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If you are in a bad state or depressed
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Stop taking drugs. They are just going to prolong your confusion and suffering.  :confused:  :heart:


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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ya, just take a break for awhile, let the body clear


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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The answer to most of the topics in this forum has to do with taking to much drugs. They are illegal for reasons...... Not just because the government is mean. But there is some valid reasoning.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Depends on what drug. Each mind is different and reacts differently. Some can have good effects. I like it when out of nowhere things start warping. Some drugs are really bad, others not. Theres never such a thing as too much weed (not that i consider that a drug, but others like people who've never smoked it and are against it do.)


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: metalhead10830]
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Naw mate, it depends on how much you take, with anything. If it becomes a daily or even a few times a week situation, you are developing a habit. Creatures of habit are the ones that get cought.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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true


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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I would agree with you CerebralFlower. I can go so long on a while on a pot binge (every day for so many days) before it starts to wear at me. If I give it up for a week or two, I seem to get back to normal.. but that's obvious right?

Corporal, I have to agree with you when you say that there are reasons that pot, or any drug, is illegal. It can really screw someone up.. being psychoactive and all. I know I've hit some pretty depressing times (nothing suicidal, but very low nonetheless) because of marijuana. Marijuana itself may not be a bad thing, but when the substance is abused and not treated with the proper respect, which from what I have seen is often, bad things can happen.


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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I have dealt with depression in the past, and when I was smoking habitually (near everyday) it was a real low point. Stopped smoking for a few months and it really cleared things up.

Seems to me that mushrooms, and probably other powerful hallucinogens can help you to deal with your issues though by bringing them upfront for you to see. Still, one has to be careful with any chemical they are putting into their body, and anything can be habit forming if you let it.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
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Corporal Kielbasa said:
The answer to most of the topics in this forum has to do with taking to much drugs.  They are illegal for reasons......  Not just because the government is mean.  But there is some valid reasoning reasoning behind the illegalization. They don't TELL you the reasons. THey say they are physicaly dangerous. But in reality ALL drugs are dangerous mentally and they would benefit by spreading this info. They are not 100% safe. They are 100% risky mentally. That shit can and will mess with your head. I'm glad to see a fellow shroomerite (I'm not kidding..I love shroomery agreement) seeing how I see. They are illegal for a reason but they don't tell us that reason and it's bullshit.

But you know what's sad? I'm gonna go get drunk and high? I know it's bad but I don't care in the least. Youth I guess...


:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :eek: :eek:


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: freddurgan]
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I stopped all drugs about 6 months ago. My life then spiralled out of control and my depression / anxiety got much worse. I lost my job, I lost my car, I lost my will to live.

I've spent the past few months waiting to die.


I need to get back on drugs as soon as possible.  :shake:


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: WakeboardrB]
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Well you have to have a balance wakeboarder. If drugs are helping you then dont stop them. If your life is in complete ruin, then taking a break from drugs would be advisable. If you are going through a really hard point in life, sometimes drugs just prolong that point.
"When the windows all are broken
and your love's become a toothless crone,
when the voices of the storm sound like a crowd,
winter morning breaks;
you're all alone. "
Especially excess drug use.. its terrible for a relationship (unless maybe you two do it together and dont have any problems..)

Corpus, life is habitual. Humans are ALL creatures of habit. Maybe one day you will notice. You say, i know its sad..., yet you try to refute my point.
Metal_head- there is such a thing as too much anything. You are young, but you may see someday. And a drug is anything that effects your mind chemistry, sugar, coffee, pot..
I dont think the reasons youre thinking of are the reasons drugs are illegal. Alacahol, which is worse than most drugs, is legal. Where is the reasoning? With the government its about control, not letting us see were being controlled, and 2nd not letting us learn to break that control. Nothing should be illegal. In Holland, where that is the case, there is actully LESS drug use. Well.. you may not listen now but one day, you might have wished you did..

I am not saying drugs are bad, or that they cant help us. Obviously they have helped a great deal of us in many unimaginable ways, but there comes a point, where it does more harm than it does good, and that point is very hard to see.


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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People have problems without drugs...its true.

Not trying to be a dick, but not everyone here does drugs, and those who do, are not doing them all the time either.


