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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Irdamage]
    #6446565 - 01/10/07 07:32 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

I really thought that was douchebaggery as well.

Scientology has its own vocabulary/language in a sense, and like many other religions, things it deems in one way or another to be detrimental to spiritual progression can get you "cast out".
Im willing to bet they deemed South Park (atleast its crew) as SP's.... suppressive person.
So, the church made Isaac decide between Scientology and South Park. Sadly, Scientology can't take jokes.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6446774 - 01/10/07 08:38 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

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I've concluded Scientologists hate psychology merely because of dogma and not for any rational reason.



I think it has to do with the fact that every person who goes to a psychologist represents lost revenue for their cult.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6446798 - 01/10/07 08:51 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

Scientology is nothing but a sci-fi author's wet dream run amok. Anybody who claims to be a scientologist might as well tattoo "gullible" on their forehead.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6446822 - 01/10/07 08:59 PM (17 years, 22 days ago)

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This was one of my biggest problems with Scientology as well: the drugs issue.

But in Scientology's defense, "Therapy" is no more objective and scientific (the entire field of psychology/psychiatry for that matter) than an E-meter.

Mental Health "Science" often makes the mistake of using highly subjective things like emotions and generalized reactions as a constant. It is obvious to anyone that the term "attention span" is completely subjective, but a large portion of the world accepts it as a sound fact produced by rigorous scientific study.

If anything, Psychology is the study of the human mind within an ever expanding and changing society, which even then is impossible to nail down accurately and completely.

So I ask you as many of you sit here and scoff at "how stupid and gullible those Scieno's are" that you are no better, nor less gullible for placing belief into a pseudo-science.




It's called real, measureable differences of natural chemicals in the brain. You can fairly accurately account for a normative level of given chemicals in your head--so you can tell if something's off. In a strictly biological assessment.

Scientologists, on the other hand, believe in some seriously fucked-up construct of aliens and souls and their "prophet" was a sci-fi writer. And they make you pay for your "salvation"--essentially the same scam as indulgences were for the Catholic church.

It's utter bullshit.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: GnuBobo]
    #6447552 - 01/11/07 01:52 AM (17 years, 22 days ago)

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psilocyberin said:
This was one of my biggest problems with Scientology as well: the drugs issue.

But in Scientology's defense, "Therapy" is no more objective and scientific (the entire field of psychology/psychiatry for that matter) than an E-meter.

Mental Health "Science" often makes the mistake of using highly subjective things like emotions and generalized reactions as a constant. It is obvious to anyone that the term "attention span" is completely subjective, but a large portion of the world accepts it as a sound fact produced by rigorous scientific study.

If anything, Psychology is the study of the human mind within an ever expanding and changing society, which even then is impossible to nail down accurately and completely.

So I ask you as many of you sit here and scoff at "how stupid and gullible those Scieno's are" that you are no better, nor less gullible for placing belief into a pseudo-science.




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It's called real, measureable differences of natural chemicals in the brain. You can fairly accurately account for a normative level of given chemicals in your head--so you can tell if something's off. In a strictly biological assessment.




Yes, that is neurophysiology... also, there is surgical neurophysiology which doesn't require a license or certification to perform.
So, how does psychiatry and psychology accurately measure your brain chemicals by talking to you as you lay on a couch?

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Scientologists, on the other hand, believe in some seriously fucked-up construct of aliens and souls and their "prophet" was a sci-fi writer. And they make you pay for your "salvation"--essentially the same scam as indulgences were for the Catholic church.




1) what does their belief of aliens have to do with psychology?
2) Scientology has no "prophet". they dont pray to L. Ron Hubbard.... they merely acknowledge him as the founder of Scientology.
3) Almost every organized religion involves money, tithes, dues etc.... even the church of Bob.

Look, you are at a huge disadvantage here.... I know about Scientology, and psychotherapy.... you however dont know dick about shit in either of those realms.

Psych "science" has yet to even come close to proving cause and effect regarding chemicals in the brain, yet continues to go ahead and act upon it as if it were fact.
BTW, the etymology of the word Scientology is "The Study of Knowledge".... or sometimes considered "Learning how to Learn".

Also, if you were to search through the mountain of books, articles and papers written by L. Ron Hubbard, you would probably only find 5 or 6 references to Xenu or aliens. Aliens and Xenu have nothing to do, at all, with the core beliefs and doctrines of Scientology.

