “brainwashing” and “mind control” on their members, is disputed by the majority of scholars, many of whom point out that the “coercive processes” that Singer and others attribute to “cult” organizations could be applied equally to college fraternities, Catholic orders, self-help organizations such as Alcoholics Anonymous, the armed services, psychoanalytic training institutions, mental hospitals and conventional childrearing practices (Lifton, 1961, pp. 141, 435-436, 451; Schein, 1961, pp. 202, 260-261, 270-276, 281-283).

    What Singer’s arguments come down to is that the only conceivable way that a sane person might choose to believe in or adhere to religious and/or political views outside the perimeters of the mainstream is if they are “deceived.” And from this it follows that deceived or “brainwashed” people are incapable of making sane, responsible judgments and should therefore have their civil and Constitutional rights revoked.

    But “deception” is a hopelessly subjective term. Perception and deception are two sides of the same coin. As Judge T.S. Ellis III declared on December 31, 1992 in regard to an unsuccessful kidnapping prosecution brought against CAN-associated “deprogrammer” Galen Kelly: “One man’s cult is another man’s community, however wacky you or I may think that is” (U.S. vs. Smith, Kelly, Point and Moore, 1992). Who among us in a democratic society would dare to impose his or her perception as the only true one?

    THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS

    The threat to religious freedom inherent in the pseudo-scientific theories and language of West, Singer and other CAN-associated psychologists, psychiatrists and sociologists is evident. That they have been used to rationalize criminal activity is equally evident. As early as 1974 the National Council of Churches warned of CFF’s danger to religious liberty:

    [R]eligious liberty is one of the most precious rights of humankind, which is grossly violated by forcible abduction and protracted efforts to change a person’s religious commitments by duress. Kidnapping for ransom is a heinous crime indeed, but kidnapping to compel religious deconversion is equally criminal (Arenberg, 1993, p. 60).

    And if the dangerous implications of applying CAN’s credo to the political arena were not already obvious, CAN’s executive director, Cynthia Kisser, made them explicit in an article entitled “Nation needs to address cults’ ever-present evils,” written originally for the Los Angeles Daily News and reprinted in a number of papers around the country during the Waco siege. In it Kisser warned: “Cults also hurt society when their members undermine the democratic process by voting in solid blocks [sic] or by providing free volunteer labor to campaigns in return for favors from candidates” (Kisser,1993). To most people this would serve as a model description of healthy participation by an interest group or party in a representative democracy. But apparently to CAN only groups of which it approves should be allowed to vote in “blocks” and volunteer for political campaigns. When groups CAN doesn’t like (“cults”) participate in electoral politics, it “undermines the democratic process.”

    Frighteningly, the FBI appears to share this way of thinking. In 1988 and again in 1991 the Bureau launched investigations of the New Alliance Party (NAP), a left-wing electoral party, rationalizing this harassment by labeling NAP a “political/cult organization” (New Alliance Party vs. Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1993).




    http://www.ex-iwp.org/docs/1993/ross_green_waco_report.htm

    as far as suicides go.... well they happen. If this is really such a big issue and the caretakers of suicide "victims" are to blame, then lets start enforcing it, starting with all the people who commit suicide under the care of psychiatrists, mental wards and psychotropic drugs prescribed by psychiatrists.
    but where is that video at?

    like I said before, Scientology isnt wholly innocent, but neither is any religious organization for that matter. I feel some flack is justified, but no more than any other religious organization, which is the only reason I put so much effort into these boards to raise awareness and give the "other side of the story" which is most often swallowed by misinformation perpetuated by ignorance and anger driven agendas driven by such.

    I have given up trying to truly debate the issue, because I have found that most people will ignore any factual data that shows scientology in a good light.... so i have resolved to only post "the other side of the story".

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    I also find it funny that the music they used was from "Requiem for a Dream".... something that on its own instills thoughts of epic devastation and morally corrupt actions.

    Like Spiritualemerg stated, make up your own mind about it, dont let someone elses biased presentation make your mind up for you... kind of like "Loose Change". Im not here to change peoples minds regarding Scientology, but merely balance the information that they are given as well as show misinforming propaganda for what it is, where applicable.

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    god damn hippies:crankey:

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    What were they tealking about when they said "audits"?


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    - once with a man
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    - and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
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    while the process is different, as well as the aims and results, auditing can best be described as Psychoanalysis.
    I use that term so you understand what it is like. Instead of sitting on a couch talking to someone, you are sitting in a chair, holding a pair of e-meter cans (basically a lie detector), talking to someone.

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    psilocyberin: Like Spiritualemerg stated, make up your own mind about it, dont let someone elses biased presentation make your mind up for you...

    pinkfloydms: What were they tealking about when they said "audits"?

    If I told you, would you believe me? Or more to the point... should you believe me? Truth is, most of what I know of Scientology has been gleaned from SouthPark and they may be funny, but they're not necessarily factual.