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: tak]
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wtf is wrong with me then? i've been clean for 4 months and some change. ugh.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: allie06]
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I dont know whats wrong with you, do you want to give us some details?
ninja, thats not true. alot of users here do drugs ALL the time.
Im not saying thast nessicarily a bad thing, but if you have problems it doesnt allow you to focus on them sometimes


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Does it all even matter anyway? If you depressed or in a bad mood its most likely your fault and you have total responsibility over yourself. Some people take drugs to make them feel better, thats fine. Some people meditate, there is no one right way. I go out and hang out with friends to change my state. I suggest find the reason why your depressed, is it a family issue, are you lonely, what is it? Then go work on it, its your life its your world, its your responsibility to change yourself and not blame drugs people or whatever for the cause. Im sure people on drugs can make a big difference just as much as people without drugs.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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Marijuana is a much better antidepressant than most real antidepressants. If you're in a suicidal state, stopping soft drugs may be the worst thing you could do temporarily, as it only makes you even more hateful of all of existence.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Ravus]
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Ravus said:
Marijuana is a much better antidepressant than most real antidepressants. If you're in a suicidal state, stopping soft drugs may be the worst thing you could do temporarily, as it only makes you even more hateful of all of existence.

I agree; there are times when cannabis has gotten me grounded again and made me feel the great joy of existence. LSD, too, has helped me more than I would ever have thought possible when I was in dire straits and psychologically fragile. The keys are set and setting, set and setting, set and setting......


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: Lion]
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bug said:
Ravus said:
Marijuana is a much better antidepressant than most real antidepressants. If you're in a suicidal state, stopping soft drugs may be the worst thing you could do temporarily, as it only makes you even more hateful of all of existence.

I agree; there are times when cannabis has gotten me grounded again and made me feel the great joy of existence.  LSD, too, has helped me more than I would ever have thought  possible when I was in dire straits and psychologically fragile.  The keys are set and setting, set and setting, set and setting......


yes you guys, i agree. pot has made me feel grounded before too, but only because im so used to it.
Paksoul- no man its not fine. taking drugs is just a temporary fix if your taking them to make yourself feel better, cause you dont LEARN anything, its just a chemical state of happiness, and when you come down, then its back to square one. You need to be guided. Taking drugs to analyze yourself, to guide you and to learn from =  :thumbup:. But after SO many times, one can lose sight of that self analysis that comes from seeing yourself from a different state of view that YOURE NOT USED TO.
But taking drugs to make you happy = not good. When you come down your no better than before. Its only a temporary fix. You need to be happy on your own, then the high is twice as good.
Drugs can help us, to an extent, but if we beceome depdendent on them, they prolong our happiness.
"Shortcuts are self-defeating means"
Dont get me wrong, drugs have helped me IMMENSLY, probably more than most of you, or equally to those of you who are really guided and spiritual, but there is a point where they begin to prolong our suffering and not let us see clearly in a way.


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God says dance with your heart
And shake free of you desire

Where theres a will theres always a way
When you get confused listen to the music play


Edited by CerebralFlower (01/03/07 01:16 AM)

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: CerebralFlower]
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I was very depressed a couple of years ago, I started smoking pot, and my desire to die left me, permanently. I was also eventually placed on Zoloft, for about 6 months. I've been off of Zoloft for over a year now. Over the past year I have delved into the psychedelic world, and I have found my experiences have drawn me closer to many aspects of Buddhism.

Now my interest in Buddhism, and the things I have learned in self examination have aroused a desire in me to stop using drugs habitually (smoking pot), and only to use them as medicine. Though I don't feel it is absolutely necessary to NEVER use drugs, I do find habitual drug use to be a hindrance, which ultimately brings suffering. I find my attachment to marijuana to be a source of suffering, though it does bring short-lived pleasure. I

It seems to me though, that if a drug such as marijuana is something that can bring you peace, without great harm, its ok to be used, as long as you search for peace in yourself as well, and ultimately sever any attachments you have to any drugs, or things for the matter.

Basically, its ok to use drugs, its not wise to let yourself become attached to any of them or the experiences they may arouse.


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All I know is that I dont know.

Row, row, row, you boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.

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Re: If you are in a bad state or depressed [Re: badreligion2good]
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It can be a temporary crutch, but for people who'd rather not go on antidepressants or other pharmaceuticals to help raise them out of their foggy depression, it's definitely a useful one. Marijuana doesn't seem to just be a temporary fix of happiness, but rather it helps ease my mind even when I'm not stoned, as for days after I'll usually feel more relaxed and open to enjoying life than before.

After all, antidepressants, anti-anxiety drugs and all the other methods used by psychiatrists in the modern world aren't really any different than smoking pot to attain the same results, except pot usually has much less side effects and is much less addictive. I know that if I got stuck in a seemingly permanent depression, as has happened before, I'd choose to use pot to help the issue than antidepressants anyday.

Anything is a crutch until you grow strong enough to thrive without it. Most people have yet to reach this point, and I don't criticize them for that. After all, it takes time to become completely self-reliant, and if all you want to do is smoke a joint and trip occasionally in the meantime, that may help you get there faster than just walking around like a hopeless zombie.


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