So, why dont you come back when you actually know something about Scientology, and then debate it with me.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6447695 - 01/11/07 04:45 AM (17 years, 22 days ago)

dude, you really need to learn how to use the quote tags


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: niteowl]
    #6447713 - 01/11/07 05:07 AM (17 years, 22 days ago)

well, recently my computer started bringing up some toolbar when I hit the forward slash key, so I have been clicking the quote tag and having to delete, and somewhere in all that I lose track of open and closed quotes.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6448311 - 01/11/07 10:32 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

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Look, you are at a huge disadvantage here.... I know about Scientology, and psychotherapy.... you however dont know dick about shit in either of those realms.




K actually I take my statement back...that did kinda sound like Tom Cruise in all fairness.

Tom Cruise "You Don't know about the history of psychiatry, I do!"


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6448882 - 01/11/07 01:52 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

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Look, you are at a huge disadvantage here.... I know about Scientology, and psychotherapy.... you however dont know dick about shit in either of those realms.

Psych "science" has yet to even come close to proving cause and effect regarding chemicals in the brain, yet continues to go ahead and act upon it as if it were fact.




First of all, you clearly do not know as much as you claim. For example, if I hang out with a few Christian or whatnot, I do not know all there is to know about that group.

Also, Scientology IS A CULT. And they DO cover up abuses by their members, Xenu.net(or whatever it is) is a great site, but dont act like 2 small groups are attacking Scientology, there is plenty of reason to criticize this CULT, weather you understand the issues or not. 

As for psychology, we don't have perfect models no, and I for one am always the first person to attack SSRI's and the way they have been pushed on the public. But that doesn't mean all of Psychology is bad, or untrue. Ever known someone with mental illness?? I shudder to think what would have happened if one of my friend (currently in the psych ward) would have got mixed up with a bunch of lunatics like the people involved in Scientology.

Just because you meet a few of them and they seemed nice, that does not mean your life experience= worldwide, or even country wide fact.

How would Scientology deal with my friend in the psych ward??(keep in mind I a critical of his treatment there too, and I have been pushing hard for them to lower his meds, and use more natural stuff like 5HTP, and I hope he will be off ALL MEDS ASAP)

They would "prescribe" all sorts of expensive bullshit pseudo-science. And use all sorts a "machines" that often have less going on inside of them then a children's toy! Its a fucking scam, and a criminal organization. I will be popping champagne the day I hear they have lost their tax exempt status.
join me, wont you?  :smirk:


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6449257 - 01/11/07 03:16 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

actually, I do know a lot about Scientology... atleast in comparison to the people on this website. How about checking out the thread "Tom Cruise is Da Man" (I didnt start the thread btw).... which has about 200 very long posts.... thats if you want to see just how much I know about it.

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Also, Scientology IS A CULT.




Ok.... how about going and finding the definition of the word "Cult" instead of trying to invoke a completely hollow, negative buzz word.

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And they DO cover up abuses by their members




1) how are they repeatedly getting away with this, especially while under such immense scrutiny by cult sleuths such as yourself?
2) Through years of personal exposure and experience to Scientology I can sit here and tell you that the above quote is complete bullshit and is purely the product of someones malicious imagination.


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They would "prescribe" all sorts of expensive bullshit pseudo-science. And use all sorts a "machines" that often have less going on inside of them then a children's toy! Its a fucking scam, and a criminal organization. I will be popping champagne the day I hear they have lost their tax exempt status.
join me, wont you?




See, this is exactly the kind of ignorance begat ignorance that bothers me. You havent even received second hand knowledge, it is second hand fiction.
There is no "prescription"....

You are just spewing malinformed hatred of a group based on hand me down opinions of others.
If you really want to know about the beliefs and practices of Scientology, I can try to field the questions to the best of my ability..... but if you wish to continue talking out of your ass about Scientology, I will continue to reveal your ignorance of the subject.

Its cool if you dislike Scientology, even if it is based on other peoples opinions (kind of like being a republican because your dad is.... sad), but dont spout things like abuse without backing it up by credible sources.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6449663 - 01/11/07 05:06 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

I will respond to your verbal hubris in a moment....