    Tell you what, pinkfloydms, why don't you run your question through a couple of search engines -- the internet is the world's biggest libary. Don't be willing to stop at one point of view but rather, gather information from a number of perspectives. Be discerning, weigh it out, consider the evidence. Then, and only then, will you be capable of making up your own mind.

    However -- if you insist -- I can tell you my version of what an "audit" is, but first, I'll need the secret decoder information from the back of your credit card.


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    Edited by spiritualemerg (05/15/07 09:10 PM)

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    well, sadly, scientology is one of the few things that internet searches will show biased information on.
    Im willing to bet that the gist of what will come up will through a google search will comprise of the false statement that you are "shocked with cans by a person reading a meter to rid you of body thetans". Which then might go on to give you a false definition of what body thetans or thetans are.
    Honestly, I have spent countless hours doing internet research on Scientology, and the only website that has factual information regarding Scientology is Scientology.org.
    Xenu and clambake are the real science fiction writers.... :grin:

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    I hear a lot of conflicting things about Scientology, and I'm not sure to believe. Based on what I've seen, I think L. Ron Hubbard was a con man who started a religion to make a lot of money. However, as a former member of Ordo Templi Orientis, he studies mysticism and occultism, and seems to have incorporated some of these legitimate ideas into his religion. As such, I'm sure there's plenty there that can help some people.

    I'm also rather suspicious of their fear of psychology. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that auditing and other aspects of their religion are a form of psychology, and fearing the competition, they demonize it, in much the same way that pharmaceutical companies fund anti-drug ads.

    I also think the Xenu stuff is wierd, but as I understand it, that's only taught to higher-level members.


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    it isnt that they fear competition. They believe Psychiatry/psychology should be put into the realm of religion.
    As it stands, it promotes itself as a science, even though almost every aspect of it deals with the subjective aspects of human behaviour.

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    I personally think of it as a social science, and social science tends to be a mix of science and philosophy.


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    You probably know more about Scientology than I do psyilocyberin. Although I do have one article linked at my blog that is written by a member of the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights, it wasn't until after I'd posted it that I was aware of the link between that organization and Scientology. Nonetheless, I kept it in place because regardless of the "bad hype" regarding the messenger, the information is factual.

    It should be borne in mind that all activities and behaviors exist along a spectrum. An example of that might be found in the diversity of people who partake of "shrooms" -- not everyone does them, not everyone has a desire to do them, and even among those who do, not everyone has the same motive, not everyone is seeking the same experience. Likewise -- dare I say it -- Scientology probably has its positive aspects. That's not to say that it doesn't have negative aspects as well. I don't doubt that the kind of events that video implies may have happened could have happened, (I'd want to do more research before emphatically stating that they did), because these kind of things happen in every other group so why would Scientology... or Christianity... or Buddhism... or even, "shroomers" be exempt?

    Overall, I'm not in favor of cultish behavior or actions, but that is true whether it's being expressed in a religious group, a social club, a political organization, or any other place where humanity feels a need to gather.


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    I find it so funny that people give such power to the word "Cult". It has been used improperly so much, that it has become slang. The word itself conjures up images of dark figures masked and hooded holding sacrificial daggers, chanting incessantly.

    but here is a wiki and webster definition.
    Quote:
    In religion and sociology, a cult is a term designating a cohesive group of people (generally, but not exclusively a relatively small and recently founded religious movement[1]) devoted to beliefs or practices that the surrounding culture or society considers to be outside the mainstream. Its status may come about either due to its novel belief system, its idiosyncratic practices, its perceived harmful effects on members, or because its perceived opposition to the interests of the mainstream culture



    Quote:
    1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
    2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
    3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
    4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
    5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : the object of such devotion c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion



    so basically, it is a small group of people detached from the mooing horde that is mainstream culture.

    so, basically, the shroomery can be considered a cult.

    Edited by psilocyberin (05/15/07 09:40 PM)

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    Sometimes "cult" is a way of saying -- there's a bunch of people over there and "we" think they're all a bunch of assholes. But that's a shallow perspective.

    What's interesting to ponder is the normalacy of "cultish" behavior. To borrow on a theme, how many posts in "The Pub" contain the word "Nigga, Jew, Ho," etc?

    This is the ugly side of cultish behavior -- it's a means of saying, "I'm part of the in-group and you're part of the out-group. I'm special, and you're not. I've got the inside track and you don't". Republicans/Democrats; Whites/Blacks; Men/Women; Shroomers/Non-Shroomers; Islam/Christianity; Atheist/Devout -- these divisions capture our attention and keep us from asking the bigger questions: Where are we the same? What is the truest truth?

    Discernment is a tool and a sharp sword. Ask the bigger questions. Find the bigger answers. Learn from everyone. Follow no one.


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    Edited by spiritualemerg (05/15/07 10:27 PM)

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    I agree. For fear of derailing threads in P&S I have refrained from telling people that their beliefs, or what they just posted, was very similar to the beliefs of Scientologists.
    I would like to see more people seeing how they are similar rather than how they are better or different..... but that is a major flaw of the ego, we want to be unique.

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