For now a few links before I get into grow mode :mushroomgrow:

Scientologists teaching impressionable young children Scientology-doctrine in public schools

What is truly alarming is that Scientology, using its "Narconon Drug Prevention & Education program" label, is able to teach young children some of its doctrine about drugs and detoxification, a method which is called "pseudoscience" by Dr. Peter Banys, director of substance abuse programs at the VA Medical Center in San Francisco.

After public outcry has the San Francisco Unified School District (SFUSD) told Narconon to "stop teaching what the district calls inaccurate and misleading information" before June the 24th 2004, or get "removed from the list of Community Based Organizations". Narconon can not really change what they teach, it is officially carved in stone by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Scientology corporation. Hubbard, internally referred to as "Source", ruled that only he could change the doctrine of Scientology, and he's been dead since 1986.. But Scientology - it has to be admitted - has found new ways to change some Hubbard. One of the tricks they employ is using his trademarked name as part of the title of rewritten books. No one sees the difference and only the copyright registrations at the copyright office reveal the fraud.

How this will end is very interesting. Of course the proper way would have been to kick Scientology's Narconon out of schools because of the state/church separation issue and the program is called by experts "irresponsible" and "pseudoscience," charging that students are being introduced to Scientology beliefs and methods without their knowledge.

On 17 June 2004 the latest news was that Superintendent Jack O'Connell of the California Department of Education, has ordered an investigation of Narconon's program in schools: "We have an obligation to inform school districts of potentially inaccurate and misleading information being distributed," O'Connell said. "We'll start following this. We can send a memo to all school districts with the flip of a switch."

Items on this important issue

    * San Franciso Chronical - 9 June 2004
      - Scientology link to public schools As early as the third grade, students in S.F. and elsewhere are subtly introduced to church's concepts via anti-drug teachings
    * Scientology emails unmask Narconon - 9 June 2004
      - http://Stop-Narconon.org/Documents/scientology-emails.html
    * San Franciso Chronical - 10 June 2004
      - Narconon put on notice by schools -- Scientology-linked program ordered to fix inaccuracies
    * San Franciso Chronical - 17 June 2004
      - Probe of antidrug program ordered State schools chief says he could bar Narconon teachings
    * San Franciso Chronical - 20 June 2004
      - EDITORIAL Common sense prevails
    * San Franciso Chronical - 23 June 2004
      - L.A. schools look hard at Narconon
    * UPI - 23 June 2004
      - LA probes Scientology drug program
    * San Franciso Chronical - 2 July 2004
      CALIFORNIA State to evaluate Narconon Research group tapped to look at anti-drug teachings
    * San Franciso Chronical - 25 August 2004
      Narconon banned from S.F. schools
    * NPR - 12 September 2004
      Schools Nix Drug Speeches from Scientology Group
    * San Franciso Chronical - 2 October 2004
      Church's drug program flunks San Francisco test
    * San Franciso Chronical - 23 February 2005
      Schools urged to drop antidrug program Scientology-linked teachings inaccurate, superintendent says
    * San Franciso Chronical - 27 March 2005
      [Californian] Doctors back schools dropping flawed antidrug program


Their stance on drugs alone should be reason to pause, L.Ron was wacked out on speed,for YEARS!, he wrote allot his stuff fucked up, had crazy deluions while at sea fucked up on speed and rug use is bad?

SEE. Secret Lives, L.Ron Hubbard.


Child Abuse??
Scientology: L. Ron Hubbard's Great-Grandson(FUNN and he knows the facts)
Scientology front group WISE: first hand accounts of harassment and recruiting in the workplace

Scientology exhibit won’t help the mentally ill
Scientology may be monitored in Berlin 
Revealed: how Scientologists infiltrated Britain's schools

Excerpt of Channel 4 (UK, 1997): "Secret Lives - L. Ron Hubbard"Clip 1

Excerpt of Channel 4 (UK, 1997): "Secret Lives - L. Ron Hubbard"Clip 2
UK Chan.4 Doc Secret Lives of L. Rob Hubbard Clip 3

More later, I'm a little busy :wink:

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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6449702 - 01/11/07 05:15 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

PWNT?


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6449723 - 01/11/07 05:20 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

haha you cant take those guys too seriously :smile:

arguing with the fanatic ones much like arguing with anyone who is fanatic often leads in non-sensical circles.

i havent read the whole thread but i am curious if there are any scientologist shroomerites.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #6450030 - 01/11/07 06:48 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

:grin:
Back to work.......



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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6450584 - 01/11/07 09:47 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

Oh wow.....

First, let me say that you have now created the most ridiculous strawman argument I have ever seen. It is so bad, it isnt even really in the context of what we were previously talking about.

now....

Here is a paragraph that really pwned me....

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teach young children some of its doctrine...... a method which is called "pseudoscience" by Dr. Peter Banys



How can something be dogmatic, yet pseudo-science? in the same sentence no less?
SPOOKY LANGUAGE! he labelled it with a word that has a negative connotation... its gotta be bad.... :lol:

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Narconon can not really change what they teach, it is officially carved in stone by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Scientology corporation. Hubbard, internally referred to as "Source", ruled that only he could change the doctrine of Scientology




this is just a flat out lie. They can and have changed certain things. I would go into detail, but that would require you to have a modicum of real knowledge regarding Scientology. There are certain things which L. Ron Hubbard "carved into stone" but it isnt even close to being "My word is Law".

I will be the first to agree that any religiously funded organizations should stay out of school affairs, and schools for that matter..... but what does this have to do with anything we were talking about previously?
How does a public outcry, from San Fran no less, show the scam and villanous intentions of Scientology?
If we want to let strawmen arguments fly, then remember that San Francisco allows for sex change operations to be covered under city workers healthcare plan. A move which had a loud, public outcry from a multitude of organizations and intra-state cities.
see how that works?

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On 17 June 2004 the latest news was that Superintendent Jack O'Connell of the California Department of Education, has ordered an investigation of Narconon's program in schools: "We have an obligation to inform school districts of potentially inaccurate and misleading information being distributed," O'Connell said. "We'll start following this. We can send a memo to all school districts with the flip of a switch."




Yeah, that put the nail in my coffin.... a superintendant is gonna put memos out... move over dan rather, psilocybeings is on your tail with some hard core proof that Scientology is a scam! He also has a list of organizations which have written letters to the newspaper, or have probed a satellite organization by the church of Scientology... :lol:

Now, here comes the really big proof.... the links!

Now, even if everyone just skimmed over Psilocybeingz post without clicking the links, please, please, please click on the first one titled "Child Abuse?".
Because once you stop laughing, you will realize that Psilocybeingz DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO!
It has nothing to do with Child Abuse, it actually is some sort of video claiming that a person who in in the British Media is a Scientologist, and the person had the words "Lie" at one point on the screen, followed by "Hubbard was a pedophile".... even though it had nothing to do with the clip being played.

See, this is why I feel the need to raise awareness about the widespread ignorance regarding Scientology. Psilocybeingz doesn't want to hear anything other than bad things about the church, even if it is obviously unfounded and fictional.

The next video is a guy who really digs himself... it is like a spoken word poem about L. Ron Hubbard.
This is another good video for you anyone to watch. I think it supports a good point: Scientology could very well be purely fiction. Lets say that all the help all of the Scientologists have experienced was merely placebo fluff... what is the difference between a group of people blindly believing and eating up every word of a science fiction writer, and a group of people blindly believing and eating up every word of someone with unfounded claims?
It is one thing to actually study Scientology, like an atheist would study the bible, and then blow it off as complete bullshit. But it is fairly juvenile to refuse to learn anything about the beliefs and doctrines of the religion, while exerting energy to find sources of ad hominems to further bolster your ignorant hatred of Scientology.


The third link is what psilocybeingz quoted before the links.

The fourth is an article which uses the words "Allegedly", "probably" in front of its biggest claims. But it is obvious that this person has no first hand knowledge of Scientology, and is a very big Psychiatry advocate. Which is the equivalent of the Anti-drug.com people writing a report on marijuana. Nothing but slanted journalism.

The 5th link is about a christian Democratic party, from Germany no less, whose economy is almost entirely based on Pharmaceuticals,  "keeping their eye" on Scientology.... seriously Psilocybeingz, did you do anything besides google search "Scientology sucks" and post the links?

The 6th link is about the same thing as the quoted link, but in britain... but does nothing more than claim that Scientology is probably trying to use drug awareness to proselytize.

See, most of this comes from an outrage over Narcanon telling kids that Ritalin and the like are amphetamine salts, which is one methyl group away from methamphetamines, and then going on to tell them similar amphetamines.

The 7th is a 1:30 minute video clip talking about L. Ron's son, from Xenu.net no less. Xenu.net is the number one anti-scientology propaganda manufacturer (read: made up bullshit).

the 8th and 9th links are continuations of that "story".


So, Psilocybeingz, I realize you are really busy and all, but dont get into a debate that you dont have time for. Try doing some real research on the subject, before letting other peoples words speak for you, because.... they just let you down.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6450628 - 01/11/07 10:09 PM (17 years, 21 days ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6451037 - 01/12/07 02:10 AM (17 years, 21 days ago)

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psilocyberin said:
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GnuBobo said:
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psilocyberin said:
This was one of my biggest problems with Scientology as well: the drugs issue.

But in Scientology's defense, "Therapy" is no more objective and scientific (the entire field of psychology/psychiatry for that matter) than an E-meter.

Mental Health "Science" often makes the mistake of using highly subjective things like emotions and generalized reactions as a constant. It is obvious to anyone that the term "attention span" is completely subjective, but a large portion of the world accepts it as a sound fact produced by rigorous scientific study.

If anything, Psychology is the study of the human mind within an ever expanding and changing society, which even then is impossible to nail down accurately and completely.

So I ask you as many of you sit here and scoff at "how stupid and gullible those Scieno's are" that you are no better, nor less gullible for placing belief into a pseudo-science.




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It's called real, measureable differences of natural chemicals in the brain. You can fairly accurately account for a normative level of given chemicals in your head--so you can tell if something's off. In a strictly biological assessment.




Yes, that is neurophysiology... also, there is surgical neurophysiology which doesn't require a license or certification to perform.
So, how does psychiatry and psychology accurately measure your brain chemicals by talking to you as you lay on a couch?

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Scientologists, on the other hand, believe in some seriously fucked-up construct of aliens and souls and their "prophet" was a sci-fi writer. And they make you pay for your "salvation"--essentially the same scam as indulgences were for the Catholic church.




1) what does their belief of aliens have to do with psychology?
2) Scientology has no "prophet". they dont pray to L. Ron Hubbard.... they merely acknowledge him as the founder of Scientology.
3) Almost every organized religion involves money, tithes, dues etc.... even the church of Bob.

Look, you are at a huge disadvantage here.... I know about Scientology, and psychotherapy.... you however dont know dick about shit in either of those realms.

Psych "science" has yet to even come close to proving cause and effect regarding chemicals in the brain, yet continues to go ahead and act upon it as if it were fact.
BTW, the etymology of the word Scientology is "The Study of Knowledge".... or sometimes considered "Learning how to Learn".

Also, if you were to search through the mountain of books, articles and papers written by L. Ron Hubbard, you would probably only find 5 or 6 references to Xenu or aliens. Aliens and Xenu have nothing to do, at all, with the core beliefs and doctrines of Scientology.

So, why dont you come back when you actually know something about Scientology, and then debate it with me.




Oh, Christ. I have too many demerits to get into this in this forum.


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: GnuBobo]
    #6451350 - 01/12/07 06:57 AM (17 years, 20 days ago)

if scientology wants to bring it on, ill bring it back.

with a headbutt.



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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #6452029 - 01/12/07 12:16 PM (17 years, 20 days ago)

I just don't care that you believe their shit. The DOC was made by chah.4!!!!!!! from Britain, its highly respected and has NOTHING!!! to do with Xenu.net.
Did you read any of the news articles, or LISTEN to ex-Scientology members??
Or L.Rons great grandson?? Wake the fuck up :wink:
And I guess Lisa's trust is just in it for?....well.. what exactly?? Not $$ They don't have allot, certainly not as much as Scientology.

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The 5th link is about a christian Democratic party, from Germany no less, whose economy is almost entirely based on Pharmaceuticals, "keeping their eye" on Scientology.... seriously Psilocybeingz, did you do anything besides google search "Scientology sucks" and post the links?




What the fuck? Thats your argument? Your SO WEAK. :lol:
Whatever man, believe it all you want, hey not every sheep makes it out of the meadow, enjoy your stay.

MAYBE, I will have time for this shit later. But I believe Psychology can be improved, unlike Scientology which isn't Science, its Pseudo-science bullshit.

Sorry if I have a life outside of attacking what is obviously a criminal institution.

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Because once you stop laughing, you will realize that Psilocybeingz DIDN'T EVEN WATCH THE VIDEO!
It has nothing to do with Child Abuse, it actually is some sort of video claiming that a person who in in the British Media is a Scientologist, and the person had the words "Lie" at one point on the screen, followed by "Hubbard was a pedophile".... even though it had nothing to do with the clip being played.




I found it funny, and if you KNOW the history the WORDS that pop up make sense, sorry I liked it! and I DID watch it. Your a BELIEVER good for you. Have fun with that, and give my regards to XENU :wink:

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But it is obvious that this person has no first hand knowledge of Scientology, and is a very big Psychiatry advocate. Which is the equivalent of the Anti-drug.com people writing a report on marijuana. Nothing but slanted journalism.




Right, and when Scientologists tell children not to use drugs, and join Scientology thats OK right?? Narconon is a good program correct?? Slanted?? and its OBVIOUS he has no knowledge?? and he is a Psychiatry advocate?? Sure, man.
They are coming to get you, the whole world is against you, and Scientology.

I have plenty of problems with Psychology, and even more with the Phrarm-corps. But you are just fucking crazy, no offence, but open your fucking eyes and see Scientology for what it really is, an exploitve INDUSTRY, that takes peoples money.... makes them PAY to ascended through the levels. And has NO SCIECNE to it, at all. Other then the fact it was made up by a man that wrote SCI-Fiction, treated people like crap, had numerous psychological problems himself, and told people not to do drugs while he was whacked out on speed.

But EX-Scienctologists work for the  psychologists right? L.Rons first test, his first "clear" did well right?? And Scientology has proven benefits right??
Why are so many people in his family against him??
Did you know he pretty much said, the real way to make some money, is to start a religion, and then did just that? I think I figured out why you are so blind.
Your a Scientologist!! :lol: ............. maybe :smile:

EVIDENCE for SCIENTOLOGY'S claims PLEASE :laugh:???????
WELL DO YOU HAVE ANY????? From an independent source??? ANY PROOF??



EVERYONE PLEASE SEE
SECRET LIVES: L.Ron Hubbard. MADE BY CHAN.4 (yes its a doc, not a hit piece)
CHAN.4 does lots of good docs. I saw one about the US prison industry a week ago, get your facts straight before you attack sources.
Its really sad. Your arguments are so weak, that I have trouble figuring out what to respond to, cause you didn't really prove anything by tossing your opinions all over articles, docs, ex-scentology members, and Hubbards decedents. Your a fool. IMO.

I have a life to live, regardless of XENU :wink:
Gotta go, I might pop in again after you post some more opinion, but PLEASE, some PROOF of ANY CLAIM SCIENTOLOGY MAKES PLEASE, SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT PROVES ANYTHING THEY SAY, SHOW ME PEOPLE "CURED" OF THEIR PROBLEMS. PLEASE :laugh:

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Psilocybeing


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Re: Talking with scientologists about drugs. [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #6452550 - 01/12/07 03:07 PM (17 years, 20 days ago)

jesus...... how can I show proof against something which has absolutely no truth to it?
Nothing you have stated (as your opinion no less) has had any shred of truth to it, it is merely your unfounded opinion, or the regurgitation of other peoples opinions.

Many people in L. Rons family were quite pissed off to find out that all of their inheretance had gone to Scientology and not them.... so understandably they could be pissed.

Also.... Scientology doesn't claim to be a science...

see this is what I am talking about, you make claims, which you think are solid fact, and then expect me to disprove them? how can i do that when you only offer opinions or other peoples opinions, which I personally know to be delusions born from ignorance of the subject?

Do you realize that you have yet to actually bring up anything about the churchs beliefs or framework? Do you realize that your entire argument has been to attack L. Ron Hubbard. It is like saying Pope Benedict was a member of the nazi party, so all of catholocism is pure bullshit.
Catholocism could very well be pure bullshit, but attack a pope doesn't prove your point.

Maybe if you offered something more than ad hominems and strawmen arguments, I could offer proof, but until then I am stuck showing hopw ignorant you are regarding this matter.


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